Mitt wins NH

Nevermind90 · January 2012

just shaking my head, i wont care more about politics in us from now on...

Ron Paul was the only interesting thing happened around for a looong time and ppl just didnt care enough..

take care americans... you will need it

fife · January 2012

wow you think it RP would HANDILY beat Obama? i will give you that RP would have a chance in beating Obama but i don't see him beating him handily. if you look at the poll i put up one major issue that rP has would be to get the conservative vote out. no matter who runs this is going to be a close race.[/quote]

the neo-cons may not like voting for Paul but they would in droves if it means getting the Marxist out of the oval office because he is weak on terror[/quote]

you might be right but i have a hard time believing that. that sounds alot like when John Kerry was going against Bush and that didn't happen.

Godfather. · January 2012

Nevermind90 wrote:

just shaking my head, i wont care more about politics in us from now on...

Ron Paul was the only interesting thing happened around for a looong time and ppl just didnt care enough..

take care americans... you will need it

:wave: ....com'on man this is the Train not the popular vote,nothing on here makes any political difference
in the world what so ever,we're a small group of people that have different ideas and views and sometimes different diffenitions for thing's....and that's about it man...other than my spelling.

Godfather.

Nevermind90 · January 2012

Whats better with Romney then obama?

fife · January 2012

Nevermind90 wrote:

Whats better with Romney then obama?

well, i am not a follower of Mitt but i would guess that the people who would vote for him would say that Mitt would lower taxes, bring more jobs and also get rid of obamacare.

i personally believe that you can ask the same question about anyone running for president

Jeanwah · January 2012

fife wrote:

Nevermind90 wrote:

Whats better with Romney then obama?

well, i am not a follower of Mitt but i would guess that the people who would vote for him would say that Mitt would lower taxes, bring more jobs and also get rid of obamacare.

i personally believe that you can ask the same question about anyone running for president

And they're all LYING!!!

I have to get out of these political threads. It's very frustrating to see that people think the country can be turned around with the election of a new man. It's a systemic problem and it doesn't matter who wins the election because things will always be the same as long as government is not overhauled. The entire system.

fife · January 2012

Jeanwah wrote:

fife wrote:

Nevermind90 wrote:

Whats better with Romney then obama?

well, i am not a follower of Mitt but i would guess that the people who would vote for him would say that Mitt would lower taxes, bring more jobs and also get rid of obamacare.

i personally believe that you can ask the same question about anyone running for president

And they're all LYING!!!

I have to get out of these political threads. It's very frustrating to see that people think the country can be turned around with the election of a new man. It's a systemic problem and it doesn't matter who wins the election because things will always be the same as long as government is not overhauled. The entire system.

i hope you don't think i am saying that Mitt will do this. for me the president id owned by the people who pay for the campaigns.

Can i asked you what you mean by overhauled? do you mean just voting the people out or changing the whole system and if that what would you change?

inlet13 · January 2012

Jeanwah wrote:

fife wrote:

Nevermind90 wrote:

Whats better with Romney then obama?

well, i am not a follower of Mitt but i would guess that the people who would vote for him would say that Mitt would lower taxes, bring more jobs and also get rid of obamacare.

i personally believe that you can ask the same question about anyone running for president

And they're all LYING!!!

I have to get out of these political threads. It's very frustrating to see that people think the country can be turned around with the election of a new man. It's a systemic problem and it doesn't matter who wins the election because things will always be the same as long as government is not overhauled. The entire system.

Under normal circumstances, I would agree with this. I mean Obama was the prototypical example. He promised Hope and Change... we got pretty much the status quo.

As for Ron Paul, I believe he's different. And I do think him winning the nomination, or even continuing to do what he is doing now, will matter. In fact, I think him winning the nomination or even coming close will do more "politically" then him winning the general election. Ron Paul is an idea candidate. People aren't voting for Ron Paul or supporting him because of "Ron Paul" himself. It's his ideas. It's his platform that is captivating. It isn't easily identified with the status quo R or D. This is the reason he matters. Because in order to "CHANGE" things, you need to alter party PLATFORMS. The two party system is not changing any time soon. And the two political parties base themselves on PLATFORMS. Typically, there's little difference between two Democrats because the platform is identical. Same with Republicans. And once in office, typically the Dems vs. R's platforms can either be polarized (where nothing is accomplished) on certain issues or similar (where we do what we always have) on certain issues, this leaves the American public with the status quo... because nothing changes on the polarized issues and nothing changes on the non-polarized issues.

Ron Paul is changing that mindset.... because his platform differs pointblank in some ways from the "R" label. This guy is for real, and supporting him now matters more than supporting a President in my opinion because this could alter platforms for years to come. Republicans can't hide from this guy (and his ideas) if he keeps winning.

That's why I don't necessarily agree that change starts from the ground up. Change starts from persistent people who really believe something, whether it be local or larger. In this case, Ron Paul is larger.... and I do believe supporting him could enacti more change (even if he doesn't win) than supporting any candidate in recent times.

Go Beavers · January 2012

polaris_x wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/what-mitts-win-means/

well at this point anybody but Obama pleeeaaasse !
think I may vote for Santorum at this point, I like Paul but I feel like his votes will only add to the Obama wagon if he does not win.....aughhhhhhhh !!!

Godfather.

ron paul would crush obama in a federal election ... you can pretty much guarantee every republican would vote for him plus now all the dems that a) are dissatisfied with obama and b) are opposed to US foreign policy

Head to head Obama is up about 7% on Ron Paul. Apparently not everyone has a woodrow for the guy.

Jeanwah · January 2012

fife wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

fife wrote:

well, i am not a follower of Mitt but i would guess that the people who would vote for him would say that Mitt would lower taxes, bring more jobs and also get rid of obamacare.

i personally believe that you can ask the same question about anyone running for president

And they're all LYING!!!

I have to get out of these political threads. It's very frustrating to see that people think the country can be turned around with the election of a new man. It's a systemic problem and it doesn't matter who wins the election because things will always be the same as long as government is not overhauled. The entire system.

i hope you don't think i am saying that Mitt will do this. for me the president id owned by the people who pay for the campaigns.

Can i asked you what you mean by overhauled? do you mean just voting the people out or changing the whole system and if that what would you change?

The entire system needs to be changed for any real change to take place.

fife · January 2012

well, i am not a follower of Mitt but i would guess that the people who would vote for him would say that Mitt would lower taxes, bring more jobs and also get rid of obamacare.

i personally believe that you can ask the same question about anyone running for president[/quote]

And they're all LYING!!!

I have to get out of these political threads. It's very frustrating to see that people think the country can be turned around with the election of a new man. It's a systemic problem and it doesn't matter who wins the election because things will always be the same as long as government is not overhauled. The entire system.[/quote]

Under normal circumstances, I would agree with this. I mean Obama was the prototypical example. He promised Hope and Change... we got pretty much the status quo.

As for Ron Paul, I believe he's different. And I do think him winning the nomination, or even continuing to do what he is doing now, will matter. In fact, I think him winning the nomination or even coming close will do more "politically" then him winning the general election. Ron Paul is an idea candidate. People aren't voting for Ron Paul or supporting him because of "Ron Paul" himself. It's his ideas. It's his platform that is captivating. It isn't easily identified with the status quo R or D. This is the reason he matters. Because in order to "CHANGE" things, you need to alter party PLATFORMS. The two party system is not changing any time soon. And the two political parties base themselves on PLATFORMS. Typically, there's little difference between two Democrats because the platform is identical. Same with Republicans. And once in office, typically the Dems vs. R's platforms can either be polarized (where nothing is accomplished) on certain issues or similar (where we do what we always have) on certain issues, this leaves the American public with the status quo... because nothing changes on the polarized issues and nothing changes on the non-polarized issues.

Ron Paul is changing that mindset.... because his platform differs pointblank in some ways from the "R" label. This guy is for real, and supporting him now matters more than supporting a President in my opinion because this could alter platforms for years to come. Republicans can't hide from this guy (and his ideas) if he keeps winning.

That's why I don't necessarily agree that change starts from the ground up. Change starts from persistent people who really believe something, whether it be local or larger. In this case, Ron Paul is larger.... and I do believe supporting him could enacti more change (even if he doesn't win) than supporting any candidate in recent times.[/quote]

While not a fan of RP i can appreciate and commend you on your loyalty. for you and for the people who believe in what you believe i hope that you will have a leader who carries what RP has brought.

pjl44 · January 2012

ledvedderman wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

Winning the youth vote in a GOP primary is one thing. Winning it in a general election is another thing. We can't have any true idea of how Paul is tracking with young independents and Democrats until South Carolina's open primary.

but you already have the true idea that Paul stands zero chance in a general election

Ron Paul would have zero chance against the President. Zero. I believe you said

so which is it...do we not know how he is tracking or do we know he stands zero chance?

Zero. He has zero chance. Even if he pulls some Dems in SC is not a big deal that shows a trend for the country.

CBS News poll showed, heads up, Obama 46% and Paul 45% with a +/- 3 margin of error. Slightly better than zero, chief.

pjl44 · January 2012

Nevermind90 wrote:

just shaking my head, i wont care more about politics in us from now on...

Ron Paul was the only interesting thing happened around for a looong time and ppl just didnt care enough..

take care americans... you will need it

You ain't kidding, man.

fife · January 2012

Jeanwah wrote:

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And they're all LYING!!!

I have to get out of these political threads. It's very frustrating to see that people think the country can be turned around with the election of a new man. It's a systemic problem and it doesn't matter who wins the election because things will always be the same as long as government is not overhauled. The entire system.

i hope you don't think i am saying that Mitt will do this. for me the president id owned by the people who pay for the campaigns.

Can i asked you what you mean by overhauled? do you mean just voting the people out or changing the whole system and if that what would you change?[/quote]
The entire system needs to be changed for any real change to take place.[/quote]

what would that look like?

Jeanwah · January 2012

fife wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

[
And they're all LYING!!!

I have to get out of these political threads. It's very frustrating to see that people think the country can be turned around with the election of a new man. It's a systemic problem and it doesn't matter who wins the election because things will always be the same as long as government is not overhauled. The entire system.

i hope you don't think i am saying that Mitt will do this. for me the president id owned by the people who pay for the campaigns.

Can i asked you what you mean by overhauled? do you mean just voting the people out or changing the whole system and if that what would you change?

The entire system needs to be changed for any real change to take place.[/quote]

what would that look like?[/quote]

You're looking to the wrong person for that sort of answer... unless a complete revolution takes place.

pjl44 · January 2012

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

let's not forget about all of the seniors on medicare and social security who would be cutting their own throats if they voted for paul. and it is seniors who always vote...

Cutting their own throats how? Holy shit are you buying into propaganda.

Nevermind90 · January 2012

Every candidate other than Ron Paul is unfit to lead this country at this desperate time in history! The ethical logic of Ron Paul cannot be gainsaid. The façade of patriotism leads the other candidates to never publicly question the morality of American dealings here and abroad. RON PAUL ALONE is the honest candidate when he presents his assertion that to find the best solution to a given problem we must have wisdom to understand the cause and effect of why things are the way they are.

Mitt wins NH

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