Mitt wins NH

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  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    Jeanwah wrote:

    I don't think Paul would crush Obama. Remember that only the older population are shoe-ins for actually voting, with exception of the last presidential vote. Not enough young people are on board with him, let alone the idea of supporting a "Republican"...


    No offense, but this seems pretty flat out wrong,... Ron Paul is claiming pretty much all of the youth vote in these primaries. Just because Obama won it last go around in the general against McCain, doesn't mean he'd get it again. And at this rate, I'd heavily bet Ron Paul would win the youth vote against Obama. It's the seniors that Ron Paul would have trouble gathering in to his platform.
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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    inlet13 wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:

    I don't think Paul would crush Obama. Remember that only the older population are shoe-ins for actually voting, with exception of the last presidential vote. Not enough young people are on board with him, let alone the idea of supporting a "Republican"...


    No offense, but this seems pretty flat out wrong,... Ron Paul is claiming pretty much all of the youth vote in these primaries. Just because Obama won it last go around in the general against McCain, doesn't mean he'd get it again. And at this rate, I'd heavily bet Ron Paul would win the youth vote against Obama. It's the seniors that Ron Paul would have trouble gathering in to his platform.


    seniors pay attention, I think they would be able to sift through the demagoguery and get to the truth...

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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    the smart move for Mitt would be to get Hunstman as VP. it would be an interesting ticket at that point.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    inlet13 wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:

    I don't think Paul would crush Obama. Remember that only the older population are shoe-ins for actually voting, with exception of the last presidential vote. Not enough young people are on board with him, let alone the idea of supporting a "Republican"...


    No offense, but this seems pretty flat out wrong,... Ron Paul is claiming pretty much all of the youth vote in these primaries. Just because Obama won it last go around in the general against McCain, doesn't mean he'd get it again. And at this rate, I'd heavily bet Ron Paul would win the youth vote against Obama. It's the seniors that Ron Paul would have trouble gathering in to his platform.

    Winning the youth vote in a GOP primary is one thing. Winning it in a general election is another thing. We can't have any true idea of how Paul is tracking with young independents and Democrats until South Carolina's open primary.
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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    ledvedderman wrote:

    Winning the youth vote in a GOP primary is one thing. Winning it in a general election is another thing. We can't have any true idea of how Paul is tracking with young independents and Democrats until South Carolina's open primary.

    but you already have the true idea that Paul stands zero chance in a general election

    Ron Paul would have zero chance against the President. Zero. I believe you said

    so which is it...do we not know how he is tracking or do we know he stands zero chance?
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I'm not a betting man, but if I were I would take this bet in a heartbeat. "Ron Paul would crush Obama"...seriously? Ron Paul would have zero chance against the President. Zero. I'm not even sure where the political logic is coming from that would lead one to believe that Ron Paul's policies would go over well in Michigan, Florida, and Pennsylvania. It's beyond absurd.

    here is my logic:

    for the majority of voters in a presidential election - they vote based on partisanship ... that means they are gonna vote R or D ... the rest including independents are gonna vote who they like best ... there is a lot of disenchanted democrats right now ... at the very least - ron paul offers up the singular best hope of breaking the corruption in gov't ... i'm not necessarily saying he will and can but at least - that is what he is running on ... his foreign policy agenda will appeal to all the peaceniks ... i think based on disillusioned dems and the youth and peaceniks - it will be the base that will allow him to defeat obama ...
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:

    Winning the youth vote in a GOP primary is one thing. Winning it in a general election is another thing. We can't have any true idea of how Paul is tracking with young independents and Democrats until South Carolina's open primary.

    but you already have the true idea that Paul stands zero chance in a general election

    Ron Paul would have zero chance against the President. Zero. I believe you said

    so which is it...do we not know how he is tracking or do we know he stands zero chance?

    Zero. He has zero chance. Even if he pulls some Dems in SC is not a big deal that shows a trend for the country.
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:

    Winning the youth vote in a GOP primary is one thing. Winning it in a general election is another thing. We can't have any true idea of how Paul is tracking with young independents and Democrats until South Carolina's open primary.

    but you already have the true idea that Paul stands zero chance in a general election

    Ron Paul would have zero chance against the President. Zero. I believe you said

    so which is it...do we not know how he is tracking or do we know he stands zero chance?

    From a cbs poll amount independents. Ron Paul is beating Obama but its close.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2 ... -vs-obama/

    I won's say that Paul can't beat Obama but the reason i could say that RP wont is because he first needs the nomination.
  • CH156378
    CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    edited January 2012
    fife wrote:
    the smart move for Mitt would be to get Hunstman as VP. it would be an interesting ticket at that point.

    never. two mormons on the same ticket. you need at least 1 traditional christian to appease tthe base.
    Post edited by CH156378 on
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    polaris_x wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I'm not a betting man, but if I were I would take this bet in a heartbeat. "Ron Paul would crush Obama"...seriously? Ron Paul would have zero chance against the President. Zero. I'm not even sure where the political logic is coming from that would lead one to believe that Ron Paul's policies would go over well in Michigan, Florida, and Pennsylvania. It's beyond absurd.

    here is my logic:

    for the majority of voters in a presidential election - they vote based on partisanship ... that means they are gonna vote R or D ... the rest including independents are gonna vote who they like best ... there is a lot of disenchanted democrats right now ... at the very least - ron paul offers up the singular best hope of breaking the corruption in gov't ... i'm not necessarily saying he will and can but at least - that is what he is running on ... his foreign policy agenda will appeal to all the peaceniks ... i think based on disillusioned dems and the youth and peaceniks - it will be the base that will allow him to defeat obama ...

    Everyone comes home when it's time for a general election. You're right, people do vote D or R in a general election, and Democrats are not disenchanted enough with the President to flip to voting for a Republican. No matter who it is. The problem in Washington isn't a trickle down problem where getting rid of the President will turn everything around. It's a bottoms up approach, and that's been when I've said to Paul supporters for four years now. 1) Ron Paul will never be his party's candidate for President or win President, 2) Start local and make your way up. That's how you bring change to the system.
    Congress is where the true problem is. Change Congress and then you can change the thinking of the executive branch.
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    CH156378 wrote:
    fife wrote:
    the smart move for Mitt would be to get Hunstman as VP. it would be an interesting ticket at that point.

    never. two mormons on the same ticket. you need at least 1 traditional christian to appease tthe base.

    oh man you Americans are weird ;) as a Canadian i find this very funny and sad.
  • CH156378
    CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    fife wrote:
    CH156378 wrote:
    fife wrote:
    the smart move for Mitt would be to get Hunstman as VP. it would be an interesting ticket at that point.

    never. two mormons on the same ticket. you need at least 1 traditional christian to appease tthe base.

    oh man you Americans are weird ;) as a Canadian i find this very funny and sad.

    i could care less. but we are talking about republicans.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Everyone comes home when it's time for a general election. You're right, people do vote D or R in a general election, and Democrats are not disenchanted enough with the President to flip to voting for a Republican. No matter who it is. The problem in Washington isn't a trickle down problem where getting rid of the President will turn everything around. It's a bottoms up approach, and that's been when I've said to Paul supporters for four years now. 1) Ron Paul will never be his party's candidate for President or win President, 2) Start local and make your way up. That's how you bring change to the system.
    Congress is where the true problem is. Change Congress and then you can change the thinking of the executive branch.[/quote]

    see i don't think it is just congress. the main issues that i see as an outsider (and if i am wrong please forgive) is that the American public is angry and divided. you always hear that the American people want congress to work together but then they pick groups who are so strict in what they want that the word compromise is a bad word.

    during one debate, i heard Mitt talk bad about Jon hunstman and him working for Obama and saying how can you do that as a rep. Jon said it straight when he said that this is the biggest issue in America. they put party ahead of the country.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
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    never. two mormons on the same ticket. you need at least 1 traditional christian to appease tthe base.[/quote]

    oh man you Americans are weird ;) as a Canadian i find this very funny and sad.[/quote]

    i could care less. but we are talking about republicans.[/quote]

    its makes me laugh that our conservative party in Canada might be more liberal than you democrats
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Everyone comes home when it's time for a general election. You're right, people do vote D or R in a general election, and Democrats are not disenchanted enough with the President to flip to voting for a Republican. No matter who it is. The problem in Washington isn't a trickle down problem where getting rid of the President will turn everything around. It's a bottoms up approach, and that's been when I've said to Paul supporters for four years now. 1) Ron Paul will never be his party's candidate for President or win President, 2) Start local and make your way up. That's how you bring change to the system.
    Congress is where the true problem is. Change Congress and then you can change the thinking of the executive branch.

    i don't disagree with what you said ... i think you are missing the point tho ... if ron paul is the republican nominee - i think he will beat obama handily in a general election for the reasons i put forth ... there are a lot of disenchanted democrats now ...
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    polaris_x wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Everyone comes home when it's time for a general election. You're right, people do vote D or R in a general election, and Democrats are not disenchanted enough with the President to flip to voting for a Republican. No matter who it is. The problem in Washington isn't a trickle down problem where getting rid of the President will turn everything around. It's a bottoms up approach, and that's been when I've said to Paul supporters for four years now. 1) Ron Paul will never be his party's candidate for President or win President, 2) Start local and make your way up. That's how you bring change to the system.
    Congress is where the true problem is. Change Congress and then you can change the thinking of the executive branch.

    i don't disagree with what you said ... i think you are missing the point tho ... if ron paul is the republican nominee - i think he will beat obama handily in a general election for the reasons i put forth ... there are a lot of disenchanted democrats now ...

    wow you think it RP would HANDILY beat Obama? i will give you that RP would have a chance in beating Obama but i don't see him beating him handily. if you look at the poll i put up one major issue that rP has would be to get the conservative vote out. no matter who runs this is going to be a close race.
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    ledvedderman wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:

    Winning the youth vote in a GOP primary is one thing. Winning it in a general election is another thing. We can't have any true idea of how Paul is tracking with young independents and Democrats until South Carolina's open primary.

    but you already have the true idea that Paul stands zero chance in a general election

    Ron Paul would have zero chance against the President. Zero. I believe you said

    so which is it...do we not know how he is tracking or do we know he stands zero chance?

    Zero. He has zero chance. Even if he pulls some Dems in SC is not a big deal that shows a trend for the country.

    :lol: ok...I am glad you have an opinion at least...that is better than most people in the country in regards to politics.

    but to say zero chance is just bullish and stubborn. If you said slight...I would probably agree with you there. I actually think he stands a better chance than most of the GOP candidates...but they are all getting a bump in the polls against Obama because it is their primary season, they are the ones in the news...the polls after the nomination (Paul has less of a chance getting the nomination than he does of winning the presidency) will be telling of how a candidate will agree

    all in all people will support the republican(R) or the republican lite (D)...because that is all they know.
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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    fife wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Everyone comes home when it's time for a general election. You're right, people do vote D or R in a general election, and Democrats are not disenchanted enough with the President to flip to voting for a Republican. No matter who it is. The problem in Washington isn't a trickle down problem where getting rid of the President will turn everything around. It's a bottoms up approach, and that's been when I've said to Paul supporters for four years now. 1) Ron Paul will never be his party's candidate for President or win President, 2) Start local and make your way up. That's how you bring change to the system.
    Congress is where the true problem is. Change Congress and then you can change the thinking of the executive branch.

    i don't disagree with what you said ... i think you are missing the point tho ... if ron paul is the republican nominee - i think he will beat obama handily in a general election for the reasons i put forth ... there are a lot of disenchanted democrats now ...

    wow you think it RP would HANDILY beat Obama? i will give you that RP would have a chance in beating Obama but i don't see him beating him handily. if you look at the poll i put up one major issue that rP has would be to get the conservative vote out. no matter who runs this is going to be a close race.


    the neo-cons may not like voting for Paul but they would in droves if it means getting the Marxist out of the oval office because he is weak on terror
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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    ledvedderman wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I'm not a betting man, but if I were I would take this bet in a heartbeat. "Ron Paul would crush Obama"...seriously? Ron Paul would have zero chance against the President. Zero. I'm not even sure where the political logic is coming from that would lead one to believe that Ron Paul's policies would go over well in Michigan, Florida, and Pennsylvania. It's beyond absurd.

    here is my logic:

    for the majority of voters in a presidential election - they vote based on partisanship ... that means they are gonna vote R or D ... the rest including independents are gonna vote who they like best ... there is a lot of disenchanted democrats right now ... at the very least - ron paul offers up the singular best hope of breaking the corruption in gov't ... i'm not necessarily saying he will and can but at least - that is what he is running on ... his foreign policy agenda will appeal to all the peaceniks ... i think based on disillusioned dems and the youth and peaceniks - it will be the base that will allow him to defeat obama ...

    Everyone comes home when it's time for a general election. You're right, people do vote D or R in a general election, and Democrats are not disenchanted enough with the President to flip to voting for a Republican. No matter who it is. The problem in Washington isn't a trickle down problem where getting rid of the President will turn everything around. It's a bottoms up approach, and that's been when I've said to Paul supporters for four years now. 1) Ron Paul will never be his party's candidate for President or win President, 2) Start local and make your way up. That's how you bring change to the system.
    Congress is where the true problem is. Change Congress and then you can change the thinking of the executive branch.


    well said
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    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    fife wrote:
    wow you think it RP would HANDILY beat Obama? i will give you that RP would have a chance in beating Obama but i don't see him beating him handily. if you look at the poll i put up one major issue that rP has would be to get the conservative vote out. no matter who runs this is going to be a close race.

    i think the way the voting system is set up along with partisanship will make any 2 candidates a close race ... i do think tho that ron paul could make many non-republicans vote R ... the singular issue of foreign policy alone makes him worth voting for ... obama had his chance to prove he would fight the corruptness and he sold out ... i don't think ron paul can beat the system (they would kill him if they have to) but i would like to see him try ... no one else is running on destroying the military industrial complex ... which is second only to global warming in causing worldwide suffering ...

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