New Ticket Lottery system thoughts

JimmyV

I'm not crazy about PayPal but I do give 10C credit for giving this a try. Hope it works out.

pjsteelerfan

eyejacker wrote:

- "If your Paypal email does not match your Ten Club email address, your entry is considered invalid."

- "What if I change my Ten Club email address, to my Paypal email address? Will it make my previous entry valid?

- "NO .............."

This can't be good!!

http://www.pearljam.com/presale

This would kill me, my paypal email and 10c email are not the same

boyo79

I'm all for it. I spend 5 minutes filling in the details with this system rather than spending all night trying to get tickets last time. This way I can fill in the details and then wait for an email on Friday. Between now and Friday I can get on with my life. With the farce last time out I lost 3 days of my life fretting over tickets!!!

I'm guessing this lottery system is only a stop-gap til they fix the problems from the last ticket sale. But I guess if its successful they might might it the new ticket sale.

boyo79

pjsteelerfan wrote:

eyejacker wrote:

- "If your Paypal email does not match your Ten Club email address, your entry is considered invalid."

- "What if I change my Ten Club email address, to my Paypal email address? Will it make my previous entry valid?

- "NO .............."

This can't be good!!

http://www.pearljam.com/presale

This would kill me, my paypal email and 10c email are not the same

You don't have to use a paypal account though, right? You can sign in as a guest and use your credit or debit card details?

EdsonNascimento

Let's face it - it's ok to be selfish, just call a spade a spade. I prefer to "control" my destiny as well. But, assuming it's truly random, lottery is the fairest way.

If all you're concerned about is getting yourself tickets, that's fine. No crime. But, it is what it is.

I like going after tickets myself because I have been 100% successful. I have gotten any good I've wanted. I've gotten any ticket I wanted. I know I have the equipment, time and wherewithal to get them. But, not everyone does. Fair is fair. That is all.

Hopefully, they'll use this little "test" to make it work more smoothly next time. Good luck to all!

eyejacker

boyo79 wrote:

pjsteelerfan wrote:

eyejacker wrote:

- "If your Paypal email does not match your Ten Club email address, your entry is considered invalid."

- "What if I change my Ten Club email address, to my Paypal email address? Will it make my previous entry valid?

- "NO .............."

This can't be good!!

http://www.pearljam.com/presale

This would kill me, my paypal email and 10c email are not the same

You don't have to use a paypal account though, right? You can sign in as a guest and use your credit or debit card details?

The link in the email takes you directly to a PayPal page so I'm guessing you have to be on PayPal to enter...

boyo79

eyejacker wrote:

boyo79 wrote:

pjsteelerfan wrote:

This would kill me, my paypal email and 10c email are not the same

You don't have to use a paypal account though, right? You can sign in as a guest and use your credit or debit card details?

The link in the email takes you directly to a PayPal page so I'm guessing you have to be on PayPal to enter...

It does but it also lets you sign in as a guest and use your card details instead of paypal details.....

Off He Goes... In Chicago

jamburger wrote:

Ron Burgundy wrote:

No they didn't, but I was always capable of getting 10c tickets. The lottery could lower my chance of getting tickets....

Off He Goes... In Chicago wrote:

I know we were never guaranteed a local show. But, a lottery takes it completely out of your hands. I'm sorry for those that can't get through, I really am. But, I've never had a problem getting tickets because I'm fortunate enough to be able to press F5 from my office or home. I wasn't really demanding a guaranteed ticket to a local show, but a guaranteed ticket for ANY show.

In my case, I'd ask for Chicago so that I don't have to travel. But, any fan would appreciate a little help planning a trip.

Unless you have a proven method of obtaining those tickets, isn't hitting F5 and having your browser complete the transaction a little like a lottery? I don't see how you really had any control with the previous method.

And while you may have all the time in the world to keep refreshing, a lot don't and there's nothing wrong with leveling the playing field.

The planning a trip thing... since concert ticket sales, both fan club and public, happen 4-6 months prior to the show on average, there's plenty of time.

It's also a control thing. Think of it this way. I want to see them in the Midwest. So I plan to catch KC, St. Louis, Chicago, Indianapolis and Milwaukee. So I put Chicago as my first choice and end up getting KC also. That 10 hour drive to KC looks a lot longer now and more than likely will require me to take a few days off to see 2 shows. Where in the current system I can get all the shows and feel better about my plans. Of course I still have time to make the proper arrangements, but it will more than likely lead to more people seeing less shows. That guy that catches the entire east coast just went from 6 shows to more than likely 3.

I was hoping to see them overseas and actually got in before all hell broke loose. I had 2 shows in the cart and would not buy them if I didn't get two more. The fact that I did not get all four shows definitely made me not make the entire trip. I want every fan to have the chance to see the band, so one guaranteed show is a nice option.

Dave Matthews has this system in place with their Warehouse members and I know a few people that get shut out of their preferred city. Phish has a request period open to EVERYONE, no membership needed and they still can't satisfy the demand. We are all being quite optimistic here, but what if you were one of the unlucky few to not get ANY show?

Chrisilein

Is it right that only members who have no paypal account have to fill out the form?
I used the link and was directed to my paypal account, entered my password and came directly to "pay now". After that i came to the TC site...

Chazz

Chrisilein wrote:

Is it right that only members who have no paypal account have to fill out the form?
I used the link and was directed to my paypal account, entered my password and came directly to "pay now". After that i came to the TC site...

I had the same, assuming its Ok as I got the authorisation email from Paypal and my email address is the same for both as 10C stipulates, fingers crossed for both of us

benjs

foriginalsin wrote:

I like the old system better. Yes, we had our faces ripped off but at least there was some sense of having some control over getting tickets.

As someone who has never failed at getting tickets through 10c when I tried (including MSG 08 both nights), I still don't feel I've ever had more than the illusion of control and a fair bit of luck. With this system that illusion is lifted, and the necessity for a fair bit of luck still remains.

SP96445

Looks like a fair system plus this is for GA standing room not seats so good first test to see how it works. Been a member since 2000 and never got any 10c seats I thought were really good (they weren't bad but...) so lottery system for seats is fine by me also.

jamburger

Off He Goes... In Chicago wrote:

It's also a control thing. Think of it this way. I want to see them in the Midwest. So I plan to catch KC, St. Louis, Chicago, Indianapolis and Milwaukee. So I put Chicago as my first choice and end up getting KC also. That 10 hour drive to KC looks a lot longer now and more than likely will require me to take a few days off to see 2 shows. Where in the current system I can get all the shows and feel better about my plans. Of course I still have time to make the proper arrangements, but it will more than likely lead to more people seeing less shows. That guy that catches the entire east coast just went from 6 shows to more than likely 3.

If That Guy hasn't tried the public onsale yet, I don't want to hear his crying. If he's not going to go to the show because he doesn't have 10 Club tickets, I don't want to know him.

Off He Goes... In Chicago wrote:

I was hoping to see them overseas and actually got in before all hell broke loose. I had 2 shows in the cart and would not buy them if I didn't get two more. The fact that I did not get all four shows definitely made me not make the entire trip. I want every fan to have the chance to see the band, so one guaranteed show is a nice option.

Do you know that this was the first time in a long time (I think the 2006 tour) that you were able to purchase multiple pairs of tickets at one time? So in the past, you've waited until all your ducks were in a row before making travel plans. I don't see any difference now.

Off He Goes... In Chicago wrote:

Dave Matthews has this system in place with their Warehouse members and I know a few people that get shut out of their preferred city. Phish has a request period open to EVERYONE, no membership needed and they still can't satisfy the demand. We are all being quite optimistic here, but what if you were one of the unlucky few to not get ANY show?

If it happened time after time, I would reconsider my membership in the fan club as the only reason I use it is for tickets. I guess I've been lucky up until now... only shut out of 10 club ticket to one show I tried for since 2003. I'm more than happy though to have this switch to a method where everyone has an equal chance.

jamburger

benjs wrote:

foriginalsin wrote:

I like the old system better. Yes, we had our faces ripped off but at least there was some sense of having some control over getting tickets.

As someone who has never failed at getting tickets through 10c when I tried (including MSG 08 both nights), I still don't feel I've ever had more than the illusion of control and a fair bit of luck. With this system that illusion is lifted, and the necessity for a fair bit of luck still remains.

That's what I don't understand. What control did anyone actually have?

EdsonNascimento

Off He Goes... In Chicago wrote:

it will more than likely lead to more people seeing less shows.

What is wrong with more people getting the opportunity to get 10C tickets instead of them being hoarded by a few? (The completion of your sentence is - - but more people seeing shows.) If you really want to go to shows via the F5 method, Ticketmaster will have the public on sale, and you can try your luck there to get all 6 shows.

I'm missing the point in these posts.

Again - I have always been successful. This can be nothing but bad for me (well, I guess it could be equal), but it's fair.

Chrisilein

Now i am a little bit scared...i have two different email-addresses for the same account...one short version and one long version. My paypal account has the long version but I'm not sure if my tc account has the long version too. Its the same email account...i think i have to wait a few days to find out if it is a problem or not!

drsluggo

No one knows if they're even doing this moving forward, so the back and forth is more just speculation than anything else. I can't believe after all these years they'd give up and do a lottery instead of what worked fine for many years until just recently (with the exception of MSG shows which always jam up their servers).

That said... you have control if you do the old method. It's not PERFECT control, but you can keep trying until they sell out and even though the servers will screw you up, if you keep at it you'll be successful more often than not. I have spent 2-4+hours on tickets maybe 4-5 times now and I missed in that same timeframe twice (both MSG, once in 08 and once in 2010), but at least on the successful ones I got tickets because I stuck with it and it paid off.

I'd rather have that than sending an email and having to wait and see if I got picked to whatever shows I wanted to attend and possibly get one and not the others (or any).

Both ways are "fair" -- if the TC has 1,500 tickets to sell they are going to sell them to 750 different members no matter what method they choose. It's not like the old method wasn't "fair" to everyone - it was just a pain because the servers weren't ready for the sales. People say you have to take the afternoon off or whatever, but for ticketmaster you'd have to do that as well. It's part of public on-sales - I've done it and it sucks, but it just comes with the territory.

Either way, we'll see what they do for the future tours. I'm sure once they added the two shows they wanted to do something for TC members after the earlier "2nd show" debacle, and without much time to plan probably felt this was best. I'm sure they'll be able to come up with something better going forward with some extra time to plan.

EdsonNascimento

drsluggo wrote:

Both ways are "fair" -- if the TC has 1,500 tickets to sell they are going to sell them to 750 different members no matter what method they choose. It's not like the old method wasn't "fair" to everyone - it was just a pain because the servers weren't ready for the sales. People say you have to take the afternoon off or whatever, but for ticketmaster you'd have to do that as well. It's part of public on-sales - I've done it and it sucks, but it just comes with the territory.

I guess fair is in the eye of the beholder. Some folks have to work. Some folks have slower servers/internet connections. Some folks have a life (not me, but I'm sure there are some) that can't spend hours F5'ing.

So, let's just say a drawing would be MORE fair (if you want). I'm fine either way. But, let's not play off the internet version as perfectly fair. Especially compared to a system where everyone by definition would have the exact same chances with no variables.

deserteddotse

"Your card will not be charged. However, by entering your credit card info your card will be temporarily pre-authorized for the ticket pair price. The funds will be held until the end of the drawing on January 13th."

Isn't it the same?

drsluggo

EdsonNascimento wrote:

I guess fair is in the eye of the beholder. Some folks have to work. Some folks have slower servers/internet connections. Some folks have a life (not me, but I'm sure there are some) that can't spend hours F5'ing.

So, let's just say a drawing would be MORE fair (if you want). I'm fine either way. But, let's not play off the internet version as perfectly fair. Especially compared to a system where everyone by definition would have the exact same chances with no variables.

I'm sure people could make arguments why a straight lottery isn't fair too... I agree that it sucks to take time off of the day to try for tickets, but then again people on here are saying "if you don't want to try ticketmaster to see PJ I'd rather not know you" out of one side of their mouth and then out the other saying they don't want to spend time trying for tickets on the ten club site either.

I think both have their merits and I think your points are 100% valid. I just don't think the people saying the old system was somehow unfair are being too honest about it. There were a few really unfortunate mishaps which caused all of these discussions, but they can be fixed without completely dumping the system.