Flouride
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Do you all believe Flouride is in our drinking water? Is it really dangerous? How do those who believe it is dangerous brush their teeth? What is used in place of flouride? I assume these folks dont visit the dentist either.
Whats the reasoning behind the flouride is dangerous idea?
Whats the reasoning behind the flouride is dangerous idea?
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i don't know much about it but found this (at ats.com)
so the state with the lowest fluoride count also has the lowest cancer rate in the country.
but geography or any number of factors could be involved, its hard to say. some interesting numbers.
but these are just a few states that happened to fit the theory. some states are way up on fluoride and way down on cancer, and vice versa.
makes you wonder though.
http://ekoscommunications.com/node/125
Actually, I just found it.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... paste.aspx
But using the cancer stats of states and trying to make a correlation to fluoride percentages is a joke...
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Yeah, correlation definitely doesn't mean causation. Still, like you, I do not like having it in drinking water either.
I can no longer allow this conspiracy to pollute our precious bodily fluids!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47wZkFmSGVw
but.
apparently fluoride is used in mustard gas. what a wonderful thing to put in our water.
and IF "they" were looking for a way to put a substance into as many people as possible, the water supply would be the ideal place to start. and i wouldn't put it past them to do something like that.
sounds like a add or adhd.
more here
http://www.fluorideresearch.org/
I originally posted these in the 'water' thread, re posting them here in the dedicated 'Fluoride' thread.
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I use Non Fluoride Toothpaste, http://www.tomsofmaine.com/home currently using that brand.
Personally, I don't really eat/drink many foods/liquids that are bad for my teeth, like pop, candy and whatever else.
and of course Some foods and liquids are good for our teeth, like some tea's for example. So it's not just about the brushing, but rather what we are also consuming overall throughout the day that affects our teeth (positively or negatively) in between our daily cleanings.
Water Fluoridation is a crime against humanity, they say "It's in the water because it's good for our teeth"...seriously, do people really think our governments care about our teeth?
I (couple posts above) posted a link to the documentary 'The Fluoride Deception', it's a good start for anyone interested.
It's really a serious issue, spreading accurate information on the dangers of 'Fluoride' is important. Then we take what we know to our local governments and fight the good fight. Spread the word.
Sadly They still pump Fluoride in Our water over here in Toronto. I've recently made the full switch away from drinking the tap water etc. I'm using reverse osmosis water, but that has a negative also. Mainly you lose all the good minerals our body needs. So I've been trying to make the proper adjustments for that.
Google Search: "Is Fluoride Good For Your Teeth?"
Result clicked: "Fluoride And Your Teeth"
... looks promising ...
http://www.colgate.com/app/CP/US/EN/OC/ ... Teeth.cvsp
Oh. Its an article by Colgate?
Of course. Oh well, keep reading.
Could have some valid information, right?
Reading article ...
"The loss of enamel is balanced by remineralization. In this process, minerals in the saliva, such as fluoride, calcium and phosphate"
... oh shit,
fluoride is naturally occurring in saliva?
That gives weight to the pro-fluoride claims i guess ...
google search: "fluoride in saliva"
LOTS of results found ... ALL are studies talking about fluoride levels in saliva AFTER using fluoride rinse or toothpaste with fluoride.
Hmm. Head scratch.
See the term "systemic fluoride" in scientific paper.
Google search "systemic fluoride"
This must be the naturally occurring stuff, right?
Result clicked:
http://www.sharecare.com/question/what- ... c-fluoride
"Dr. De Vizio DMD of Colgate answered:
Systemic fluoride is a phrase used to describe fluoride that is ingested by mouth usually through a community's drinking water or supplements."
... ???
So some Dr. from Colgate just answered on an unaffiliated answers site that "systemic fluoride" is really just fluoride in your saliva BECAUSE of fluoride INJESTED previously from the fluoridated water supply?
COLGATE!
you give us false reassurance on your website regarding the saftey of fluoride by indirectly\subliminally proposing that fluoride just happens to BE in the saliva ... but then on another webpage your own damn doctor blows a hole in that suggestion!
So,
what else can i find PRO-fluoride?
TO WIKIPEDIA WE GO!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation
"Water fluoridation prevents cavities in both children and adults,[9]"
Oh. source 9 looks good ...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19772843 (source 9)
reading abstract ...
let's see here ... conclusions ? merits of study ... hmm ...
"This was to present a summary of the evidence from systematic reviews of the effectiveness and safety of water fluoridation."
OK. so they are going to rely on "systematic reviews" of other studies to indicate effectiveness\safety of fluoride. Should be good if they are good reviews with good studies.
Let's keep reading.
"3 systematic reviews and 3 guidelines were included in this review. While the reviews themselves were of good methodological quality, the studies included in the reviews were generally of moderate to low quality."
So the wikipedia assertion that fluoride is good is based on a review of 3 reviews that themselves were comprised ENTIRELY (and oddly enough, ADMITTEDLY) of medium-to-LOW QUALITY STUDIES?
jesus.
this is impossible.
I give up.
time for breakfast.
Yep.
That just happened this morning.
And now off to "brunch" w the folks & GF. lol
If I opened it now would you not understand?
i use dr. ken's toothpaste ... it doesn't have flouride ... i had my annual checkup and cleaning last week and dentist told me that my teeth are in general better shape than most of his clients and to keep what i'm doing which is basically brush my teeth and floss ...
i know we have fluoride in our drinking water ... would prefer it wasn't there ...
Why is it in our water in the first place? and where does that Fluoride come from? I personally feel that those are Important questions, and when the answers are looked at and understood. For me anyway, it makes me feel uneasy.
Goes back to the 40's, when it started being added to water, and it was/is coming from waste. The Fluoride in our water, is a poison. It's not even pharmaceutical grade.
Our Food is made with that water, we drink it, shower in it. Our Veggies grow with it. It's sad, and disgusting.
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It's not just about avoiding it the best we can. It's about the governments/corporations/groupS etc adding it to our water, without a referendum etc. So tracing back the 'why'...to my mind Is important. It's beyond just avoidance for me.
It is, they own a majority stake.
I've seen DrKen's paste, never tried it. You say it's solid? I'll give it a shot. I've been happy with the result's I've been getting with Toms brand, but like to change things around every now and then.
Sounds like a good morning
you have to use a bit more than normal ... it's crazy actually - when i'm away or somewhere and i use a major brand - it's like you need just a tiny bit of that and your mouth is full of suds ... with the dr. kens you need to use a bit more ... i think the key to teeth is really flossing so, just brushing with baking soda would probably do it ...
yea dude and mixed with Hydrogen peroxide it's apparently even better...For thousands of years people have used different natural way's to keep teeth and gums healthy.
I wonder if hemp works well for flossing?? :eh:
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'Xylitol' is good for teeth, it's also sometimes used in natural toothpastes,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylitol
http://www.xylitol.org/dental-benefits-of-xylitol
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"It's been building up for a couple of years," Limeback told me during a recent telephone interview. "But certainly the crowning blow was the realization that we have been dumping contaminated fluoride into water reservoirs for half a century. The vast majority of all fluoride additives come from Tampa Bay, Florida, smokestack scrubbers.
The additives are a toxic byproduct of the super-phosphate fertilizer industry.""Tragically," he continued, "that means we're not just dumping toxic fluoride into our drinking water. We're also exposing innocent, unsuspecting people to deadly elements of lead, arsenic and radium, all of them carcinogenic. Because of the cumulative properties of toxins, the detrimental effects on human health are catastrophic."
Dr Hardy Limeback, University Of Toronto.
http://www.utoronto.ca/dentistry/facultyresearch/facultyprofiles/limeback.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardy_Limeback
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fluoride-expert.htm
Mar 1, 2012
The much debated fluoride issue is now on the collective lap of Windsor's city councillors.
After two hours spent listening to 11 delegations Wednesday night, the Windsor Utilities Commission passed a motion recommending the city stop adding fluoride to drinking water.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/story/2012/03/01/wdr-windsor-fuloride-removed.html
Ayesha Drouillard is a concerned parent and a member of Fluoride Free Windsor. She said the utilities commission made a good decision.
"Finally, this issue, that's so important and affects every single person daily, is finally getting some much deserved attention. I don't think we need to be adding any kind of bio-accumulative toxin that affects us in a negative way just because it supposedly benefits our teeth," she said.
Some dentists and Dr. Allen Heimann, the medical officer of health, spoke in fluoride's defence. Heimann remains firm in his belief that fluoride should stay in the water.
These Links below have some stats and information regarding cancer/factors/trends etc, if interested.
http://www.cancer.gov/
http://www.cancer.gov/statistics/ http://statecancerprofiles.cancer.gov/recenttrend/recenttrend.html
That's right about Utah. Remember when that major anti smoking campaign in the 90's came around? That's apparently when the rates started to get lower in Utah and interestingly enough I think it went up in some other parts of the US with the same anti smoking campaign.
They said I had 4 cavities. I thought WTF that can not be right.
I became suspicious, and went to another dentist.
Zero cavities.
DO NOT GO TO ASPEN DENTAL !!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:
Pros and Cons of Fluoride
Higher on the priority list? It should all be = in concern. Also the dangers of Fluoride and whats in our tap water is not as well known to the general public as the dangers of high salt/sugar/additives and/or whatever else.
Anyway we get into Where does the fluoride come from? Whats really in the water? And why?
They are putting toxic waste/chemicals in our water. To not have this issue on the priority list is just silly.
So its in the tap water, which means its in our foods, many crops etc, so we are not just getting small amounts. Then we shower in it, clean ourselves...all with the same chemical water. Tainted water.