New Ticket Lottery system thoughts

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  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 97,633
    pjsteelerfan wrote:
    Personally, I don't like lotteries. I got tickets the old, way, I got shut out the old way. But no matter what, its not going to make everyone happy.

    I'm not a fan of the lotteries too. And true no matter what way 10club sells tickets, not everyone will be happy.
  • fall by the wayside
    fall by the wayside Jericho, VT Posts: 759
    drsluggo wrote:
    shep wrote:
    Everyone not in favor of a new ticketing system (at least to try it) is a potential sabatoge suspect... :think:

    I've got my eyes on you... :shifty:
    Only a saboteur would think that way! :o

    I like the old way much, much better. You put up the good fight and hopefully you get tickets but at least you have SOME control on it. Plus... I don't like that if you're trying to string together a small trip of shows that you might get one show but not the others. If that happens you're stuck with the one show and can't just call it off. On the old way you could make changes to your plans if the you can't get tickets to shows you want.

    Old way... old way... old way... ;)

    If not having 10c tickets to a show you want to be at keeps you from going, then I feel bad for you. There is always a ticket to get you in the door if you are willing to work for it.
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  • drsluggo
    drsluggo Posts: 4,742
    shep wrote:

    I'm sure it's going to result in just as many (if not more) complaints about the system when some people get "randomly" drawn for every show they apply for and others receive nothing.

    It'll be interesting to see how this flushes out, and if they continue it in the future... It doesn't make a difference to me until they hit the US next year... cause I'm not traveling to the northeast for shows in 2012... if it's not local, I'm not going this year... and well, fat chance they play the south.... :roll:
    That's going to be the new 'front row lottery' scandal, because you KNOW it's going to happen even if it is completely random (hence the idea of random, I suppose!).

    But yeah - it might not be a permanent fix since its just two shows and theyre coming right off of what happened for the Europe shows. I just hope that for the next tour they do it like they used to. I'd rather fight it out and know quickly (I've missed shows too, but at least I feel like my overall success rate is higher than a lottery would be) than wait a few days to find out I got one of three shows (or none, for that matter).

    Time will tell... we probably won't know ANYTHING until most tour dates have leaked out to the internet anyway, right? :lol:
  • drsluggo
    drsluggo Posts: 4,742
    fall by the wayside wrote:
    If not having 10c tickets to a show you want to be at keeps you from going, then I feel bad for you. There is always a ticket to get you in the door if you are willing to work for it.
    Not at all what I'm saying but thanks for drawing such a nice combative conclusion! :roll:

    But if you're going to pick a few shows to travel to because they only tour the NE and west coast, then you're going to want to try and pick shows you can get TC tickets to before regular tickets (otherwise why be a member?). So if you can't find a way to do that then it makes planning travel bad. Its not to say someone still won't travel, but it makes it a lot more difficult. That wouldn't be a problem if the band did proper tours of the entire country, but it hasn't happened in 6 years and I don't think anyone expects it to anytime soon.
  • Ron Burgundy
    Ron Burgundy Posts: 499
    I am not in favor of the lottery mainly because I only go to shows in my hometown (Montreal) or close (Ottawa/Quebec). I can't travel to see them mostly because of my work. That means that if I don't get lottery tickets for the show in Montreal, I am somehow loosing money being a member of the fan club.

    I think we should have confirmed tickets for at least 1 show and lottery for the rest!
  • fall by the wayside
    fall by the wayside Jericho, VT Posts: 759
    drsluggo wrote:
    fall by the wayside wrote:
    If not having 10c tickets to a show you want to be at keeps you from going, then I feel bad for you. There is always a ticket to get you in the door if you are willing to work for it.
    Not at all what I'm saying but thanks for drawing such a nice combative conclusion! :roll:

    But if you're going to pick a few shows to travel to because they only tour the NE and west coast, then you're going to want to try and pick shows you can get TC tickets to before regular tickets (otherwise why be a member?). So if you can't find a way to do that then it makes planning travel bad. Its not to say someone still won't travel, but it makes it a lot more difficult. That wouldn't be a problem if the band did proper tours of the entire country, but it hasn't happened in 6 years and I don't think anyone expects it to anytime soon.

    Not being combatative, just going off what you said and I still disagree. If you really want to go, you'll find a way. Changing to a lottery does nothing different to your premise than the current system. You can be shut out either way. I do agree with you that the root cause is the bands touring plans. They just are unwilling to play enough shows to satiate demand and it doesn't look like its changing. Therefore, a lottery system is what's most fair to ALL members, not just what is most convenient to YOU or anyone else.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,387
    I think this is the best system Ten Club has ever come up with. As you said, it may as well be a lottery at this point, so why not have it be a stress-free lottery?

    I'm sure some will say that this is bad for those that like to follow the band on tour - to them, I say make some new Pearl Jam friends, an extra can usually be found around here. I'm glad I have done this over the years; it may be intimidating at first, but it very quickly feels totally natural, and I have met some great people as a result. It has gotten to the point that, for me, this lottery will have little impact, as I usually go with one of the countless kind souls on this board.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,387
    To add to this - I'm seriously impressed to see the proactivity in how ticket sales are run for the past couple of sales.. They may not have all run smoothly, but when they didn't work, management sought alternative options after each time.
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  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    benjs wrote:
    I think this is the best system Ten Club has ever come up with. As you said, it may as well be a lottery at this point, so why not have it be a stress-free lottery?

    I'm sure some will say that this is bad for those that like to follow the band on tour - to them, I say make some new Pearl Jam friends, an extra can usually be found around here. I'm glad I have done this over the years; it may be intimidating at first, but it very quickly feels totally natural, and I have met some great people as a result. It has gotten to the point that, for me, this lottery will have little impact, as I usually go with one of the countless kind souls on this board.

    Your second point only applies in your case. Its great for someone if you travel alone, but some of us go with significant others, family, travel buddies. 1 ticket is always much easier to find than 2.
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  • Off He Goes... In Chicago
    Off He Goes... In Chicago Posts: 264
    Ron Burgundy wrote:
    I am not in favor of the lottery mainly because I only go to shows in my hometown (Montreal) or close (Ottawa/Quebec). I can't travel to see them mostly because of my work. That means that if I don't get lottery tickets for the show in Montreal, I am somehow loosing money being a member of the fan club.

    I think we should have confirmed tickets for at least 1 show and lottery for the rest!

    I was sort of thinking the same thing. With the new system there is a strong possibility that I won't even see a show in my own city? If they really are going through all the trouble of verifying accounts, they can easily get local people tickets first.

    Also for those that have to travel to see shows, they can at least rest easy knowing they will absolutely see a certain show, making travel plans much easier.
  • samjam
    samjam New York Posts: 9,283
    I'm on the fence here, we'll have to see how it goes. With the old system, though it could be a pain in the ass (to put it lightly), the buyer at least had a little bit of control. I was extremely fortunate to get 10c tickets the 3 times I have tried. With the lottery, it is a complete shot in the dark. That said, it is a completely fair chance for anyone. We'll see what happens!
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,943
    81 wrote:
    Brew Crew Tix wrote:
    The only way for me to know whether I will like the new system is to announce 2012 US tour dates. :mrgreen:


    :P

    the one thing i would like to see if they use this for a full tour....

    let people pick all the shows that they want....and have them rank the shows...

    then draw a name, and give them tickets to thier highest ranked shows.....they then become ineligible until everyone has had a chance at a show....if there are still still tickets after the first cycle thru the names, then everybody goes back in, and a name is drawn and that person gets the next highested ranked show that still has tickets.

    just a thought.

    this is how i think it should be done. everyone who ranks a show 1st gets 1st dibs on that show. if there are 10c left over they you go to ranked 2nd for that show, etc. would be fairly simple to do by having people log into a page here and putting in shows 1 to whatever. simple, efficient and gives everyone a chance at seeing at least one show. of course i guess this is predicated on them playing more than 10 shows.
  • jamburger
    jamburger Posts: 1,775
    Off He Goes... In Chicago wrote:
    Ron Burgundy wrote:
    I am not in favor of the lottery mainly because I only go to shows in my hometown (Montreal) or close (Ottawa/Quebec). I can't travel to see them mostly because of my work. That means that if I don't get lottery tickets for the show in Montreal, I am somehow loosing money being a member of the fan club.

    I think we should have confirmed tickets for at least 1 show and lottery for the rest!

    I was sort of thinking the same thing. With the new system there is a strong possibility that I won't even see a show in my own city? If they really are going through all the trouble of verifying accounts, they can easily get local people tickets first.

    Also for those that have to travel to see shows, they can at least rest easy knowing they will absolutely see a certain show, making travel plans much easier.

    What, in any previous methods of 10 Club ticket sales, guaranteed you tickets to your local show? As long as any method they attempt yields a yes or no prior to the public on sale, no one is shut out.

    I wouldn't be against having local folks receive a better shot at a single, selected home show... like if it's the one show you select top priority for, you get 5 entries into the lottery instead of one.
  • foriginalsin
    foriginalsin Posts: 713
    I like the old system better. Yes, we had our faces ripped off but at least there was some sense of having some control over getting tickets.
  • Ron Burgundy
    Ron Burgundy Posts: 499
    jamburger wrote:
    Off He Goes... In Chicago wrote:
    Ron Burgundy wrote:
    I am not in favor of the lottery mainly because I only go to shows in my hometown (Montreal) or close (Ottawa/Quebec). I can't travel to see them mostly because of my work. That means that if I don't get lottery tickets for the show in Montreal, I am somehow loosing money being a member of the fan club.

    I think we should have confirmed tickets for at least 1 show and lottery for the rest!

    I was sort of thinking the same thing. With the new system there is a strong possibility that I won't even see a show in my own city? If they really are going through all the trouble of verifying accounts, they can easily get local people tickets first.

    Also for those that have to travel to see shows, they can at least rest easy knowing they will absolutely see a certain show, making travel plans much easier.

    What, in any previous methods of 10 Club ticket sales, guaranteed you tickets to your local show? As long as any method they attempt yields a yes or no prior to the public on sale, no one is shut out.

    I wouldn't be against having local folks receive a better shot at a single, selected home show... like if it's the one show you select top priority for, you get 5 entries into the lottery instead of one.

    No they didn't, but I was always capable of getting 10c tickets. The lottery could lower my chance of getting tickets....
  • Off He Goes... In Chicago
    Off He Goes... In Chicago Posts: 264
    jamburger wrote:
    Off He Goes... In Chicago wrote:
    Ron Burgundy wrote:
    I am not in favor of the lottery mainly because I only go to shows in my hometown (Montreal) or close (Ottawa/Quebec). I can't travel to see them mostly because of my work. That means that if I don't get lottery tickets for the show in Montreal, I am somehow loosing money being a member of the fan club.

    I think we should have confirmed tickets for at least 1 show and lottery for the rest!

    I was sort of thinking the same thing. With the new system there is a strong possibility that I won't even see a show in my own city? If they really are going through all the trouble of verifying accounts, they can easily get local people tickets first.

    Also for those that have to travel to see shows, they can at least rest easy knowing they will absolutely see a certain show, making travel plans much easier.

    What, in any previous methods of 10 Club ticket sales, guaranteed you tickets to your local show? As long as any method they attempt yields a yes or no prior to the public on sale, no one is shut out.

    I wouldn't be against having local folks receive a better shot at a single, selected home show... like if it's the one show you select top priority for, you get 5 entries into the lottery instead of one.

    I know we were never guaranteed a local show. But, a lottery takes it completely out of your hands. I'm sorry for those that can't get through, I really am. But, I've never had a problem getting tickets because I'm fortunate enough to be able to press F5 from my office or home. I wasn't really demanding a guaranteed ticket to a local show, but a guaranteed ticket for ANY show.

    In my case, I'd ask for Chicago so that I don't have to travel. But, any fan would appreciate a little help planning a trip.
  • eyejacker
    eyejacker Posts: 1,282
    - "If your Paypal email does not match your Ten Club email address, your entry is considered invalid."

    - "What if I change my Ten Club email address, to my Paypal email address? Will it make my previous entry valid?

    - "NO .............."

    This can't be good!!

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  • jamburger
    jamburger Posts: 1,775
    Ron Burgundy wrote:
    No they didn't, but I was always capable of getting 10c tickets. The lottery could lower my chance of getting tickets....
    Off He Goes... In Chicago wrote:
    I know we were never guaranteed a local show. But, a lottery takes it completely out of your hands. I'm sorry for those that can't get through, I really am. But, I've never had a problem getting tickets because I'm fortunate enough to be able to press F5 from my office or home. I wasn't really demanding a guaranteed ticket to a local show, but a guaranteed ticket for ANY show.

    In my case, I'd ask for Chicago so that I don't have to travel. But, any fan would appreciate a little help planning a trip.

    Unless you have a proven method of obtaining those tickets, isn't hitting F5 and having your browser complete the transaction a little like a lottery? I don't see how you really had any control with the previous method.

    And while you may have all the time in the world to keep refreshing, a lot don't and there's nothing wrong with leveling the playing field.

    The planning a trip thing... since concert ticket sales, both fan club and public, happen 4-6 months prior to the show on average, there's plenty of time.
  • drsluggo
    drsluggo Posts: 4,742
    fall by the wayside wrote:
    They just are unwilling to play enough shows to satiate demand and it doesn't look like its changing. Therefore, a lottery system is what's most fair to ALL members, not just what is most convenient to YOU or anyone else.
    It has a lot more to do with WHERE they play as opposed to how often when looking at meeting demand for shows. If you only focus on the NE and west coast you force fans from everywhere else to travel, and if you have a lottery it makes it really hard if you're traveling with someone else to plan.

    And anyone who says this is more FAIR to everyone than the old system is kidding themselves. Its going to be more fair to people who had bad luck and less fair to people who had good luck. Bottom line - everyone is going to look at this with regards to how they feel it affects the individual. They're both fair in ways, annoying in ways and mind-boggling in ways... but as any sports person would say "when the game is on the line I want the ball in my hands."
  • RedMosquito22
    RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    gndcd402 wrote:
    What are the arguments against it? That the 10c is conspiring against you to not give you tickets? The fact that this puts everybody on an equal playing field instead of the complete randomness of who can access a broken website is a vast improvement. I never was denied tickets with the old system but I admit it is totally unfair. We are all fans and tech savvyness should not increase one's odds over another.

    Plus if anybody should be afraid of Ten Club holding a grudge against themselves it is me.

    I like the fate of my ticket purchase to be in my hands.
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