Everyone comes home when it's time for a general election. You're right, people do vote D or R in a general election, and Democrats are not disenchanted enough with the President to flip to voting for a Republican. No matter who it is. The problem in Washington isn't a trickle down problem where getting rid of the President will turn everything around. It's a bottoms up approach, and that's been when I've said to Paul supporters for four years now. 1) Ron Paul will never be his party's candidate for President or win President, 2) Start local and make your way up. That's how you bring change to the system.
Congress is where the true problem is. Change Congress and then you can change the thinking of the executive branch.[/quote]
see i don't think it is just congress. the main issues that i see as an outsider (and if i am wrong please forgive) is that the American public is angry and divided. you always hear that the American people want congress to work together but then they pick groups who are so strict in what they want that the word compromise is a bad word.
during one debate, i heard Mitt talk bad about Jon hunstman and him working for Obama and saying how can you do that as a rep. Jon said it straight when he said that this is the biggest issue in America. they put party ahead of the country.
Everyone comes home when it's time for a general election. You're right, people do vote D or R in a general election, and Democrats are not disenchanted enough with the President to flip to voting for a Republican. No matter who it is. The problem in Washington isn't a trickle down problem where getting rid of the President will turn everything around. It's a bottoms up approach, and that's been when I've said to Paul supporters for four years now. 1) Ron Paul will never be his party's candidate for President or win President, 2) Start local and make your way up. That's how you bring change to the system.
Congress is where the true problem is. Change Congress and then you can change the thinking of the executive branch.
i don't disagree with what you said ... i think you are missing the point tho ... if ron paul is the republican nominee - i think he will beat obama handily in a general election for the reasons i put forth ... there are a lot of disenchanted democrats now ...
Everyone comes home when it's time for a general election. You're right, people do vote D or R in a general election, and Democrats are not disenchanted enough with the President to flip to voting for a Republican. No matter who it is. The problem in Washington isn't a trickle down problem where getting rid of the President will turn everything around. It's a bottoms up approach, and that's been when I've said to Paul supporters for four years now. 1) Ron Paul will never be his party's candidate for President or win President, 2) Start local and make your way up. That's how you bring change to the system.
Congress is where the true problem is. Change Congress and then you can change the thinking of the executive branch.
i don't disagree with what you said ... i think you are missing the point tho ... if ron paul is the republican nominee - i think he will beat obama handily in a general election for the reasons i put forth ... there are a lot of disenchanted democrats now ...
wow you think it RP would HANDILY beat Obama? i will give you that RP would have a chance in beating Obama but i don't see him beating him handily. if you look at the poll i put up one major issue that rP has would be to get the conservative vote out. no matter who runs this is going to be a close race.
Winning the youth vote in a GOP primary is one thing. Winning it in a general election is another thing. We can't have any true idea of how Paul is tracking with young independents and Democrats until South Carolina's open primary.
but you already have the true idea that Paul stands zero chance in a general election
Ron Paul would have zero chance against the President. Zero. I believe you said
so which is it...do we not know how he is tracking or do we know he stands zero chance?
Zero. He has zero chance. Even if he pulls some Dems in SC is not a big deal that shows a trend for the country.
ok...I am glad you have an opinion at least...that is better than most people in the country in regards to politics.
but to say zero chance is just bullish and stubborn. If you said slight...I would probably agree with you there. I actually think he stands a better chance than most of the GOP candidates...but they are all getting a bump in the polls against Obama because it is their primary season, they are the ones in the news...the polls after the nomination (Paul has less of a chance getting the nomination than he does of winning the presidency) will be telling of how a candidate will agree
all in all people will support the republican(R) or the republican lite (D)...because that is all they know.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Everyone comes home when it's time for a general election. You're right, people do vote D or R in a general election, and Democrats are not disenchanted enough with the President to flip to voting for a Republican. No matter who it is. The problem in Washington isn't a trickle down problem where getting rid of the President will turn everything around. It's a bottoms up approach, and that's been when I've said to Paul supporters for four years now. 1) Ron Paul will never be his party's candidate for President or win President, 2) Start local and make your way up. That's how you bring change to the system.
Congress is where the true problem is. Change Congress and then you can change the thinking of the executive branch.
i don't disagree with what you said ... i think you are missing the point tho ... if ron paul is the republican nominee - i think he will beat obama handily in a general election for the reasons i put forth ... there are a lot of disenchanted democrats now ...
wow you think it RP would HANDILY beat Obama? i will give you that RP would have a chance in beating Obama but i don't see him beating him handily. if you look at the poll i put up one major issue that rP has would be to get the conservative vote out. no matter who runs this is going to be a close race.
the neo-cons may not like voting for Paul but they would in droves if it means getting the Marxist out of the oval office because he is weak on terror
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I'm not a betting man, but if I were I would take this bet in a heartbeat. "Ron Paul would crush Obama"...seriously? Ron Paul would have zero chance against the President. Zero. I'm not even sure where the political logic is coming from that would lead one to believe that Ron Paul's policies would go over well in Michigan, Florida, and Pennsylvania. It's beyond absurd.
here is my logic:
for the majority of voters in a presidential election - they vote based on partisanship ... that means they are gonna vote R or D ... the rest including independents are gonna vote who they like best ... there is a lot of disenchanted democrats right now ... at the very least - ron paul offers up the singular best hope of breaking the corruption in gov't ... i'm not necessarily saying he will and can but at least - that is what he is running on ... his foreign policy agenda will appeal to all the peaceniks ... i think based on disillusioned dems and the youth and peaceniks - it will be the base that will allow him to defeat obama ...
Everyone comes home when it's time for a general election. You're right, people do vote D or R in a general election, and Democrats are not disenchanted enough with the President to flip to voting for a Republican. No matter who it is. The problem in Washington isn't a trickle down problem where getting rid of the President will turn everything around. It's a bottoms up approach, and that's been when I've said to Paul supporters for four years now. 1) Ron Paul will never be his party's candidate for President or win President, 2) Start local and make your way up. That's how you bring change to the system.
Congress is where the true problem is. Change Congress and then you can change the thinking of the executive branch.
well said
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
wow you think it RP would HANDILY beat Obama? i will give you that RP would have a chance in beating Obama but i don't see him beating him handily. if you look at the poll i put up one major issue that rP has would be to get the conservative vote out. no matter who runs this is going to be a close race.
i think the way the voting system is set up along with partisanship will make any 2 candidates a close race ... i do think tho that ron paul could make many non-republicans vote R ... the singular issue of foreign policy alone makes him worth voting for ... obama had his chance to prove he would fight the corruptness and he sold out ... i don't think ron paul can beat the system (they would kill him if they have to) but i would like to see him try ... no one else is running on destroying the military industrial complex ... which is second only to global warming in causing worldwide suffering ...
wow you think it RP would HANDILY beat Obama? i will give you that RP would have a chance in beating Obama but i don't see him beating him handily. if you look at the poll i put up one major issue that rP has would be to get the conservative vote out. no matter who runs this is going to be a close race.[/quote]
the neo-cons may not like voting for Paul but they would in droves if it means getting the Marxist out of the oval office because he is weak on terror[/quote]
you might be right but i have a hard time believing that. that sounds alot like when John Kerry was going against Bush and that didn't happen.
just shaking my head, i wont care more about politics in us from now on...
Ron Paul was the only interesting thing happened around for a looong time and ppl just didnt care enough..
take care americans... you will need it
:wave: ....com'on man this is the Train not the popular vote,nothing on here makes any political difference
in the world what so ever,we're a small group of people that have different ideas and views and sometimes different diffenitions for thing's....and that's about it man...other than my spelling.
well, i am not a follower of Mitt but i would guess that the people who would vote for him would say that Mitt would lower taxes, bring more jobs and also get rid of obamacare.
i personally believe that you can ask the same question about anyone running for president
well, i am not a follower of Mitt but i would guess that the people who would vote for him would say that Mitt would lower taxes, bring more jobs and also get rid of obamacare.
i personally believe that you can ask the same question about anyone running for president
And they're all LYING!!!
I have to get out of these political threads. It's very frustrating to see that people think the country can be turned around with the election of a new man. It's a systemic problem and it doesn't matter who wins the election because things will always be the same as long as government is not overhauled. The entire system.
well, i am not a follower of Mitt but i would guess that the people who would vote for him would say that Mitt would lower taxes, bring more jobs and also get rid of obamacare.
i personally believe that you can ask the same question about anyone running for president
And they're all LYING!!!
I have to get out of these political threads. It's very frustrating to see that people think the country can be turned around with the election of a new man. It's a systemic problem and it doesn't matter who wins the election because things will always be the same as long as government is not overhauled. The entire system.
i hope you don't think i am saying that Mitt will do this. for me the president id owned by the people who pay for the campaigns.
Can i asked you what you mean by overhauled? do you mean just voting the people out or changing the whole system and if that what would you change?
well, i am not a follower of Mitt but i would guess that the people who would vote for him would say that Mitt would lower taxes, bring more jobs and also get rid of obamacare.
i personally believe that you can ask the same question about anyone running for president
And they're all LYING!!!
I have to get out of these political threads. It's very frustrating to see that people think the country can be turned around with the election of a new man. It's a systemic problem and it doesn't matter who wins the election because things will always be the same as long as government is not overhauled. The entire system.
Under normal circumstances, I would agree with this. I mean Obama was the prototypical example. He promised Hope and Change... we got pretty much the status quo.
As for Ron Paul, I believe he's different. And I do think him winning the nomination, or even continuing to do what he is doing now, will matter. In fact, I think him winning the nomination or even coming close will do more "politically" then him winning the general election. Ron Paul is an idea candidate. People aren't voting for Ron Paul or supporting him because of "Ron Paul" himself. It's his ideas. It's his platform that is captivating. It isn't easily identified with the status quo R or D. This is the reason he matters. Because in order to "CHANGE" things, you need to alter party PLATFORMS. The two party system is not changing any time soon. And the two political parties base themselves on PLATFORMS. Typically, there's little difference between two Democrats because the platform is identical. Same with Republicans. And once in office, typically the Dems vs. R's platforms can either be polarized (where nothing is accomplished) on certain issues or similar (where we do what we always have) on certain issues, this leaves the American public with the status quo... because nothing changes on the polarized issues and nothing changes on the non-polarized issues.
Ron Paul is changing that mindset.... because his platform differs pointblank in some ways from the "R" label. This guy is for real, and supporting him now matters more than supporting a President in my opinion because this could alter platforms for years to come. Republicans can't hide from this guy (and his ideas) if he keeps winning.
That's why I don't necessarily agree that change starts from the ground up. Change starts from persistent people who really believe something, whether it be local or larger. In this case, Ron Paul is larger.... and I do believe supporting him could enacti more change (even if he doesn't win) than supporting any candidate in recent times.
well at this point anybody but Obama pleeeaaasse !
think I may vote for Santorum at this point, I like Paul but I feel like his votes will only add to the Obama wagon if he does not win.....aughhhhhhhh !!!
Godfather.
ron paul would crush obama in a federal election ... you can pretty much guarantee every republican would vote for him plus now all the dems that a) are dissatisfied with obama and b) are opposed to US foreign policy
Head to head Obama is up about 7% on Ron Paul. Apparently not everyone has a woodrow for the guy.
well, i am not a follower of Mitt but i would guess that the people who would vote for him would say that Mitt would lower taxes, bring more jobs and also get rid of obamacare.
i personally believe that you can ask the same question about anyone running for president
And they're all LYING!!!
I have to get out of these political threads. It's very frustrating to see that people think the country can be turned around with the election of a new man. It's a systemic problem and it doesn't matter who wins the election because things will always be the same as long as government is not overhauled. The entire system.
i hope you don't think i am saying that Mitt will do this. for me the president id owned by the people who pay for the campaigns.
Can i asked you what you mean by overhauled? do you mean just voting the people out or changing the whole system and if that what would you change?
The entire system needs to be changed for any real change to take place.
well, i am not a follower of Mitt but i would guess that the people who would vote for him would say that Mitt would lower taxes, bring more jobs and also get rid of obamacare.
i personally believe that you can ask the same question about anyone running for president[/quote]
And they're all LYING!!!
I have to get out of these political threads. It's very frustrating to see that people think the country can be turned around with the election of a new man. It's a systemic problem and it doesn't matter who wins the election because things will always be the same as long as government is not overhauled. The entire system.[/quote]
Under normal circumstances, I would agree with this. I mean Obama was the prototypical example. He promised Hope and Change... we got pretty much the status quo.
As for Ron Paul, I believe he's different. And I do think him winning the nomination, or even continuing to do what he is doing now, will matter. In fact, I think him winning the nomination or even coming close will do more "politically" then him winning the general election. Ron Paul is an idea candidate. People aren't voting for Ron Paul or supporting him because of "Ron Paul" himself. It's his ideas. It's his platform that is captivating. It isn't easily identified with the status quo R or D. This is the reason he matters. Because in order to "CHANGE" things, you need to alter party PLATFORMS. The two party system is not changing any time soon. And the two political parties base themselves on PLATFORMS. Typically, there's little difference between two Democrats because the platform is identical. Same with Republicans. And once in office, typically the Dems vs. R's platforms can either be polarized (where nothing is accomplished) on certain issues or similar (where we do what we always have) on certain issues, this leaves the American public with the status quo... because nothing changes on the polarized issues and nothing changes on the non-polarized issues.
Ron Paul is changing that mindset.... because his platform differs pointblank in some ways from the "R" label. This guy is for real, and supporting him now matters more than supporting a President in my opinion because this could alter platforms for years to come. Republicans can't hide from this guy (and his ideas) if he keeps winning.
That's why I don't necessarily agree that change starts from the ground up. Change starts from persistent people who really believe something, whether it be local or larger. In this case, Ron Paul is larger.... and I do believe supporting him could enacti more change (even if he doesn't win) than supporting any candidate in recent times.[/quote]
While not a fan of RP i can appreciate and commend you on your loyalty. for you and for the people who believe in what you believe i hope that you will have a leader who carries what RP has brought.
Winning the youth vote in a GOP primary is one thing. Winning it in a general election is another thing. We can't have any true idea of how Paul is tracking with young independents and Democrats until South Carolina's open primary.
but you already have the true idea that Paul stands zero chance in a general election
Ron Paul would have zero chance against the President. Zero. I believe you said
so which is it...do we not know how he is tracking or do we know he stands zero chance?
Zero. He has zero chance. Even if he pulls some Dems in SC is not a big deal that shows a trend for the country.
CBS News poll showed, heads up, Obama 46% and Paul 45% with a +/- 3 margin of error. Slightly better than zero, chief.
I have to get out of these political threads. It's very frustrating to see that people think the country can be turned around with the election of a new man. It's a systemic problem and it doesn't matter who wins the election because things will always be the same as long as government is not overhauled. The entire system.
i hope you don't think i am saying that Mitt will do this. for me the president id owned by the people who pay for the campaigns.
Can i asked you what you mean by overhauled? do you mean just voting the people out or changing the whole system and if that what would you change?[/quote]
The entire system needs to be changed for any real change to take place.[/quote]
I have to get out of these political threads. It's very frustrating to see that people think the country can be turned around with the election of a new man. It's a systemic problem and it doesn't matter who wins the election because things will always be the same as long as government is not overhauled. The entire system.
i hope you don't think i am saying that Mitt will do this. for me the president id owned by the people who pay for the campaigns.
Can i asked you what you mean by overhauled? do you mean just voting the people out or changing the whole system and if that what would you change?
The entire system needs to be changed for any real change to take place.[/quote]
what would that look like?[/quote]
You're looking to the wrong person for that sort of answer... unless a complete revolution takes place.
let's not forget about all of the seniors on medicare and social security who would be cutting their own throats if they voted for paul. and it is seniors who always vote...
Cutting their own throats how? Holy shit are you buying into propaganda.
Every candidate other than Ron Paul is unfit to lead this country at this desperate time in history! The ethical logic of Ron Paul cannot be gainsaid. The façade of patriotism leads the other candidates to never publicly question the morality of American dealings here and abroad. RON PAUL ALONE is the honest candidate when he presents his assertion that to find the best solution to a given problem we must have wisdom to understand the cause and effect of why things are the way they are.
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oh man you Americans are weird
i could care less. but we are talking about republicans.
Congress is where the true problem is. Change Congress and then you can change the thinking of the executive branch.[/quote]
see i don't think it is just congress. the main issues that i see as an outsider (and if i am wrong please forgive) is that the American public is angry and divided. you always hear that the American people want congress to work together but then they pick groups who are so strict in what they want that the word compromise is a bad word.
during one debate, i heard Mitt talk bad about Jon hunstman and him working for Obama and saying how can you do that as a rep. Jon said it straight when he said that this is the biggest issue in America. they put party ahead of the country.
never. two mormons on the same ticket. you need at least 1 traditional christian to appease tthe base.[/quote]
oh man you Americans are weird
i could care less. but we are talking about republicans.[/quote]
its makes me laugh that our conservative party in Canada might be more liberal than you democrats
i don't disagree with what you said ... i think you are missing the point tho ... if ron paul is the republican nominee - i think he will beat obama handily in a general election for the reasons i put forth ... there are a lot of disenchanted democrats now ...
wow you think it RP would HANDILY beat Obama? i will give you that RP would have a chance in beating Obama but i don't see him beating him handily. if you look at the poll i put up one major issue that rP has would be to get the conservative vote out. no matter who runs this is going to be a close race.
but to say zero chance is just bullish and stubborn. If you said slight...I would probably agree with you there. I actually think he stands a better chance than most of the GOP candidates...but they are all getting a bump in the polls against Obama because it is their primary season, they are the ones in the news...the polls after the nomination (Paul has less of a chance getting the nomination than he does of winning the presidency) will be telling of how a candidate will agree
all in all people will support the republican(R) or the republican lite (D)...because that is all they know.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
the neo-cons may not like voting for Paul but they would in droves if it means getting the Marxist out of the oval office because he is weak on terror
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
well said
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
i think the way the voting system is set up along with partisanship will make any 2 candidates a close race ... i do think tho that ron paul could make many non-republicans vote R ... the singular issue of foreign policy alone makes him worth voting for ... obama had his chance to prove he would fight the corruptness and he sold out ... i don't think ron paul can beat the system (they would kill him if they have to) but i would like to see him try ... no one else is running on destroying the military industrial complex ... which is second only to global warming in causing worldwide suffering ...
Ron Paul was the only interesting thing happened around for a looong time and ppl just didnt care enough..
take care americans... you will need it
the neo-cons may not like voting for Paul but they would in droves if it means getting the Marxist out of the oval office because he is weak on terror[/quote]
you might be right but i have a hard time believing that. that sounds alot like when John Kerry was going against Bush and that didn't happen.
:wave: ....com'on man this is the Train not the popular vote,nothing on here makes any political difference
in the world what so ever,we're a small group of people that have different ideas and views and sometimes different diffenitions for thing's....and that's about it man...other than my spelling.
Godfather.
well, i am not a follower of Mitt but i would guess that the people who would vote for him would say that Mitt would lower taxes, bring more jobs and also get rid of obamacare.
i personally believe that you can ask the same question about anyone running for president
And they're all LYING!!!
I have to get out of these political threads. It's very frustrating to see that people think the country can be turned around with the election of a new man. It's a systemic problem and it doesn't matter who wins the election because things will always be the same as long as government is not overhauled. The entire system.
i hope you don't think i am saying that Mitt will do this. for me the president id owned by the people who pay for the campaigns.
Can i asked you what you mean by overhauled? do you mean just voting the people out or changing the whole system and if that what would you change?
Under normal circumstances, I would agree with this. I mean Obama was the prototypical example. He promised Hope and Change... we got pretty much the status quo.
As for Ron Paul, I believe he's different. And I do think him winning the nomination, or even continuing to do what he is doing now, will matter. In fact, I think him winning the nomination or even coming close will do more "politically" then him winning the general election. Ron Paul is an idea candidate. People aren't voting for Ron Paul or supporting him because of "Ron Paul" himself. It's his ideas. It's his platform that is captivating. It isn't easily identified with the status quo R or D. This is the reason he matters. Because in order to "CHANGE" things, you need to alter party PLATFORMS. The two party system is not changing any time soon. And the two political parties base themselves on PLATFORMS. Typically, there's little difference between two Democrats because the platform is identical. Same with Republicans. And once in office, typically the Dems vs. R's platforms can either be polarized (where nothing is accomplished) on certain issues or similar (where we do what we always have) on certain issues, this leaves the American public with the status quo... because nothing changes on the polarized issues and nothing changes on the non-polarized issues.
Ron Paul is changing that mindset.... because his platform differs pointblank in some ways from the "R" label. This guy is for real, and supporting him now matters more than supporting a President in my opinion because this could alter platforms for years to come. Republicans can't hide from this guy (and his ideas) if he keeps winning.
That's why I don't necessarily agree that change starts from the ground up. Change starts from persistent people who really believe something, whether it be local or larger. In this case, Ron Paul is larger.... and I do believe supporting him could enacti more change (even if he doesn't win) than supporting any candidate in recent times.
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Head to head Obama is up about 7% on Ron Paul. Apparently not everyone has a woodrow for the guy.
i personally believe that you can ask the same question about anyone running for president[/quote]
And they're all LYING!!!
I have to get out of these political threads. It's very frustrating to see that people think the country can be turned around with the election of a new man. It's a systemic problem and it doesn't matter who wins the election because things will always be the same as long as government is not overhauled. The entire system.[/quote]
Under normal circumstances, I would agree with this. I mean Obama was the prototypical example. He promised Hope and Change... we got pretty much the status quo.
As for Ron Paul, I believe he's different. And I do think him winning the nomination, or even continuing to do what he is doing now, will matter. In fact, I think him winning the nomination or even coming close will do more "politically" then him winning the general election. Ron Paul is an idea candidate. People aren't voting for Ron Paul or supporting him because of "Ron Paul" himself. It's his ideas. It's his platform that is captivating. It isn't easily identified with the status quo R or D. This is the reason he matters. Because in order to "CHANGE" things, you need to alter party PLATFORMS. The two party system is not changing any time soon. And the two political parties base themselves on PLATFORMS. Typically, there's little difference between two Democrats because the platform is identical. Same with Republicans. And once in office, typically the Dems vs. R's platforms can either be polarized (where nothing is accomplished) on certain issues or similar (where we do what we always have) on certain issues, this leaves the American public with the status quo... because nothing changes on the polarized issues and nothing changes on the non-polarized issues.
Ron Paul is changing that mindset.... because his platform differs pointblank in some ways from the "R" label. This guy is for real, and supporting him now matters more than supporting a President in my opinion because this could alter platforms for years to come. Republicans can't hide from this guy (and his ideas) if he keeps winning.
That's why I don't necessarily agree that change starts from the ground up. Change starts from persistent people who really believe something, whether it be local or larger. In this case, Ron Paul is larger.... and I do believe supporting him could enacti more change (even if he doesn't win) than supporting any candidate in recent times.[/quote]
While not a fan of RP i can appreciate and commend you on your loyalty. for you and for the people who believe in what you believe i hope that you will have a leader who carries what RP has brought.
CBS News poll showed, heads up, Obama 46% and Paul 45% with a +/- 3 margin of error. Slightly better than zero, chief.
You ain't kidding, man.
i hope you don't think i am saying that Mitt will do this. for me the president id owned by the people who pay for the campaigns.
Can i asked you what you mean by overhauled? do you mean just voting the people out or changing the whole system and if that what would you change?[/quote]
The entire system needs to be changed for any real change to take place.[/quote]
what would that look like?
what would that look like?[/quote]
You're looking to the wrong person for that sort of answer... unless a complete revolution takes place.
Cutting their own throats how? Holy shit are you buying into propaganda.