Ohio school shooter likely tried as an adult
Godfather.
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/01/justice/o ... ?hpt=ju_c1
any thoughts ? he is probably 16 or 17.
Godfather.
any thoughts ? he is probably 16 or 17.
Godfather.
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And I'm sorry (somewhat) for chuckling at your last comment.
in the eyes of the law, this kid is an adult.
he premeditated shooting up that cafeteria. he is gonna get convicted on 3 murder counts as an adult.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
From the link above:
The Plain Dealer newspaper in Cleveland reported that his parents had both been charged with domestic violence against each other. His father also served prison time for assaulting a police officer and was charged with holding a different woman under running water and bashing her head into a wall, the newspaper reported.
Geez... you gotta wonder if this kid ever had a chance to get through life without being involved in something bad...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
doomed from the start,what a shame.
Godfather.
family of origin can be a motherfucker sometimes.
this kid was dealt a shitty hand the day he was born.
most of us do not realize how lucky we are if we come from stable and functional families. we take it for granted sometimes.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
so true man.
Godfather.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/01/deadline-looms-for-charges-in-ohio-high-school-shooting/
For me, to my mind...This is a telling sign of society, a failure on many levels, at home, at school. The entire system.
Godfather, if you took this child into your care when he was in infant, sure perhaps he would still end up doing the same thing? Maybe he's genetically predisposed to do this?
For all we know, if this kid held off a couple more years, maybe he would've joined the military been sent to Afghanistan and in that setting he would kill, maybe slaughter an entire village? But of course, then we would not call him a killer, we refer to him as a "Hero".
Yea JasonP 17 is old enough to know that it's bad to kill a bunch of random human beings...Unless it's by some order and you are trained to do the killing.
This kid had a hard upbringing, like many people, but unlike many people, he acted out, by directly killing people.
At 15 he was charged with assaulting another student, the assault? He put a kid in a head lock and punched him. I personally wonder why he did that. Was he walking one day, saw some kid and did that to him?
What age is an adult? 17? 16? 24? What makes someone an adult? Pubes? Patience?
I'm guessing that's just the preliminary charges. They had to charge him by this afternoon, there can always be charges added, or efforts to try him as an adult.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Godfather.
I don't know if a report of a previous fight is a big deal. I imagine most of us were in a scrap or two before getting out of high school.
And this shooting did not occur in a theater of war. I know that may not satisfy you, but it's one of the oddities of the human society that has evolved over thousands of years.
- It wasn't that long ago in our nation's history that a 16yr old was considered an adult for mostly all matters (except voting). Nowadays, we have a very protectionist view of "children" and in many respects it does more harm than good. Perhaps it has to do with the life expectancy or something but mostly, these type of cultural meme's are made up by some arbitrary law or guideline and just applied to other areas of focus and then legitimized as such for the rest of society.
- In the US by statistics alone comparing the number of people to guns, almost 1 of every 2 people would have a gun. Considering how large a ratio that is, it's very surprising we don't see more shootings and people going around doing such things.
- In situations like these, people usually become very polar in their opinions about gun control or similar. I usually view these things as two fold - 1 - It's a sign of parenting or lack their of. 2 - It's a failure of society to not have recognized this person in need of help for health (mental and other) issues. For things to get to this level or step, a lot of overlooking and ignoring of problems had to be going on and sadly this is how we find out. It's usually not common for a person to just wake up one day and do such a thing.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
( no excuse for shooting ) but clearly has mental issues.
He father served prison time for trying to kill his mother. I'm sure the list goes on....
I hope he is tried as an adult.
3 students were shot and killed.
He longed for only one thing, the world to bow at his feet.
They too should feel his secret fear. The dismal drear.
His pain had made him sincere.
He was better than the rest,
all those ones he detests,
within their castles, so vain. Selfish and conceited.
They couldn’t care less about the peasants they mistreated.
The world is a sandbox for all the wretched sinners.
They simply create what they want and make themselves the winners.
But the true winner, he has nothing at all.
Enduring the pain of waiting for that castle to fall.
Through his good deeds,
the rats and the fleas.
He will have for what he pleads,
through the eradication of disease.
So, to the castle he proceeds,
like an ominous breeze through the trees.
- TJ Lane, Relentlessly Bullied Teen,
Facebook post prior to shooting
Lane was described as a "good kid" with "impressive grades", who was "doubling up" on classes to graduate early. A fellow student who made extra effort to get to know him says that he was obviously greatly pained by his family life, which he would never mention in conversation, and that she says she knows first hand of the constant bullying and verbal abuse which Lane took by classmates who would make fun of his hair cut, the clothes he wore, and the fact that he was a quiet person. She said that he was genuinely likable and kind; she also said that he never responded to the bullying except by "being quiet" when harassed.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
You left out the second half... it turns very dark and violent...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -lane.html
"Stay back!" The Guards screamed as they were thrown to their knees.
"Oh God, have mercy, please!"
The castle, she gasped and then so imprisoned her breath,
to the shallow confines of her fragile chest.
I'm on the lamb but I ain't no sheep.
I am Death.
And you have always been the sod.
So repulsive and so odd.
You never even deserved the presence of God, and yet, I am here.
Around your cradle I plod.
Came on foot, without shod.
How improper, how rude.
However, they shall not mind the mud on my feet if there is blood on your sheet.
Now! Feel death, not just mocking you.
Not just stalking you but inside of you.
Wriggle and writhe.
Feel smaller beneath my might.
Seizure in the Pestilence that is my scythe.
Die, all of you.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
this is what I was getting at as far as youth thinking and frame of mimnd ^^^
this young gal (18)really thinks she is in love with a man over twice her age, Im not trying to justify the shooting and killing this young kid did I'm just saying that at that age they're thinking isen't really always ...spot on, especially with the childhood this young man had.
Godfather.
It is full tilt action without forethought driven by basic emotions and recklessness.
For me personally, after raising teens, my own and other parent's kids,
I do not consider them an adult until that age.
And boy do I see a difference in my young people now!
I think we need laws for that in between time 13 to say 23
that would provide punishment, direction and mental and family help.
Not just say they committed an adult crime so that makes
them an adult....
cause it certainly does not.
This boy is a victim also in my eyes, being bullied, being taught violence solves
problems, and now if he is tried as an adult, thrown in prison for life, he is
a victim of the system.
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I do know this the USA has way to many guns and it's to easy to get them.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
That's kind of messed up...but teenagers can and are impressionable...us older adults must know that and establish boundaries. The teacher here is wrong in this case. Unfortunately many people involved are being hurt by his actions.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
That's an excellent question: What should be done?
It brings up another: What is the main purpose of the sentence: to punish, or to rehabilitate?
If it is to punish, then life in prison is not too extreme for a crime of this nature (in my opinion). On the other hand, if the purpose is to rehabilitate, then 10 years with psychiatric treatment could lead to this individual being declared fit for release.
So, what is the purpose of putting him away: To make him "pay" for what he has done, or to help him?
Would you want him released eventually and living next door to you?
Either keep him in jail, kill him, or send him to an island somewhere. A human capable of killing without remorse can do it again.
I have this opinion with any human who even physically harms another human. Chris Brown should be rotting in jail. IMO.
T.J. Lane, 18, had pleaded guilty last month to shooting at students in February 2012 at Chardon High School, east of Cleveland. Investigators have said he admitted to the shooting but said he didn't know why he did it.
Before the case went to adult court last year, a juvenile court judge ruled that Lane was mentally competent to stand trial despite evidence he suffers from hallucinations, psychosis and fantasies.
Lane was defiant during the sentencing, smiling and smirking throughout, including while four relatives of victims spoke.
After he came in, he calmly unbuttoned his blue dress shirt to reveal the T-shirt reading "killer," which the prosecutor noted was similar to one he wore during the shooting.
At one point, he swiveled around in his chair toward the gallery where his own family members and those of the slain teenagers were sitting and spoke suddenly, surprising even his lawyer.
"The hand that pulls the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory," he said, then cursed at and raised his middle finger toward the victims' relatives.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb ... 07540.html
Anyone still feeling sorry for this piece of shit :corn:
somehow that makes sense to me. Hope he is on meds and never escapes.
Meds aren't going to help him when he gets released into the general population, he's going to wish he put a bullet in his head when he had the chance.