Mitt wins NH

Godfather.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... win-means/

well at this point anybody but Obama pleeeaaasse !
think I may vote for Santorum at this point, I like Paul but I feel like his votes will only add to the Obama wagon if he does not win.....aughhhhhhhh !!!

Godfather.

Nevermind90

I think its sick people tactical voting...

vote for what you believe in damn it!

Godfather.

Nevermind90 wrote:

I think its sick people tactical voting...

vote for what you believe in damn it!

sick people tactical ? please explain.

Godfather.

Nevermind90

voting tactical and not voting for what you believe in what is there to explain?

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looks like

Barry VS. Willard 2012!

Godfather.

Nevermind90 wrote:

voting tactical and not voting for what you believe in what is there to explain?

well then I'll vote for myself...you may vote for me also on the write in.


Godfather.

JonnyPistachio

Godfather. wrote:

think I may vote for Santorum at this point,

Why exactly?

polaris_x

Godfather. wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/what-mitts-win-means/

well at this point anybody but Obama pleeeaaasse !
think I may vote for Santorum at this point, I like Paul but I feel like his votes will only add to the Obama wagon if he does not win.....aughhhhhhhh !!!

Godfather.

ron paul would crush obama in a federal election ... you can pretty much guarantee every republican would vote for him plus now all the dems that a) are dissatisfied with obama and b) are opposed to US foreign policy

pandora

Watched his speech ...
so many promises, it made it too fake for me, not trusting this guy

none of the family could look the camera in the eye ...
gave me a funny feeling and not in a good way

I was thinking about SNL too and Mitt's facial expressions,
he's gonna be an easy, annoying one to do

there was a PJ fan in the crowd I think though
sounded just like me hootin' and hollerin' at a concert

oh and a wasted vote ... Ron Paul? How about him be a running mate that might be a smart
move for the party... yes no? maybe so?

polaris_x

pandora wrote:

oh and a wasted vote ... Ron Paul? How about him be a running mate that might be a smart
move for the party... yes no? maybe so?

not a chance ... paul is the anti-establishment vote ... the republicans don't want him anywhere near the white house ...

JonnyPistachio

polaris_x wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/what-mitts-win-means/

well at this point anybody but Obama pleeeaaasse !
think I may vote for Santorum at this point, I like Paul but I feel like his votes will only add to the Obama wagon if he does not win.....aughhhhhhhh !!!

Godfather.

ron paul would crush obama in a federal election ... you can pretty much guarantee every republican would vote for him plus now all the dems that a) are dissatisfied with obama and b) are opposed to US foreign policy

That's exactly why I was thinking Ron Paul might be the only one with a really good chance.

Jeanwah

polaris_x wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/what-mitts-win-means/

well at this point anybody but Obama pleeeaaasse !
think I may vote for Santorum at this point, I like Paul but I feel like his votes will only add to the Obama wagon if he does not win.....aughhhhhhhh !!!

Godfather.

ron paul would crush obama in a federal election ... you can pretty much guarantee every republican would vote for him plus now all the dems that a) are dissatisfied with obama and b) are opposed to US foreign policy

I don't think Paul would crush Obama. Remember that only the older population are shoe-ins for actually voting, with exception of the last presidential vote. Not enough young people are on board with him, let alone the idea of supporting a "Republican"...

Godfather.

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

think I may vote for Santorum at this point,

Why exactly?

well I'm still learning but I was reading about a Canadian oil line into the US that Obama blocked and honestly I think that oil line could play a huge part of getting this country headed back in the right direction
and Santorum is behind that idea...but still looking into him for more info.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

let's not forget about all of the seniors on medicare and social security who would be cutting their own throats if they voted for paul. and it is seniors who always vote...

JonnyPistachio

Godfather. wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

think I may vote for Santorum at this point,

Why exactly?

well I'm still learning but I was reading about a Canadian oil line into the US that Obama blocked and honestly I think that oil line could play a huge part of getting this country headed back in the right direction
and Santorum is behind that idea...but still looking into him for more info.

Godfather.

Ah, I hadnt heard of that. Interesting. I'll have to look into that.
I have only heard potential extremist religious social policies, and that he seems to like the idea of war with Iran. :shock:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

let's not forget about all of the seniors on medicare and social security who would be cutting their own throats if they voted for paul. and it is seniors who always vote...

True.

mikepegg44

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

let's not forget about all of the seniors on medicare and social security who would be cutting their own throats if they voted for paul. and it is seniors who always vote...

:roll: :( :shock: :evil:

you have got to be kidding me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qojv1bR ... r_embedded

start listening at about 245

transition =/= the "cutting of ones throat"

mikepegg44

pandora wrote:

Watched his speech ...
so many promises, it made it too fake for me, not trusting this guy

none of the family could look the camera in the eye ...
gave me a funny feeling and not in a good way

I was thinking about SNL too and Mitt's facial expressions,
he's gonna be an easy, annoying one to do

there was a PJ fan in the crowd I think though
sounded just like me hootin' and hollerin' at a concert

oh and a wasted vote ... Ron Paul? How about him be a running mate that might be a smart
move for the party... yes no? maybe so?

the only wasted vote is the one that votes against someone else.

ledvedderman

polaris_x wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/what-mitts-win-means/

well at this point anybody but Obama pleeeaaasse !
think I may vote for Santorum at this point, I like Paul but I feel like his votes will only add to the Obama wagon if he does not win.....aughhhhhhhh !!!

Godfather.

ron paul would crush obama in a federal election ... you can pretty much guarantee every republican would vote for him plus now all the dems that a) are dissatisfied with obama and b) are opposed to US foreign policy

I'm not a betting man, but if I were I would take this bet in a heartbeat. "Ron Paul would crush Obama"...seriously? Ron Paul would have zero chance against the President. Zero. I'm not even sure where the political logic is coming from that would lead one to believe that Ron Paul's policies would go over well in Michigan, Florida, and Pennsylvania. It's beyond absurd.

gimmesometruth27

mikepegg44 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

let's not forget about all of the seniors on medicare and social security who would be cutting their own throats if they voted for paul. and it is seniors who always vote...

:roll: :( :shock: :evil:

you have got to be kidding me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qojv1bR ... r_embedded

start listening at about 245

transition =/= the "cutting of ones throat"

i can't watch the video at work...

BUT

if the man supports the paul ryan budget, he supports gutting medicare, medicaid, and social security. especially for future generations, thus cutting their throat financially and insurance-wise...how can people on those programs now support themselves if they have no savings and are too old to go out and find a way to make some income? what if people can not make enough money to have enough savings to live on, especailly as people are living much longer now?

the libertarian ideals look good on paper, but would be a tragedy if ever implemented.

mikepegg44

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

let's not forget about all of the seniors on medicare and social security who would be cutting their own throats if they voted for paul. and it is seniors who always vote...

:roll: :( :shock: :evil:

you have got to be kidding me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qojv1bR ... r_embedded

start listening at about 245

transition =/= the "cutting of ones throat"

i can't watch the video at work...

BUT

if the man supports the paul ryan budget, he supports gutting medicare, medicaid, and social security. especially for future generations, thus cutting their throat financially and insurance-wise...how can people on those programs now support themselves if they have no savings and are too old to go out and find a way to make some income? what if people can not make enough money to have enough savings to live on, especailly as people are living much longer now?

the libertarian ideals look good on paper, but would be a tragedy if ever implemented.

watch it when you get home it answers your questions

by the way, Ron Paul voted against the Paul Ryan plan

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the speech was great last night. alot of redmeat republican talking points. i heard he used a teleprompter for the first time since iowa. i guess an advisor must have told mitt that being himself wasn't working.

inlet13

Jeanwah wrote:

I don't think Paul would crush Obama. Remember that only the older population are shoe-ins for actually voting, with exception of the last presidential vote. Not enough young people are on board with him, let alone the idea of supporting a "Republican"...

No offense, but this seems pretty flat out wrong,... Ron Paul is claiming pretty much all of the youth vote in these primaries. Just because Obama won it last go around in the general against McCain, doesn't mean he'd get it again. And at this rate, I'd heavily bet Ron Paul would win the youth vote against Obama. It's the seniors that Ron Paul would have trouble gathering in to his platform.

mikepegg44

inlet13 wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

I don't think Paul would crush Obama. Remember that only the older population are shoe-ins for actually voting, with exception of the last presidential vote. Not enough young people are on board with him, let alone the idea of supporting a "Republican"...

No offense, but this seems pretty flat out wrong,... Ron Paul is claiming pretty much all of the youth vote in these primaries. Just because Obama won it last go around in the general against McCain, doesn't mean he'd get it again. And at this rate, I'd heavily bet Ron Paul would win the youth vote against Obama. It's the seniors that Ron Paul would have trouble gathering in to his platform.

seniors pay attention, I think they would be able to sift through the demagoguery and get to the truth...

I don't need to ask you, but what good is medicare coverage when dollars mean nothing?

fife

the smart move for Mitt would be to get Hunstman as VP. it would be an interesting ticket at that point.

ledvedderman

inlet13 wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

I don't think Paul would crush Obama. Remember that only the older population are shoe-ins for actually voting, with exception of the last presidential vote. Not enough young people are on board with him, let alone the idea of supporting a "Republican"...

No offense, but this seems pretty flat out wrong,... Ron Paul is claiming pretty much all of the youth vote in these primaries. Just because Obama won it last go around in the general against McCain, doesn't mean he'd get it again. And at this rate, I'd heavily bet Ron Paul would win the youth vote against Obama. It's the seniors that Ron Paul would have trouble gathering in to his platform.

Winning the youth vote in a GOP primary is one thing. Winning it in a general election is another thing. We can't have any true idea of how Paul is tracking with young independents and Democrats until South Carolina's open primary.

mikepegg44

ledvedderman wrote:

Winning the youth vote in a GOP primary is one thing. Winning it in a general election is another thing. We can't have any true idea of how Paul is tracking with young independents and Democrats until South Carolina's open primary.

but you already have the true idea that Paul stands zero chance in a general election

Ron Paul would have zero chance against the President. Zero. I believe you said

so which is it...do we not know how he is tracking or do we know he stands zero chance?

polaris_x

ledvedderman wrote:

I'm not a betting man, but if I were I would take this bet in a heartbeat. "Ron Paul would crush Obama"...seriously? Ron Paul would have zero chance against the President. Zero. I'm not even sure where the political logic is coming from that would lead one to believe that Ron Paul's policies would go over well in Michigan, Florida, and Pennsylvania. It's beyond absurd.

here is my logic:

for the majority of voters in a presidential election - they vote based on partisanship ... that means they are gonna vote R or D ... the rest including independents are gonna vote who they like best ... there is a lot of disenchanted democrats right now ... at the very least - ron paul offers up the singular best hope of breaking the corruption in gov't ... i'm not necessarily saying he will and can but at least - that is what he is running on ... his foreign policy agenda will appeal to all the peaceniks ... i think based on disillusioned dems and the youth and peaceniks - it will be the base that will allow him to defeat obama ...

ledvedderman

mikepegg44 wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

Winning the youth vote in a GOP primary is one thing. Winning it in a general election is another thing. We can't have any true idea of how Paul is tracking with young independents and Democrats until South Carolina's open primary.

but you already have the true idea that Paul stands zero chance in a general election

Ron Paul would have zero chance against the President. Zero. I believe you said

so which is it...do we not know how he is tracking or do we know he stands zero chance?

Zero. He has zero chance. Even if he pulls some Dems in SC is not a big deal that shows a trend for the country.

fife

mikepegg44 wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

Winning the youth vote in a GOP primary is one thing. Winning it in a general election is another thing. We can't have any true idea of how Paul is tracking with young independents and Democrats until South Carolina's open primary.

but you already have the true idea that Paul stands zero chance in a general election

Ron Paul would have zero chance against the President. Zero. I believe you said

so which is it...do we not know how he is tracking or do we know he stands zero chance?

From a cbs poll amount independents. Ron Paul is beating Obama but its close.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2 ... -vs-obama/

I won's say that Paul can't beat Obama but the reason i could say that RP wont is because he first needs the nomination.

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fife wrote:

the smart move for Mitt would be to get Hunstman as VP. it would be an interesting ticket at that point.

never. two mormons on the same ticket. you need at least 1 traditional christian to appease tthe base.

ledvedderman

polaris_x wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

I'm not a betting man, but if I were I would take this bet in a heartbeat. "Ron Paul would crush Obama"...seriously? Ron Paul would have zero chance against the President. Zero. I'm not even sure where the political logic is coming from that would lead one to believe that Ron Paul's policies would go over well in Michigan, Florida, and Pennsylvania. It's beyond absurd.

here is my logic:

for the majority of voters in a presidential election - they vote based on partisanship ... that means they are gonna vote R or D ... the rest including independents are gonna vote who they like best ... there is a lot of disenchanted democrats right now ... at the very least - ron paul offers up the singular best hope of breaking the corruption in gov't ... i'm not necessarily saying he will and can but at least - that is what he is running on ... his foreign policy agenda will appeal to all the peaceniks ... i think based on disillusioned dems and the youth and peaceniks - it will be the base that will allow him to defeat obama ...

Everyone comes home when it's time for a general election. You're right, people do vote D or R in a general election, and Democrats are not disenchanted enough with the President to flip to voting for a Republican. No matter who it is. The problem in Washington isn't a trickle down problem where getting rid of the President will turn everything around. It's a bottoms up approach, and that's been when I've said to Paul supporters for four years now. 1) Ron Paul will never be his party's candidate for President or win President, 2) Start local and make your way up. That's how you bring change to the system.
Congress is where the true problem is. Change Congress and then you can change the thinking of the executive branch.