Flouride

musicismylife78 · April 2009

Do you all believe Flouride is in our drinking water? Is it really dangerous? How do those who believe it is dangerous brush their teeth? What is used in place of flouride? I assume these folks dont visit the dentist either.

Whats the reasoning behind the flouride is dangerous idea?

Commy · April 2009

YES, it is in our drinking water. the levels vary from state to state in the US, but its found everywhere.

i don't know much about it but found this (at ats.com)

Kentucky is at #2 in the state ranking list on water fluoridation rates at 99.6% and is also happens to be #2 in the state ranking list of death due to cancer at 215.8 deaths per 100,000.Next up is West Virginia which happens to be #3 in the rate of cancer deaths at 209.7 deaths per 100,000 West Virginia’ water fluoridation rate is at 91.5% of the population. And its state ranking on water fluoridation is high up on the list at#11.

Now if we go to the other end of the spectrum we go to Utah which is at only a 2.2% rate of water fluoridation and is last ranked in state rankings on levels of water fluoridation to the population. Utah also happens to be last ranked in cancer deaths at 139.1 per 100,000 people

so the state with the lowest fluoride count also has the lowest cancer rate in the country.

but geography or any number of factors could be involved, its hard to say. some interesting numbers.

but these are just a few states that happened to fit the theory. some states are way up on fluoride and way down on cancer, and vice versa.

makes you wonder though.

Sludge Factory · April 2009

I have a link to a short video by some doctor who used to support floridation but eventually came to be against it after doing some of his own research. I will see if I can find it when I get home.

megatron · April 2009

i love a good conspiracy

http://ekoscommunications.com/node/125

Sludge Factory · April 2009

Sludge Factory wrote:

I have a link to a short video by some doctor who used to support floridation but eventually came to be against it after doing some of his own research. I will see if I can find it when I get home.

Actually, I just found it.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... paste.aspx

blackredyellow · April 2009

I don't agree with fluoride in drinking water, but we have it where I live.

But using the cancer stats of states and trying to make a correlation to fluoride percentages is a joke...

Sludge Factory · April 2009

blackredyellow wrote:

I don't agree with fluoride in drinking water, but we have it where I live.

But using the cancer stats of states and trying to make a correlation to fluoride percentages is a joke...

Yeah, correlation definitely doesn't mean causation. Still, like you, I do not like having it in drinking water either.

soulsinging · April 2009

Commy wrote:

YES, it is in our drinking water. the levels vary from state to state in the US, but its found everywhere.

i don't know much about it but found this (at ats.com)

Kentucky is at #2 in the state ranking list on water fluoridation rates at 99.6% and is also happens to be #2 in the state ranking list of death due to cancer at 215.8 deaths per 100,000.Next up is West Virginia which happens to be #3 in the rate of cancer deaths at 209.7 deaths per 100,000 West Virginia’ water fluoridation rate is at 91.5% of the population. And its state ranking on water fluoridation is high up on the list at#11.

Now if we go to the other end of the spectrum we go to Utah which is at only a 2.2% rate of water fluoridation and is last ranked in state rankings on levels of water fluoridation to the population. Utah also happens to be last ranked in cancer deaths at 139.1 per 100,000 people

so the state with the lowest fluoride count also has the lowest cancer rate in the country.

but geography or any number of factors could be involved, its hard to say. some interesting numbers.

but these are just a few states that happened to fit the theory. some states are way up on fluoride and way down on cancer, and vice versa.

makes you wonder though.

I can no longer allow this conspiracy to pollute our precious bodily fluids!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47wZkFmSGVw

Commy · April 2009

yeah, the cancer connection was week. like i said, i don't know anything about this.

but.

apparently fluoride is used in mustard gas. what a wonderful thing to put in our water.

and IF "they" were looking for a way to put a substance into as many people as possible, the water supply would be the ideal place to start. and i wouldn't put it past them to do something like that.

The brain cannot tell the difference between fluoride and a hydrogen ion, allowing the fluoride to deposit itself within brain tissue. It inhibits cholergic activity, which basically is the function your body uses to turn off receptors in the brain and body. The inability to turn these receptors off creates feelings of inner tension, restlessness, and the inability to stay still. Usually involving: constant pacing, purposeless movement of the feet and legs, and marked anxiety

sounds like a add or adhd.

The International Society for Fluoride Research(ISFR)
has reported studies implicating fluoride as a cause of chronic fatigue syndrome, sleep disorder, autism, down syndrome.

more here
http://www.fluorideresearch.org/

Idris · February 2012

Idris wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRNVMduMy4A

The Fluoride Deception
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3y8uwtxrHo

And Mr Ralph Nader on Water Fluoridation

Idris wrote:

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2006/12/30/fluoride_accumulates_in_pineal_gland.htm

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/

Fluoride and Cancer

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2005/jun/12/medicineandhealth.genderissues

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I originally posted these in the 'water' thread, re posting them here in the dedicated 'Fluoride' thread.
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satansbed · February 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2bSL5V ... re=related

Idris · February 2012

musicismylife78 wrote:

How do those who believe it is dangerous brush their teeth? What is used in place of flouride? I assume these folks dont visit the dentist either.

I use Non Fluoride Toothpaste, http://www.tomsofmaine.com/home currently using that brand.
Personally, I don't really eat/drink many foods/liquids that are bad for my teeth, like pop, candy and whatever else.

and of course Some foods and liquids are good for our teeth, like some tea's for example. So it's not just about the brushing, but rather what we are also consuming overall throughout the day that affects our teeth (positively or negatively) in between our daily cleanings.

Water Fluoridation is a crime against humanity, they say "It's in the water because it's good for our teeth"...seriously, do people really think our governments care about our teeth?

I (couple posts above) posted a link to the documentary 'The Fluoride Deception', it's a good start for anyone interested.

It's really a serious issue, spreading accurate information on the dangers of 'Fluoride' is important. Then we take what we know to our local governments and fight the good fight. Spread the word.

Sadly They still pump Fluoride in Our water over here in Toronto. I've recently made the full switch away from drinking the tap water etc. I'm using reverse osmosis water, but that has a negative also. Mainly you lose all the good minerals our body needs. So I've been trying to make the proper adjustments for that.

DriftingByTheStorm · February 2012

When I try to approach the Great Fluoride Debate with impartiality while searching for answers on the web, it usually goes something like this:

Google Search: "Is Fluoride Good For Your Teeth?"

Result clicked: "Fluoride And Your Teeth"
... looks promising ...
http://www.colgate.com/app/CP/US/EN/OC/ ... Teeth.cvsp

Oh. Its an article by Colgate?
Of course. Oh well, keep reading.
Could have some valid information, right?

Reading article ...
"The loss of enamel is balanced by remineralization. In this process, minerals in the saliva, such as fluoride, calcium and phosphate"

... oh shit,
fluoride is naturally occurring in saliva?
That gives weight to the pro-fluoride claims i guess ...

google search: "fluoride in saliva"
LOTS of results found ... ALL are studies talking about fluoride levels in saliva AFTER using fluoride rinse or toothpaste with fluoride.

Hmm. Head scratch.
See the term "systemic fluoride" in scientific paper.

Google search "systemic fluoride"

This must be the naturally occurring stuff, right?

Result clicked:
http://www.sharecare.com/question/what- ... c-fluoride

"Dr. De Vizio DMD of Colgate answered:
Systemic fluoride is a phrase used to describe fluoride that is ingested by mouth usually through a community's drinking water or supplements."

... ???
So some Dr. from Colgate just answered on an unaffiliated answers site that "systemic fluoride" is really just fluoride in your saliva BECAUSE of fluoride INJESTED previously from the fluoridated water supply?

COLGATE!
you give us false reassurance on your website regarding the saftey of fluoride by indirectly\subliminally proposing that fluoride just happens to BE in the saliva ... but then on another webpage your own damn doctor blows a hole in that suggestion!

So,
what else can i find PRO-fluoride?
TO WIKIPEDIA WE GO!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation
"Water fluoridation prevents cavities in both children and adults,[9]"

Oh. source 9 looks good ...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19772843 (source 9)

reading abstract ...

let's see here ... conclusions ? merits of study ... hmm ...

"This was to present a summary of the evidence from systematic reviews of the effectiveness and safety of water fluoridation."

OK. so they are going to rely on "systematic reviews" of other studies to indicate effectiveness\safety of fluoride. Should be good if they are good reviews with good studies.

Let's keep reading.

"3 systematic reviews and 3 guidelines were included in this review. While the reviews themselves were of good methodological quality, the studies included in the reviews were generally of moderate to low quality."

So the wikipedia assertion that fluoride is good is based on a review of 3 reviews that themselves were comprised ENTIRELY (and oddly enough, ADMITTEDLY) of medium-to-LOW QUALITY STUDIES?

jesus.
this is impossible.

I give up.

time for breakfast.

Yep.
That just happened this morning.
And now off to "brunch" w the folks & GF. lol

polaris_x · February 2012

isn't tom's of maine owned by colgate now?

i use dr. ken's toothpaste ... it doesn't have flouride ... i had my annual checkup and cleaning last week and dentist told me that my teeth are in general better shape than most of his clients and to keep what i'm doing which is basically brush my teeth and floss ...

i know we have fluoride in our drinking water ... would prefer it wasn't there ...

Jeanwah · February 2012

I've asked my daughter's pediatric dentist about the hype with flouride and he said that that's exactly what it is... hype. A big conspiracy. And that the only thing to watch out for is to not get too much flouride (in water, toothpaste or vitamins) and we should all be ok.

Idris · February 2012

Jeanwah wrote:

I've asked my daughter's pediatric dentist about the hype with flouride and he said that that's exactly what it is... hype. A big conspiracy. And that the only thing to watch out for is to not get too much flouride (in water, toothpaste or vitamins) and we should all be ok.

Why is it in our water in the first place? and where does that Fluoride come from? I personally feel that those are Important questions, and when the answers are looked at and understood. For me anyway, it makes me feel uneasy.

Goes back to the 40's, when it started being added to water, and it was/is coming from waste. The Fluoride in our water, is a poison. It's not even pharmaceutical grade.

Our Food is made with that water, we drink it, shower in it. Our Veggies grow with it. It's sad, and disgusting.
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It's not just about avoiding it the best we can. It's about the governments/corporations/groupS etc adding it to our water, without a referendum etc. So tracing back the 'why'...to my mind Is important. It's beyond just avoidance for me.

puremagic wrote:

Fluoride has always been known as a chemical inhibitor and in large quantities a poison.
http://farmwars.info/?p=3613

Here's a sweet gift of death from none other than Donald Rumsfeld
http://www.rense.com/general67/rum.htm

Idris · February 2012

polaris_x wrote:

isn't tom's of maine owned by colgate now?

i use dr. ken's toothpaste ... it doesn't have flouride ... i had my annual checkup and cleaning last week and dentist told me that my teeth are in general better shape than most of his clients and to keep what i'm doing which is basically brush my teeth and floss ...

It is, they own a majority stake.

I've seen DrKen's paste, never tried it. You say it's solid? I'll give it a shot. I've been happy with the result's I've been getting with Toms brand, but like to change things around every now and then.

Idris · February 2012

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

When I try to approach the Great Fluoride Debate with impartiality while searching for answers on the web, it usually goes something like this:

Google Search: "Is Fluoride Good For Your Teeth?"

Result clicked: "Fluoride And Your Teeth"
... looks promising ...
http://www.colgate.com/app/CP/US/EN/OC/ ... Teeth.cvsp

Oh. Its an article by Colgate?
Of course. Oh well, keep reading.
Could have some valid information, right?

Reading article ...
"The loss of enamel is balanced by remineralization. In this process, minerals in the saliva, such as fluoride, calcium and phosphate"

... oh shit,
fluoride is naturally occurring in saliva?
That gives weight to the pro-fluoride claims i guess ...

google search: "fluoride in saliva"
LOTS of results found ... ALL are studies talking about fluoride levels in saliva AFTER using fluoride rinse or toothpaste with fluoride.

Hmm. Head scratch.
See the term "systemic fluoride" in scientific paper.

Google search "systemic fluoride"

This must be the naturally occurring stuff, right?

Result clicked:
http://www.sharecare.com/question/what- ... c-fluoride

"Dr. De Vizio DMD of Colgate answered:
Systemic fluoride is a phrase used to describe fluoride that is ingested by mouth usually through a community's drinking water or supplements."

... ???
So some Dr. from Colgate just answered on an unaffiliated answers site that "systemic fluoride" is really just fluoride in your saliva BECAUSE of fluoride INJESTED previously from the fluoridated water supply?

COLGATE!
you give us false reassurance on your website regarding the saftey of fluoride by indirectly\subliminally proposing that fluoride just happens to BE in the saliva ... but then on another webpage your own damn doctor blows a hole in that suggestion!

So,
what else can i find PRO-fluoride?
TO WIKIPEDIA WE GO!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation
"Water fluoridation prevents cavities in both children and adults,[9]"

Oh. source 9 looks good ...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19772843 (source 9)

reading abstract ...

let's see here ... conclusions ? merits of study ... hmm ...

"This was to present a summary of the evidence from systematic reviews of the effectiveness and safety of water fluoridation."

OK. so they are going to rely on "systematic reviews" of other studies to indicate effectiveness\safety of fluoride. Should be good if they are good reviews with good studies.

Let's keep reading.

"3 systematic reviews and 3 guidelines were included in this review. While the reviews themselves were of good methodological quality, the studies included in the reviews were generally of moderate to low quality."

So the wikipedia assertion that fluoride is good is based on a review of 3 reviews that themselves were comprised ENTIRELY (and oddly enough, ADMITTEDLY) of medium-to-LOW QUALITY STUDIES?

jesus.
this is impossible.

I give up.

time for breakfast.

Yep.
That just happened this morning.
And now off to "brunch" w the folks & GF. lol

Sounds like a good morning

Constant Recoil... · February 2012

Didn't we take Flouride pills in school?

polaris_x · February 2012

Idris wrote:

It is, they own a majority stake.

I've seen DrKen's paste, never tried it. You say it's solid? I'll give it a shot. I've been happy with the result's I've been getting with Toms brand, but like to change things around every now and then.

you have to use a bit more than normal ... it's crazy actually - when i'm away or somewhere and i use a major brand - it's like you need just a tiny bit of that and your mouth is full of suds ... with the dr. kens you need to use a bit more ... i think the key to teeth is really flossing so, just brushing with baking soda would probably do it ...

Idris · February 2012

polaris_x wrote:

you have to use a bit more than normal ... it's crazy actually - when i'm away or somewhere and i use a major brand - it's like you need just a tiny bit of that and your mouth is full of suds ... with the dr. kens you need to use a bit more ... i think the key to teeth is really flossing so, just brushing with baking soda would probably do it ...

yea dude and mixed with Hydrogen peroxide it's apparently even better...For thousands of years people have used different natural way's to keep teeth and gums healthy.

I wonder if hemp works well for flossing?? :eh:
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'Xylitol' is good for teeth, it's also sometimes used in natural toothpastes,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylitol

http://www.xylitol.org/dental-benefits-of-xylitol
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