Parents Keep Child’s Gender Under Wraps
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according to the OED:
obnoxious - adjective - extremely unpleasant
origin from LATIN obnoxius 'exposed to harm'
there are those of you here who are of the opinion that these parents in deciding not to reveal their babys gender publicly are harming this child in some way. when all they are doing is denying you access to information you all seem to think is your right. suck it up... its not your business. and if you think it is then youve got way too much time on your hands.hear my name
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catefrances wrote:according to the OED:
obnoxious - adjective - extremely unpleasant
origin from LATIN obnoxius 'exposed to harm'
there are those of you here who are of the opinion that these parents in deciding not to reveal their babys gender publicly are harming this child in some way. when all they are doing is denying you access to information you all seem to think is your right. suck it up... its not your business. and if you think it is then youve got way too much time on your hands.
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catefrances wrote:according to the OED:
obnoxious - adjective - extremely unpleasant
origin from LATIN obnoxius 'exposed to harm'
there are those of you here who are of the opinion that these parents in deciding not to reveal their babys gender publicly are harming this child in some way. when all they are doing is denying you access to information you all seem to think is your right. suck it up... its not your business. and if you think it is then youve got way too much time on your hands.
It's the child's right, not the parents.
Sure, the child needs someone to speak for him/her, but the question comes down to whether these parents are doing an effective job of doing that. They "can" obviously do what they did. But, if they didn't know one would be talking about them.
I'd say the parents behavior is obnoxious:
ob·nox·ious
adj \äb-ˈnäk-shəs, əb-\
Definition of OBNOXIOUS
1
archaic : exposed to something unpleasant or harmful —used with to
2
archaic : deserving of censure
3
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inlet13 wrote:catefrances wrote:according to the OED:
obnoxious - adjective - extremely unpleasant
origin from LATIN obnoxius 'exposed to harm'
there are those of you here who are of the opinion that these parents in deciding not to reveal their babys gender publicly are harming this child in some way. when all they are doing is denying you access to information you all seem to think is your right. suck it up... its not your business. and if you think it is then youve got way too much time on your hands.
It's the child's right, not the parents.
That's EXACTLY the parents' point. They've been clear that they are just letting the child decide if/when to disclose his/her sex, rather disclosing it to everyone without giving the child a choice in the matter.0 -
_ wrote:inlet13 wrote:catefrances wrote:according to the OED:
obnoxious - adjective - extremely unpleasant
origin from LATIN obnoxius 'exposed to harm'
there are those of you here who are of the opinion that these parents in deciding not to reveal their babys gender publicly are harming this child in some way. when all they are doing is denying you access to information you all seem to think is your right. suck it up... its not your business. and if you think it is then youve got way too much time on your hands.
It's the child's right, not the parents.
That's EXACTLY the parents' point. They've been clear that they are just letting the child decide if/when to disclose his/her sex, rather disclosing it to everyone without giving the child a choice in the matter.
No, it is not. THEY are making a decision to withhold the child's sex.
They can do that if they want. But, I can also say they are horrible parents that are making a socially liberal point (which is stupid) at the expense of their own child's well-being.Here's a new demo called "in the fire":
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This child is going to wonder... why me and not my brothers?
Why was I treated differently?
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inlet13 wrote:_ wrote:inlet13 wrote:It's the child's right, not the parents.
That's EXACTLY the parents' point. They've been clear that they are just letting the child decide if/when to disclose his/her sex, rather disclosing it to everyone without giving the child a choice in the matter.
No, it is not. THEY are making a decision to withhold the child's sex.
They can do that if they want. But, I can also say they are horrible parents that are making a socially liberal point (which is stupid) at the expense of their own child's well-being.
Please (re-)read the article and show me where they said they are not allowing the child to disclose his/her own sex.
Just because someone doesn't provide information to others about SOMEONE ELSE'S genitals, doesn't mean they are deciding for that person that the information will be withheld. For instance, just because I don't chose to tell everyone about some guy's tiny penis, even if they ask and think they have a right to know, it doesn't mean I am personally making the decision to withhold this information on behalf of the guy. He is still free to tell whoever he wants - just like the parents of this child have explicitly said that s/he will be free to share his/her gender if s/he wants to.
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A COUPLE who concealed the sex of their child and raised it as 'gender neutral' for FIVE YEARS have finally revealed - it's a BOY.
Beck Laxton, 46, and partner Kieran Cooper, 44, decided not to reveal baby Sasha's gender in the hope it would let its 'real' personality shine through.
They referred to it as "The Infant" and only allowed their child to play with 'gender-neutral toys' in their television-free home.
During the first five years of his life, Sasha has alternated between girls' and boys' outfits, leaving friends, playmates and relatives guessing.
But Beck and Kieran have finally revealed his masculinity to the world after it became harder to conceal when Sasha started primary school.
Yesterday Beck, a web editor, said: "I wanted to avoid all that stereotyping. Stereotypes seem fundamentally stupid. Why would you want to slot people into boxes?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4075523/Its-a-boy-Couple-reveal-sex-of-their-gender-neutral-kid-after-five-years.html
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I could probably stereotype Beck ... :geek:
Good luck, little dude! Hopefully everything will work out and you will avoid an adult life crammed full of therapy.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
Jason P wrote:A COUPLE who concealed the sex of their child and raised it as 'gender neutral' for FIVE YEARS have finally revealed - it's a BOY.
Beck Laxton, 46, and partner Kieran Cooper, 44, decided not to reveal baby Sasha's gender in the hope it would let its 'real' personality shine through.
They referred to it as "The Infant" and only allowed their child to play with 'gender-neutral toys' in their television-free home.
During the first five years of his life, Sasha has alternated between girls' and boys' outfits, leaving friends, playmates and relatives guessing.
But Beck and Kieran have finally revealed his masculinity to the world after it became harder to conceal when Sasha started primary school.
Yesterday Beck, a web editor, said: "I wanted to avoid all that stereotyping. Stereotypes seem fundamentally stupid. Why would you want to slot people into boxes?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4075523/Its-a-boy-Couple-reveal-sex-of-their-gender-neutral-kid-after-five-years.html
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I could probably stereotype Beck ... :geek:
Good luck, little dude! Hopefully everything will work out and you will avoid an adult life crammed full of therapy.
Nicely done. Very sad. I hope everything works out for him. I wonder if they will ever reveal what toys he liked the best and what outfits he preferred to wear.
Some of that article really bothered me though... she would "ban" finding out the sex of the child via ultrasound. Really? So you are upset that others don't like your choice and now you want to force your choice on others?
Oh, and the fact that when the kid liked running around naked outside, they stopped him specifically so he didn't reveal his gender and then encouraged dolls to play with specifically to hide his gender more. I thought the purpose was to allow him to play with what he liked, not what someone told him was the right toy to play with.
I honestly think that the boy's parents still choose all his toys and how long her could play with them for their little experiment and to try to ensure a specific outcome. How is that different than what other people do that they were claiming to be such a travesty.
I have a little girl. Sure, she has all the little girl stuff now. She had a mix of toys as a baby/toddler, she naturally gravitated towards the princess, fairies, etc toys. Now she is into Dinosaurs. I just think you let them run with their interests. Is there some social norms that sway them, I'm sure, but you can't tell me that the boy wasn't swayed by his parents social norms. She even said so herself. Sad.hippiemom = goodness0 -
calm down everyone... the boy will be going to school soon enough and will be subjected to all the sexist stereotypes and prejudices that society has to offer.hear my name
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catefrances wrote:calm down everyone... the boy will be going to school soon enough and will be subjected to all the sexist stereotypes and prejudices that society has to offer.
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Children are not science projects! :(0
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Are parents just lazy and use the excuse to let there child “be what they want to be” because it takes to much effort for them to teach there children? I see it every day….kids with no manners because most of there parents do not have them themselves or is it the parent feels that a child can act however they want to express there individuality? Girls are different from boys and it is the parents JOB to teach there children the freaking difference! Example…Girls do not sit with there legs spread especially when wearing a dress. Boys do not hit girls.
Children need to be trained and taught what is expected from them as a human, as a girl or boy, as a mother, as a father, as a citizen of society. When you do not teach your children, they become brats or just plain confused.“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
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DinghyDog wrote:pandora wrote:Children are not science projects! :(
I agree with you, but I don't think these people believe they are doing anything to harm their child. I think they think they are doing the best thing. While I think it is a silly idea, and a bit mean to the grandparents, I don't think it is child abuse and I don't feel it will do any real long term harm. Once people know the baby's sex, in a year or two, the baby won't even remember that noone else knew its sex.
I just think that what they've done with their other sons is extreme enough and has proved their point that what sex the children are should not have to influence their preferences.
we catch those vibes, we bond, identify differences, mimic, store in our subconscious...
it all makes us us
and yes you might be right about remembering
but boy the big brothers won't let this child forget :?
Really comes down to being made different ... to feel different within the family...
this child will wonder why ... the extended family will wonder why
do the parents think it is abuse ? ... they are obtuse ... really
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DinghyDog wrote:I agree with eveything you said. And I do think it is unfair to the boy and his family. And I do think his parents are grandstanding. But I just can't bring myself to judge them as bad people or not caring for their child, because I think they are doing what they think is right, and as parents that's really all we can do, so who am I to judge when I'm sure I've made my own mistakes and I've certainly seen people make what I think are bigger mistakes than these parents, yet they are still doing their best. It's just that we all have a different idea of what is best.
Yes, all parents make mistakes but the biggest is putting themselves before their child
which in my opinion is just what these parents did0
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