Religious Beliefs
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Hi blondieblue :wave:
Most know I am a believer but don't follow a religion
which often puts me in the odd man out boat.
I have people who spread their word to me about religion
and I celebrate how they feel about that but will tell them
I am sorry I do not believe what you believe.
As far as being prayed for
I feel the love in that and know it benefits the heart of the one praying.
It is a form of reaching out and bonding.
In my twenties when I was not a believer
I remember keenly feeling this love though and knowing this to be the case,
that this fulfills the one praying.
I felt, at the time, I can do this for another human being ...
I can let them pray for me....
it really matters not who is right and who is wrong, whether you agree or disagree,
whether one believes or not
it comes down to how much you care for the other person
how much you care about the interaction and about making it positive and loving.
It is accepting another human being and what they have to give.
So In my opinion it comes down to how much you care for and about this aide.
If you are willing to accept this person for who they are and what they have to give...
if you are willing to accept them whether you agree with them or not
or if you cannot accept them because you do not share the same belief.0 -
Those who believe in God generally don't like it if someone says that God is man made.
But there are quite a few posts on here by people who claim to believe in God, but just not the God of any particular religion.
They say they believe in God because they feel his love, his compassion...they can see God in the beaty & wonder of the universe...but is't that the biggest man made God there could be?! You're essentially selecting specific qualities and attributing them to 'your' God!
As for people who claim that they speak to God...what was it Sam Harris said about George W Bush peaking to God?!
"George W Bush says he speaks to God every day, and Americans are fine with that. But if he said he spoke to God through a hairdryer, people would say he's crazy. I fail to see how the addition of a hairdryer makes it any more absurd" !!!!Cymru Am Byth
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blondieblue227 wrote:HA!
yup.
no healing for me!
but see then you're stuck dealing with the whole, "I must spread Gods word" thing. and it potentially won't stop. how do you deal with that?
I think you're doing a great job Blondie, keep doing what you're doing and you'll be fine. :thumbup:
As for the preaching, I would just politely tell them to please don't preach to me. I've had numerous people say they pray for me, etc. and I let them say what they will, but when the preaching starts, it drives me to the point of having to actually say something so they'll stop. If put in a polite way, they should get the message.0 -
i feel like this discussion is worthless unless everyone has taken LSD once or twice... no, I'm not joking. If you have, you know that there is something unexplainable beneath our everyday reality. A more fundamental yet mysterious story underlies everything, and we're all individually the center of the story. It is like a big riddle or test that we're here to figure out, and the people who've failed the test are those who provide the authoritarian structure and rules to life - the people who think they've got it all figured out. One thing you can be sure of; anyone who thinks they've got it all figured out and trumpet it the world through their ego - they have failed the test.
It seems we're all the center of our own mandala (the buddhists had this figured out) and the universe is ours, individually. You are the most important. It IS all about you. But, part of it being all about you is that it is also about everyone else individually, and in that way we are interconnected. We're all mirrors individually reflecting off of EVERY SINGLE other person in this world. The light of love should always be reflecting off of you and that is how you change the world, because it reflects off of everyone else infinitely.
The only way to prepare for death is to go through what death is like... and the safest way to do that is LSD. it allows you to shed your fear of death, and in that there is great liberation.
ok.... sorry bout that. back to my regularly scheduled programming.Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0 -
I am the mirror ball of light in this disco we call the universe.
I agree, even the military complex asserts the practice of using LSD.0 -
he still stands wrote:
The only way to prepare for death is to go through what death is like... and the safest way to do that is LSD. it allows you to shed your fear of death, and in that there is great liberation.
ok.... sorry bout that. back to my regularly scheduled programming.
Hmmm. :think: I don't think you should generalize an acid trip to knowing what death is like. For someone who has tried it, I certainly cannot say the same. I've only shed my fear of death from actually coming close to it.
Sorry for the deterrence from the original thread topic.0 -
Jeanwah wrote:he still stands wrote:
The only way to prepare for death is to go through what death is like... and the safest way to do that is LSD. it allows you to shed your fear of death, and in that there is great liberation.
ok.... sorry bout that. back to my regularly scheduled programming.
Hmmm. :think: I don't think you should generalize an acid trip to knowing what death is like. For someone who has tried it, I certainly cannot say the same. I've only shed my fear of death from actually coming close to it.
Sorry for the deterrence from the original thread topic.
you apparently did street acid or didn't do enough. In my opinion.
the ego-loss death trip is ubiquitous to the LSD experience. and yes, it is safe if you do it in a controlled environment. Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0 -
I dont think its off topic. Some religions use hallucinogens/psychedelic drugs as part of their religion.0
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You see, I see more comments " we have turned off by listening overly righteous christian, muslim and or insert any zealot here______ mode." Your beliefs are to be freeing to one's mind not kill it.0
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Jeanwah wrote:he still stands wrote:
The only way to prepare for death is to go through what death is like... and the safest way to do that is LSD. it allows you to shed your fear of death, and in that there is great liberation.
ok.... sorry bout that. back to my regularly scheduled programming.
Hmmm. :think: I don't think you should generalize an acid trip to knowing what death is like. For someone who has tried it, I certainly cannot say the same. I've only shed my fear of death from actually coming close to it. .
+1 though I have never feared death per se. Never feared about the 'unknown' or 'afterlife' as some believers may call it - an afterlife that stems from religious beliefs. I do not believe in god and I do not believe in religion (just in case there were any doubts about that
) and therefore do not believe that my conduct during my lifetime will have any impact on me after my death - so no worries there.
One thing I do notice on this thread (and others) is that a good number of people will believe in a god but not in religion (quite common thing, really) but the attributes of the god believed in stems squarely in the teachings of a christian religion. Preconditioned?
Blondie - a good aid (PAs here in the UK) are precious to have but in the end, you are the boss. If I understood correctly, you already mentioned the 'no religion' thing. Said nicely to her that she has her beliefs and you have hers and let's keep it at that shouldn't really cause a riff, should it?
My very best friend 'found god' about 15 years ago. Whilst we can have some interesting theological discussions (as I do with a priest friend of mine,etc.), we both know not to 'cross the line' and it's fine.Post edited by redrock on0 -
I will assume you are of little faith.pirlo21 wrote:Those who believe in God generally don't like it if someone says that God is man made.
But there are quite a few posts on here by people who claim to believe in God, but just not the God of any particular religion.
They say they believe in God because they feel his love, his compassion...they can see God in the beaty & wonder of the universe...but is't that the biggest man made God there could be?! You're essentially selecting specific qualities and attributing them to 'your' God!
As for people who claim that they speak to God...what was it Sam Harris said about George W Bush peaking to God?!
"George W Bush says he speaks to God every day, and Americans are fine with that. But if he said he spoke to God through a hairdryer, people would say he's crazy. I fail to see how the addition of a hairdryer makes it any more absurd" !!!!
In my case, faith is not blind belief it is knowledge of the deepest kind ...
it comes from another place, it comes with proof
it is not selecting God qualities that suits my fancy or that is written
it is learning and experiencing that brings the concrete knowledge of God's existence
just as anything else is in this life
It could be described as a door that remains closed but you know what is on the other side
It could also be compared to love we learn here in our lifetime
some have little faith in love, this because of life experiences,
what they learned as a child from role models and for the lack of proof that love
exists and is lasting.
So love does not exist for them and therefore they do not believe in love.
As far as talking with God I'm not sure we really listen so how can we talk?0 -
SweetChildofMine wrote:I dont think its off topic. Some religions use hallucinogens/psychedelic drugs as part of their religion.
Entheogens. It's the only way I know how to relate to this concept of "god."Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0 -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_a_Pill%3Fhe still stands wrote:SweetChildofMine wrote:I dont think its off topic. Some religions use hallucinogens/psychedelic drugs as part of their religion.
Entheogens. It's the only way I know how to relate to this concept of "god."
God in a Pill.
The Elders are calling, they say its a privilege to speak to the Joker.
There are so many religions. One is not conceivable truly correct. I always say it is your pathway for this lifetime a guide of your spiritual contracts. Atheism is a religion. Sorry. It is still your belief not to follow a God. It is still your belief about God even if this means of God's non-existence. The state Nothing is still something.0 -
SweetChildofMine wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_a_Pill%3Fhe still stands wrote:SweetChildofMine wrote:I dont think its off topic. Some religions use hallucinogens/psychedelic drugs as part of their religion.
Entheogens. It's the only way I know how to relate to this concept of "god."
God in a Pill.
The Elders are calling, they say its a privilege to speak to the Joker.
There are so many religions. One is not conceivable truly correct. I always say it is your pathway for this lifetime a guide of your spiritual contracts. Atheism is a religion. Sorry. It is still your belief not to follow a God. It is still your belief about God even if this means of God's non-existence. The state Nothing is still something.
to an extent. certainly, there are FUNDAMENTAL atheists out there who are always telling us what they think about these sort of questions which puts them on par with fundamentalist christians, IMO.
agnostics (like me) ... THAT'S the way to go! I don't believe in god... but I also don't believe in "no god." Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0 -
Pandora,
I have faith, just not religious faith. I have faith in my girlfriend, family, friends...and I have faith that Pearl Jam will rock the house in Manchester in June!!
You say you don't 'select' God's qualities, does that mean you attribute the bad things to God just as equally as the good?
If all the beauty & love in the world reinforces your belief in God, what about suffering & destruction?!
If you don't believe in a God from a particular religion, then you are pretty much creating your own version of God.Cymru Am Byth
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Oh how this thread and topic make my mind swirl around.
To the original post, I was raised Jewish (though as a kid, not quite sure I had a grasp on the whole deal). In my teens/early 20s, a spitfire atheist.
My dad and I had many conversations about this. In his early teens, he left Germany (and his parents) for America in the late 30s. He knew what was coming. His parents stayed and were eventually "transferred" to a concentration camp. My grandmother died at Thereisenstadt (in her husbands arms - small blessing) and my grandfather made it to freedom afterward. Short-lived, but he got to spend precious time with his son again.
I've felt an obligation to not break that chain - so much sacrificed in the name of beliefs...BELIEFS - but I also think one has to make an effort to have faith. It can't be forced. And, I just couldn't do it...couldn't make myself believe. I think my father understood and respected that.
I think our essence is about integrity, honor, kindness. That may come from some tenets of religion, but not from religion itself.
My father died in September 2008, and this past Hannukah, I lit the menorah that he brought with him from Germany and passed on to me. It wasn't about MY beliefs, but about honoring his.
Holy fuck, I miss him. Such a unique and decent man.
hmmm.....not sure where I'm going with this.
I guess that now, in my 40s, I consider myself agnostic. I know that I just don't know. I look at whatever god might be as nature - life. Like the line from Man of the Hour (also tied to my dad) - "nature has its own religion, gospel from the land". That's it for me.
Early mornings when I sit by our window, having a smoke, watching the city awake and the sky explode in color...or the times where this part of California becomes violent and shakes the complacency out of us...and so much more - everything that's bigger than tiny me...that's god.
To me.0 -
that little story gave me the chills ...0
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...hedonist wrote:I guess that now, in my 40s, I consider myself agnostic. I know that I just don't know. I look at whatever god might be as nature - life. Like the line from Man of the Hour (also tied to my dad) - "nature has its own religion, gospel from the land". That's it for me.
Early mornings when I sit by our window, having a smoke, watching the city awake and the sky explode in color...or the times where this part of California becomes violent and shakes the complacency out of us...and so much more - everything that's bigger than tiny me...that's god.
To me.
You and I are of kindred spirit. I have that same feeling when I'm sitting alone, on the beach or in the shadow of the Sierras. Or just walking out to the parking lot and seeing that tiny weed growing in the crack in the asphalt. We have wonder... not knowledge... or truth. We cannot say one way or the other, if there is a God or not. Just as the weed in the parking lot probably does not understand the complexity of our thought, reason or belief... we do not and cannot understand God. Not in the physical constraints of this existance... in this level of consciousness, in this specific time, in this specific space. And we know and accept that.
I do not believe those whom tell me they possess the truth to the question. I believe they hold a strong belief in their convictions, but belief is not knowledge nor truth. Life is a journey where we search for the truth... to gain knowledge and earn wisdom. The answers will be given, once we die. In the meantime, let's live.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Cosmo wrote:You and I are of kindred spirit. I have that same feeling when I'm sitting alone, on the beach or in the shadow of the Sierras. Or just walking out to the parking lot and seeing that tiny weed growing in the crack in the asphalt. We have wonder... not knowledge... or truth. We cannot say one way or the other, if there is a God or not. Just as the weed in the parking lot probably does not understand the complexity of our thought, reason or belief... we do not and cannot understand God. Not in the physical constraints of this existance... in this level of consciousness, in this specific time, in this specific space. And we know and accept that.
I do not believe those whom tell me they possess the truth to the question. I believe they hold a strong belief in their convictions, but belief is not knowledge nor truth. Life is a journey where we search for the truth... to gain knowledge and earn wisdom. The answers will be given, once we die. In the meantime, let's live.
Amen to that, my friend.
And your last two lines? Much agreed.
My mom told me that many years ago, after her father died, she dreamed of him and asked, "Where are you? What happened when you died? What happens when WE die?"
He put a finger to his lips and said "shhhh".
We can't know...actually, I think we shouldn't know. I think it would somehow sully the beauty and surprise this life holds.0
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