Boycott Caterpillar!

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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Not! ...
    my father invented the technology for just this

    Caterpillar been very very good to us! :mrgreen:

    Their machines are used all over the world ... creating jobs, bringing roads, progress,
    homes etc etc ... Symbolize :? I would say they symbolize something much different
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    pandora wrote:
    Not! ...
    my father invented the technology for just this

    Caterpillar been very very good to us! :mrgreen:

    Their machines are used all over the world ... creating jobs, bringing roads, progress,
    homes etc etc ... Symbolize :? I would say they symbolize something much different
    they are also used to bring destruction and break international law. and in the case of Rachel Corrie, murder...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    Not! ...
    my father invented the technology for just this

    Caterpillar been very very good to us! :mrgreen:

    Their machines are used all over the world ... creating jobs, bringing roads, progress,
    homes etc etc ... Symbolize :? I would say they symbolize something much different
    they are also used to bring destruction and break international law. and in the case of Rachel Corrie, murder...
    So you are saying their technology has not been used for anything worthwhile?
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    I bought at $87 and now it's around $109 with a healthy dividend.
    LOVE CAT!

    Edit-
    $113.8!!!!

    Woot
  • THE LOOK
    THE LOOK Posts: 324
    This post inspired me to go purchase a pair of Cat boots. I would buy a dozer if I could afford one !
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  • GC31608
    GC31608 GA Posts: 246
    It is unfortunate that CAT knowingly sells these specially modified vehicles to the Israeli govt, and yes they do know exactly what they will be used for since this is how they come up with the modifications. They don't see a moral dilemma in this at all because all they see are more profits.

    All we see is the good their machinery does and that should be enough according to Pandora. Meanwhile the Palestinians see the worst these machines are capable of. How would we feel if Mexico decided they wanted to reclaim their land in TX, NM and CA, and had CAT specially modify some of these for their country and started razing our homes?

    I fully understand the hardships Israel and the Jewish community have experienced but two wrongs don't make a right and no one, no one, deserves to have their homes and livelihood taken this way.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited January 2012
    ive operated heavy equipment a bit. mostly drove semis with caterpillar engines. CAT pulls 80,000 pounds up mountain sides quite nicely. i throughly am impressed with the sheer beastly power these machines have.

    am i to throw away my CAT hat? let me read into this story a bit. so far it sounds terrible.
    Post edited by chadwick on
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Caterpillar is making bulldozers, almost every use is not war. Are they selling directly to the Israeli military?

    Almost every use is not war? Where did you come up with that? They are used primarily for illegal house demolitions in the occupied territories. And, yes, they are sold directly to the Israeli military. Though even if they weren't sold directly to the Israeli military their acquisition and use by the Israeli military would still breach international law which prohibits the sale of arms or any other type of machinery that can be used against innocent civilians.

    Ummm...because most bulldozers are not used in war, duh.

    Interesting that they sell directly to the Israelis. I would have thought they would have bought them from another company that buys them, and modifies them for their specific use.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    well dang it I have bought my last CAT...never again !.. but I did run one over a few weeks ago. :shock: :lol:
    just joking about running over the cat . :lol:


    Godfather.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    I can boycott Caterpillar because I don't want to drive a bulldozer to work every day... but, Costco and Home Depot? That is tough. Cat food and kitty litter from Costco and a major build in my garage... makes it tough. Especially when there is a Home Depot about a half mile down the road... and a Costco less than a mile away.
    Can i boycott Wal-Mart, instead?
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    What weapons of mass destruction are being provided by Toys R Us exactly?
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    What weapons of mass destruction are being provided by Toys R Us exactly?
    ...
    I think it's the lead based toy bulldozers that are free in the boxes of Gummy Bears.
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  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    What weapons of mass destruction are being provided by Toys R Us exactly?


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    They promote smoking as well.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    pandora wrote:
    Not! ...
    my father invented the technology for just this

    Caterpillar been very very good to us! :mrgreen:

    Their machines are used all over the world ... creating jobs, bringing roads, progress,
    homes etc etc ... Symbolize :? I would say they symbolize something much different
    You’re obviously defensive because of pride and personal gain. Your father invented the tech for military bulldozers? You view bulldozing homes of relatives of people suspected of terrorism as progress? Just because a bulldozer aids in construction in the US, doesn’t mean the company is infallible. I’m interested to hear how you apply your golden rule to the morality of CAT selling bulldozers to the IDF, to be used specifically for human rights violations?

    chadwick wrote:
    ive operated heavy equipment a bit. mostly drove semis with caterpillar engines. CAT pulls 80,000 pounds up mountain sides quite nicely. i throughly am impressed with the sheer beastly power these machines have.

    am i to throw away my CAT hat? let me read into this story a bit. so far it sounds terrible.

    It’s not really a single ‘story’, it’s a policy that has been going on for decades. Between denying Palestinians building permits so that they can call any new construction ‘illegal’, and using accusations of terrorism to justify razing homes, the Israelis have effectively annexed large amounts of land with zero compensation to the rightful owners. It’s like eminent domain in the US, but with no notice, or time to get your shit out. They’ve demolished thousands of homes since 2000 alone.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_demo ... n_conflict
    The United Nations (UN) and human rights groups such as Amnesty International and the International Committee of the Red Cross….accuse the Israeli government and IDF of….:
    • Collective punishment, the punishment of an innocent Palestinian "for an offence he or she has not personally committed."[1][9]
    • Theft of Palestinian land by annexation to build the Israeli West Bank barrier or to create, expand or otherwise benefit Israeli settlements.[1][10]
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    What weapons of mass destruction are being provided by Toys R Us exactly?
    It's all in the link man....save the smartass comments. Thanks anyway for the opportunity to post more info for people to review:

    Toys “R” Us
    Factsheet Series 104 Created: November 2010, Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East

    What is Toys “R” Us’ involvement in Israel?

    Toys “R” Us is the world‟s largest toy retailer, with profits of over $300 million in 2009.The chain operates more than 1,500 stores worldwide, with twenty-six of these stores located in Israel, and two in Jerusalem.Toys “R” Us also sells three Israeli brands in its stores: Smart Trike, EduShape and Tiny Love. Together, these brands account for 124 products available at Toys “R” Us stores internationally. The Israeli chain of Toys “R” Us stores is owned by Super-Pharm, which operates franchises for many international companies that have expanded into the colonies.

    What is Toys “R” Us’ link to the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land?

    Super-Pharm, which is the Israeli branch of Shoppers Drug Mart, owns the Israeli chain of Toys “R” Us.
    Super-Pharm also has 137 drug stores across Israel, and at least three in the Ma‟ale Edomim, Pisgat Ze-ev and Gilo illegal Israeli colonies established within the occupied Palestinian territories.
    Also, 18% of Super-Pharm‟s shares are held by Bank Leumi,which operates several branches in the occupied Palestinian territories and the occupied Syrian Golan Heights,and whose main private owner is the State of Israel.

    The establishment of colonies and colonial infrastructure on occupied territories is illegal according to Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, and is considered a war crime according to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. Toys “R” Us‟ partnership with Super-Pharm means that it is profiting from the illegal colonization of Palestine, and is signalling its consent for this colonization through its continued financial ties with the colonies. By entering into business with Super-Pharm, which makes its profit by providing for the needs of colonist communities, Toys “R” Us is also complicit in normalizing the lives of colonists who are illegally colonizing Palestinian land.

    Why boycott Toys “R” Us?

    Toys “R” Us‟ investments in Israel are in violation of the UN Norms on the Responsibilities of Transnational Corporations and other Business with Regard to Human Rights, which outline the responsibilities of businesses to comply with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and other UN treaties. Article 3 (Section C) of the Norms forbids companies from engaging in and profiting from war crimes, crimes against humanity, and any other violation of international law. Corporations are also prohibited from engaging in actions that obstruct or impede economic, social, cultural, civil and political rights.Super-Pharm is actively supporting Israel‟s violations of international humanitarian law by investing heavily in the colonies, therefore Toys “R” Us‟ partnership with Super-Pharm means that Toys “R” Us also stands in violation of the Norms.

    Toys “R” Us also contributes to the Israeli economy by operating stores in Israel and by selling Israeli products. This financial investment in the state of Israel is problematic because it represents a signal to the Israeli government that apartheid and other war crimes it perpetrates are acceptable. The Norms stipulate that corporations must refrain from any activity which supports, solicits, or encourages states or any other entities to abuse human rights.

    Accordingly, Toys “R” Us should not invest in, nor profit from, a state that systematically violates the rights of Arab citizens of Israel, and Palestinian residents of the occupied territories.

    It is also important to note that in July 2005, more than 170 Palestinian civil society organizations issued a call asking the international community to boycott Israeli products in order to promote recognition of the Palestinians right to self-determination. The Palestinian call asked for a boycott of any business or institution participating directly or indirectly in the Israeli military occupation of Palestinian territories.

    Thus, even apart from Toys “R” Us‟ financial interests in the colonies, social justice- minded Canadians would still want to boycott Toys “R” Us for its involvement in Israel, in an effort to economically pressure Israel to cease its occupation.

    How is Toys “R” Us violating its own corporate commitments?

    Toys “R” Us‟ website states that the company strives to be a good corporate citizen through a commitment “to serving its communities as a caring and reputable neighbour through programs dedicated to keeping kids safe and helping them in times of need.”

    The website also elaborates on their stated corporate value of responsibility by affirming: “We believe that honesty, integrity, and compassion are the foundation upon which we work together and conduct our business.”

    Unfortunately, Toys “R” Us‟ involvement in Israel makes it impossible for the company to fulfill its stated goals. Palestinian children in the West Bank and Gaza Strip are systematically denied their rights
    by the Israeli government, and live in fear of violence at the hands of its army. Nearly 2,000 children have been killed by the Israeli Army since September 2000, more than one quarter of all Palestinians killed by the Israeli Army during that period. The 2008-2009 Gaza Assault left 56,000 children homeless and 431 children dead. Save the Children has also documented the regular and widespread abuse of Palestinian children in Israeli prisons, seven hundred of whom are imprisoned in the West Bank alone each year.

    By boycotting Toys “R” Us, the company is forced to consider Palestinian children under its commitment to protect the well-being of children around the world
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    What weapons of mass destruction are being provided by Toys R Us exactly?
    It's all in the link man....save the smartass comments. Thanks anyway for the opportunity to post more info for people to review:

    Toys “R” Us
    Factsheet Series 104 Created: November 2010, Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East

    What is Toys “R” Us’ involvement in Israel?

    Toys “R” Us is the world‟s largest toy retailer, with profits of over $300 million in 2009.The chain operates more than 1,500 stores worldwide, with twenty-six of these stores located in Israel, and two in Jerusalem.Toys “R” Us also sells three Israeli brands in its stores: Smart Trike, EduShape and Tiny Love. Together, these brands account for 124 products available at Toys “R” Us stores internationally. The Israeli chain of Toys “R” Us stores is owned by Super-Pharm, which operates franchises for many international companies that have expanded into the colonies.

    What is Toys “R” Us’ link to the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land?

    Super-Pharm, which is the Israeli branch of Shoppers Drug Mart, owns the Israeli chain of Toys “R” Us.
    Super-Pharm also has 137 drug stores across Israel, and at least three in the Ma‟ale Edomim, Pisgat Ze-ev and Gilo illegal Israeli colonies established within the occupied Palestinian territories.
    Also, 18% of Super-Pharm‟s shares are held by Bank Leumi,which operates several branches in the occupied Palestinian territories and the occupied Syrian Golan Heights,and whose main private owner is the State of Israel.

    The establishment of colonies and colonial infrastructure on occupied territories is illegal according to Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, and is considered a war crime according to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. Toys “R” Us‟ partnership with Super-Pharm means that it is profiting from the illegal colonization of Palestine, and is signalling its consent for this colonization through its continued financial ties with the colonies. By entering into business with Super-Pharm, which makes its profit by providing for the needs of colonist communities, Toys “R” Us is also complicit in normalizing the lives of colonists who are illegally colonizing Palestinian land.

    Why boycott Toys “R” Us?

    Toys “R” Us‟ investments in Israel are in violation of the UN Norms on the Responsibilities of Transnational Corporations and other Business with Regard to Human Rights, which outline the responsibilities of businesses to comply with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and other UN treaties. Article 3 (Section C) of the Norms forbids companies from engaging in and profiting from war crimes, crimes against humanity, and any other violation of international law. Corporations are also prohibited from engaging in actions that obstruct or impede economic, social, cultural, civil and political rights.Super-Pharm is actively supporting Israel‟s violations of international humanitarian law by investing heavily in the colonies, therefore Toys “R” Us‟ partnership with Super-Pharm means that Toys “R” Us also stands in violation of the Norms.

    Toys “R” Us also contributes to the Israeli economy by operating stores in Israel and by selling Israeli products. This financial investment in the state of Israel is problematic because it represents a signal to the Israeli government that apartheid and other war crimes it perpetrates are acceptable. The Norms stipulate that corporations must refrain from any activity which supports, solicits, or encourages states or any other entities to abuse human rights.

    Accordingly, Toys “R” Us should not invest in, nor profit from, a state that systematically violates the rights of Arab citizens of Israel, and Palestinian residents of the occupied territories.

    It is also important to note that in July 2005, more than 170 Palestinian civil society organizations issued a call asking the international community to boycott Israeli products in order to promote recognition of the Palestinians right to self-determination. The Palestinian call asked for a boycott of any business or institution participating directly or indirectly in the Israeli military occupation of Palestinian territories.

    Thus, even apart from Toys “R” Us‟ financial interests in the colonies, social justice- minded Canadians would still want to boycott Toys “R” Us for its involvement in Israel, in an effort to economically pressure Israel to cease its occupation.

    How is Toys “R” Us violating its own corporate commitments?

    Toys “R” Us‟ website states that the company strives to be a good corporate citizen through a commitment “to serving its communities as a caring and reputable neighbour through programs dedicated to keeping kids safe and helping them in times of need.”

    The website also elaborates on their stated corporate value of responsibility by affirming: “We believe that honesty, integrity, and compassion are the foundation upon which we work together and conduct our business.”

    Unfortunately, Toys “R” Us‟ involvement in Israel makes it impossible for the company to fulfill its stated goals. Palestinian children in the West Bank and Gaza Strip are systematically denied their rights
    by the Israeli government, and live in fear of violence at the hands of its army. Nearly 2,000 children have been killed by the Israeli Army since September 2000, more than one quarter of all Palestinians killed by the Israeli Army during that period. The 2008-2009 Gaza Assault left 56,000 children homeless and 431 children dead. Save the Children has also documented the regular and widespread abuse of Palestinian children in Israeli prisons, seven hundred of whom are imprisoned in the West Bank alone each year.

    By boycotting Toys “R” Us, the company is forced to consider Palestinian children under its commitment to protect the well-being of children around the world

    It wasn't a smart ass comment, it was a question. So, thanks for the info, even if you had to be an ass about it.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056

    It wasn't a smart ass comment, it was a question. So, thanks for the info, even if you had to be an ass about it.
    So you were seriously asking what weapons of mass destruction are sold by Toys R Us? ok, my mistake :roll:
  • Im having fun imagining some people on the Train having to eliminate ALL the Caterpillar products from their lives...

    http://www.cat.com/equipment

    Let's see- no more Hydraulic Excavators, Asphalt Pavers, or Track Loaders.


    Oh no, how will you get that highway built?


    Funniest day ever on the Train. :lol:
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    It wasn't a smart ass comment, it was a question. So, thanks for the info, even if you had to be an ass about it.
    So you were seriously asking what weapons of mass destruction are sold by Toys R Us? ok, my mistake :roll:

    these had to be the best posts I seen in a while,I can't stop laughing !!!
    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    Godfather.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    I found this article to have rather ironic timing concerning this thread...

    http://news.yahoo.com/caterpillar-profit-surges-past-expectations-130852225.html

    Caterpillar profit jumps 58 percent
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!