Dave Matthews rip-off on American Idol

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  • Lifted
    Lifted Posts: 1,836
    i view the cursory view of it as being similar to seeing a band with mop tops and saying "oh thats a band influenced by the beatles or is a beatles rip off". what band isnt influenced by the beatles number 1, and number 2, what other influences do they have.

    why do you find these over-the-top rants necessary? and then you wonder why you get under people's skin? are you really that passionate about this thread? cause i'm certainly not. the similarities between phil phillips and dave matthews are uncanny. simple as that. as i said, do a google search with the two...you'll find tons of discussion about it all over the internet. i call it a rip-off and you call it inspiration. whatever. either way, it's a valid observation.
  • Lifted wrote:
    you turned it personal, when you called me names

    what name did i call you besides 'musicismylife'?


    well i guess you didnt call me names, but your post was condescending and rude as hell. i stated my opinion dave wasnt the only influence and as i said you said i'd never listened to dave, because i guess to disagree with you must mean i dont know who the artist is, and of course i could never have a different opinion. you implied i was on drugs, which is an absurd thing to suggest as im straight edge, so its a lazy slur and comment. you also suggested to me that if i disagreed with you i was somehow daft and or arguing just to argue with you. again the implication is you arent just stating an opinion. which you are in fact doing. but you make it sound like what you said is fact and their isnt any other opinion that could be offered. Im sort of confused why you think this wouldnt irk me. telling me i cant disagree with you, that you think you are the only correct person, and that anyone who disagrees is on drugs or is delusional, thats quite a statement to suggest.

    i merely disagreed with you. you attacked me and said those things about me. I disagreed with your original post. I disagreed with the point of it. You choose to childishly attack me.

    has anyone actually done the simple act of googling this guy and reading interviews from the guy. maybe when interviewers ask him who his influences are, maybe he says something more than "i listened to only dave matthews and thats my only influence". if he does in fact state he had and has other influenced extending that to what he sounds like would be a natural progression.

    You said he was completely mimicking daves persona and style. I think it sets yourself up for criticism when you make such a blanket and specific comment. Do you honestly believe his only influence is dave? Are his vocal inflections and the dance moves, and the guitar playing, only indicative of dave? If he dances like that and sounds like the way he does is it THE ONLY explanation for that, that he listens and apes dave? or could another explanation be possible? Could it also be feasible he's copying the style of John Mayer? and Brett Dennen? And Damien Rice? And Ray Lamontagne?

    I'd love to hear a list you have of artists who dont sound anything like their influences. There have been many innovative and experimental and genrebending bands throughout music history, but im not aware of one band where they werent influenced and thus included that influence in the music itself.
  • Lifted wrote:
    you turned it personal, when you called me names

    what name did i call you besides 'musicismylife'?


    well i guess you didnt call me names, but your post was condescending and rude as hell. i stated my opinion dave wasnt the only influence and as i said you said i'd never listened to dave, because i guess to disagree with you must mean i dont know who the artist is, and of course i could never have a different opinion. you implied i was on drugs, which is an absurd thing to suggest as im straight edge, so its a lazy slur and comment. you also suggested to me that if i disagreed with you i was somehow daft and or arguing just to argue with you. again the implication is you arent just stating an opinion. which you are in fact doing. but you make it sound like what you said is fact and their isnt any other opinion that could be offered. Im sort of confused why you think this wouldnt irk me. telling me i cant disagree with you, that you think you are the only correct person, and that anyone who disagrees is on drugs or is delusional, thats quite a statement to suggest.

    i merely disagreed with you. you attacked me and said those things about me. I disagreed with your original post. I disagreed with the point of it. You choose to childishly attack me.

    has anyone actually done the simple act of googling this guy and reading interviews from the guy. maybe when interviewers ask him who his influences are, maybe he says something more than "i listened to only dave matthews and thats my only influence". if he does in fact state he had and has other influenced extending that to what he sounds like would be a natural progression.

    You said he was completely mimicking daves persona and style. I think it sets yourself up for criticism when you make such a blanket and specific comment. Do you honestly believe his only influence is dave? Are his vocal inflections and the dance moves, and the guitar playing, only indicative of dave? If he dances like that and sounds like the way he does is it THE ONLY explanation for that, that he listens and apes dave? or could another explanation be possible? Could it also be feasible he's copying the style of John Mayer? and Brett Dennen? And Damien Rice? And Ray Lamontagne?

    I'd love to hear a list you have of artists who dont sound anything like their influences. There have been many innovative and experimental and genrebending bands throughout music history, but im not aware of one band where they werent influenced and thus included that influence in the music itself.


    Lifted, and you dont get under peoples skin? I find what you said hurtful and negative. Lets disagree but lets keep personal insults out of it. What a stupid discussion
  • Lifted wrote:
    i view the cursory view of it as being similar to seeing a band with mop tops and saying "oh thats a band influenced by the beatles or is a beatles rip off". what band isnt influenced by the beatles number 1, and number 2, what other influences do they have.

    why do you find these over-the-top rants necessary? and then you wonder why you get under people's skin? are you really that passionate about this thread? cause i'm certainly not. the similarities between phil phillips and dave matthews are uncanny. simple as that. as i said, do a google search with the two...you'll find tons of discussion about it all over the internet. i call it a rip-off and you call it inspiration. whatever. either way, it's a valid observation.


    funny this whole thread since i posted a few days ago, youve said anyone who doesnt see the similarities and that he's a ripoff is on drugs, or is arguing for arguments sake.

    now you say my view that he isnt a ripoff is a valid observation?

    which one is it?

    when i posted the other day how i disagreed with you, why didnt you immediately respond, "i disagree, but you have a valid point", and then just leave it at that.

    you chose to take it personal.
  • Lifted
    Lifted Posts: 1,836
    Lifted wrote:
    i view the cursory view of it as being similar to seeing a band with mop tops and saying "oh thats a band influenced by the beatles or is a beatles rip off". what band isnt influenced by the beatles number 1, and number 2, what other influences do they have.

    why do you find these over-the-top rants necessary? and then you wonder why you get under people's skin? are you really that passionate about this thread? cause i'm certainly not. the similarities between phil phillips and dave matthews are uncanny. simple as that. as i said, do a google search with the two...you'll find tons of discussion about it all over the internet. i call it a rip-off and you call it inspiration. whatever. either way, it's a valid observation.


    funny this whole thread since i posted a few days ago, youve said anyone who doesnt see the similarities and that he's a ripoff is on drugs, or is arguing for arguments sake.

    now you say my view that he isnt a ripoff is a valid observation?

    which one is it?

    when i posted the other day how i disagreed with you, why didnt you immediately respond, "i disagree, but you have a valid point", and then just leave it at that.

    you chose to take it personal.

    the only one taking this personally is you. and when i said that, i meant that my original post was a valid observation. sorry for the confusion. you are just being way over the top and creating an argument that isn't there.
  • interesting so i guess telling someone that if they disagree with you they are on drugs isnt personal? nor is being condescending, and snotty? And saying others are annoyed by me, is that a kind, respectful way to talk to anyone? The latter comment is especially laughable because built into it, is the suggestion you believe people on this board DONT view you as the things you said i was. Im choosing not to call you those things, im just pointing out, to make such a statement, you better be sure you are Mother Theresa or something.

    the second most popular comment on the original video you posted, the thriller audition, someone posted "he is not a dave matthews clone". second most popular comment

    So disagreeing with you on your original point isnt a valid argument. You really believe this topic has oonly one valid position in terms of this phillips guy.

    I think you went astray when you veered from your idea that this guy sounds like dave. thats a valid point to have. but to accuse the guy of being rubbish, a knock off, meaning a no talent guy, and then to attack anyone else who disagrees with your points, that i think is where you lost me

    i think its wise to remember not everyone comes to any situation with the same opinion. Sure millions of people may view this phillips guy as a dave matthews sound alike. But im sure im not the only person perceptive enough to know the guy obviously has heard and is influenced and sounds like a multitude of musicians, other than him Has the guy sung a dave matthews cover on the show? If he hasnt the logical conclusion would be he;s influenced and open to influence by more than one artist.

    i think its fine to have your opinion, but its an opinion. it just is. i dont expect you to think my point of view is the gods honest, but i do expect common courtesy and respect and that means if im expressing an opinion, its common courtesy to not revert back into 4 year old mode and say "my opinion is right and everyone else who disagrees with me is crazy or is out to get me".

    i also think its possible to hold and defend an assertion and to not call others names or belittle others.
  • 12345AGNST1
    12345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    lol this is so stupid
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  • Sea
    Sea Posts: 3,160
    Discuss, disagree and debate politely.
    If you can't agree to disagree perhaps it's time to back away from the keyboard.
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