Ohio school shooter likely tried as an adult

Indifference · March 2012

So if convicted he gets out in less than 4 years (21) - that just doesn't seem right.

lukin2006 · March 2012

So what should be done with him? Lock him up for life? Mental Institution? Prison with intense therapy and released when a panel of psychiatrist say he is no longer harmful to society? Just curious as to what people seriously think should be done. I know here in Canada he would not serve life in prison...more likely 10 years with therapy. Of course with the new regime running things that could change. But it seems this kid had the odds stacked against him...no excuse for what was done...but really what do you do with him? In cases like this do they investigate his background? Do they look to see if he was asking for help? If there was obvious signs? Or did he just snap?

I do know this the USA has way to many guns and it's to easy to get them.

lukin2006 · March 2012

Godfather. wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/01/mother-launches-facebook-campaign-against-teen-moving-in-with-former-teacher/?test=latestnews

this is what I was getting at as far as youth thinking and frame of mimnd ^^^
this young gal (18)really thinks she is in love with a man over twice her age, Im not trying to justify the shooting and killing this young kid did I'm just saying that at that age they're thinking isen't really always ...spot on, especially with the childhood this young man had.

Godfather.

That's kind of messed up...but teenagers can and are impressionable...us older adults must know that and establish boundaries. The teacher here is wrong in this case. Unfortunately many people involved are being hurt by his actions.

oona left · March 2012

lukin2006 wrote:

So what should be done with him? Lock him up for life? Mental Institution? Prison with intense therapy and released when a panel of psychiatrist say he is no longer harmful to society? Just curious as to what people seriously think should be done. I know here in Canada he would not serve life in prison...more likely 10 years with therapy. Of course with the new regime running things that could change. But it seems this kid had the odds stacked against him...no excuse for what was done...but really what do you do with him? In cases like this do they investigate his background? Do they look to see if he was asking for help? If there was obvious signs? Or did he just snap?

I do know this the USA has way to many guns and it's to easy to get them.

That's an excellent question: What should be done?

It brings up another: What is the main purpose of the sentence: to punish, or to rehabilitate?

If it is to punish, then life in prison is not too extreme for a crime of this nature (in my opinion). On the other hand, if the purpose is to rehabilitate, then 10 years with psychiatric treatment could lead to this individual being declared fit for release.

So, what is the purpose of putting him away: To make him "pay" for what he has done, or to help him?

LikeAnOcean · March 2012

I would say 13+ should be tried as an adult for such a crime.

LikeAnOcean · March 2012

lukin2006 wrote:

So what should be done with him? Lock him up for life? Mental Institution? Prison with intense therapy and released when a panel of psychiatrist say he is no longer harmful to society? Just curious as to what people seriously think should be done. I know here in Canada he would not serve life in prison...more likely 10 years with therapy. Of course with the new regime running things that could change. But it seems this kid had the odds stacked against him...no excuse for what was done...but really what do you do with him? In cases like this do they investigate his background? Do they look to see if he was asking for help? If there was obvious signs? Or did he just snap?

I do know this the USA has way to many guns and it's to easy to get them.

There's no place in society for him, ever. That's my opinion.

Would you want him released eventually and living next door to you?

Either keep him in jail, kill him, or send him to an island somewhere. A human capable of killing without remorse can do it again.

I have this opinion with any human who even physically harms another human. Chris Brown should be rotting in jail. IMO.

Bronx Bombers · March 2013

CHARDON, Ohio (AP) — Wearing a T-shirt with "killer" scrawled across it, a teenager cursed and gestured obscenely as he was given three life sentences Tuesday for shooting to death three students in an Ohio high school cafeteria.

T.J. Lane, 18, had pleaded guilty last month to shooting at students in February 2012 at Chardon High School, east of Cleveland. Investigators have said he admitted to the shooting but said he didn't know why he did it.

Before the case went to adult court last year, a juvenile court judge ruled that Lane was mentally competent to stand trial despite evidence he suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies.

Lane was defiant during the sentencing, smiling and smirking throughout, including while four relatives of victims spoke.

After he came in, he calmly unbuttoned his blue dress shirt to reveal the T-shirt reading "killer," which the prosecutor noted was similar to one he wore during the shooting.

At one point, he swiveled around in his chair toward the gallery where his own family members and those of the slain teenagers were sitting and spoke suddenly, surprising even his lawyer.

"The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory," he said, then cursed at and raised his middle finger toward the victims' relatives.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb ... 07540.html

Anyone still feeling sorry for this piece of shit :corn:

hedonist · March 2013

Bronx Bombers wrote:

CHARDON, Ohio (AP) — Wearing a T-shirt with "killer" scrawled across it, a teenager cursed and gestured obscenely as he was given three life sentences Tuesday for shooting to death three students in an Ohio high school cafeteria.

T.J. Lane, 18, had pleaded guilty last month to shooting at students in February 2012 at Chardon High School, east of Cleveland. Investigators have said he admitted to the shooting but said he didn't know why he did it.

Before the case went to adult court last year, a juvenile court judge ruled that Lane was mentally competent to stand trial despite evidence he suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies.

Lane was defiant during the sentencing, smiling and smirking throughout, including while four relatives of victims spoke.

After he came in, he calmly unbuttoned his blue dress shirt to reveal the T-shirt reading "killer," which the prosecutor noted was similar to one he wore during the shooting.

At one point, he swiveled around in his chair toward the gallery where his own family members and those of the slain teenagers were sitting and spoke suddenly, surprising even his lawyer.

"The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory," he said, then cursed at and raised his middle finger toward the victims' relatives.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb ... 07540.html

Anyone still feeling sorry for this piece of shit :corn:

Ugh. I actually got a bit queasy when I read this earlier.

pandora · March 2013

He's angrier now than when he killed ...
somehow that makes sense to me. Hope he is on meds and never escapes.

Bronx Bombers · March 2013

pandora wrote:

He's angrier now than when he killed ...
somehow that makes sense to me. Hope he is on meds and never escapes.

Meds aren't going to help him when he gets released into the general population, he's going to wish he put a bullet in his head when he had the chance.

pandora · March 2013

I don't pretend to know anything about general population but what I see on TV dramas.
I haven't watched any docs or read up on the hierarchy.

I watched this young man on the news a few times yesterday. Pretty easy to see the facade
and the wall he has put up. Maybe that wall will come down crashing when he is humbled
in prison, maybe not.

Please don't mistake this as sympathy or even compassion just trying to understand.
He is his parents and the product of a child without loving bonds. His anger comes
from self hate and hate towards the world who he perceives as thinking
he was never good enough.
Jealous of the loving parents and good life he thinks his victims had.

I guess there was no help for him when it was needed, and no help in prison besides perhaps
finding forgiveness in the hands of God.

This I pray for him to turn his heart from cold to gold.
He can still do good. He has his whole life to live by his heart.

stuckinline · March 2013

Lane was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murders of three Chardon High students last February. Daniel Parmertor and Demetrius Hewlin, both 16, and Russell King Jr., 17, were killed in the shooting.

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_ ... sentencing

Jason P · March 2013

The guy that beat Jeffery Dahmer to death with a broom stick ... what's he up to nowadays? I think I found the perfect bunk mate for him ...

:evil:

redrock · March 2013

Guess he could always appeal on the basis that his brain is not fully formed and he did not really understand all the consequences -when he killed, when he pleaded guilty, his attitude.... Seems to be the thing to do...

MotoDC · March 2013

Bronx Bombers wrote:

CHARDON, Ohio (AP) — Wearing a T-shirt with "killer" scrawled across it, a teenager cursed and gestured obscenely as he was given three life sentences Tuesday for shooting to death three students in an Ohio high school cafeteria.

T.J. Lane, 18, had pleaded guilty last month to shooting at students in February 2012 at Chardon High School, east of Cleveland. Investigators have said he admitted to the shooting but said he didn't know why he did it.

Before the case went to adult court last year, a juvenile court judge ruled that Lane was mentally competent to stand trial despite evidence he suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies.

Lane was defiant during the sentencing, smiling and smirking throughout, including while four relatives of victims spoke.

After he came in, he calmly unbuttoned his blue dress shirt to reveal the T-shirt reading "killer," which the prosecutor noted was similar to one he wore during the shooting.

At one point, he swiveled around in his chair toward the gallery where his own family members and those of the slain teenagers were sitting and spoke suddenly, surprising even his lawyer.

"The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory," he said, then cursed at and raised his middle finger toward the victims' relatives.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb ... 07540.html

Anyone still feeling sorry for this piece of shit :corn:

Empathy/sympathy not really my strongsuit, but honestly reading this insanity does make me wonder whether he was fit to stand trial. Unless it was just an act in hopes of getting a last minute insanity plea? I'm clearly no lawyer.

pandora · March 2013

Yeah, the fully developed brain defense won't work for him nor those Ohio rapists,
kind of gives the premise a bad name when in real life in real teens making choices
it is real plausible.

even flow - question mark · March 2013

Funny how i got through school, which would mean i ran across a lot of friends and names from that time. Plus playing sports while growing up, probably ran across 10,000 or more different people. Not much for a general population, but I don't recall our under devleoped brains making us rape or kill anybody. Some people are just fucked up whether their brains are developed or not.

The fact this kid had that shirt on under his other one with killer on it and then gave the finger. Drama queen who knows his days of exposure are at an end. Have fun learning how to go to the bathroom without muscle control, buddddddd-e!

josevolution · March 2013

All these cases do is make me so sad about the state of our youth in this country , the kids that were killed any of'em could of been my kid , the killer could of been my kid ....My son is 19 and i see when hi's going thru shit i have to be by hi's side so he can vent to me , i can't read the news anymore .....I will never say my kid could never do something like this ......

know1 · March 2013

Godfather. wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/01/justice/ohio-school-shooting/index.html?hpt=ju_c1

any thoughts ? he is probably 16 or 17.

Godfather.

My thoughts are that you don't try someone as an adult unless they are an adult.

It seems as if the only criteria that affects whether kids are tried as adults is the severity of the crime.

If you wouldn't try them as an adult for shoplifting, you shouldn't for murder.

Ohio school shooter likely tried as an adult

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