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  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    M.J. own kids never had a bad word to say about him, makes me think he was innocent and targeted for being out there and rich. IMO
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    BinauralJam wrote:
    M.J. own kids never had a bad word to say about him, makes me think he was innocent and targeted for being out there and rich. IMO
    I don't want to go off topic on MJ...but that really tells us nothing. I've seen kids suffer horrific abuse and cling to the abusive parent. Sometimes they don't understand that it's abuse...they've been taught abuse is love. They may have been taught to protect the parent and will deny and defend. Sometimes only one child is abused in a family. Sometimes perps won't abuse their own kids, but they will abuse other kids. It's kind of like when Mel Gibson's ex-wife said he never abused her. So fucking what? If he abused one person it doesn't matter if he abused anyone else. /rant
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  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    pjsteelerfan wrote:
    A little off topic, but is the story about Sandusky's lawyer true? That when he was 49- he knocked up a 16 year old girl, that he did later marry?

    Yes. Mom of girl confirmed. But, I think age of consent (at least at the time) in PA was 16. So, no law was broken. Then, the married and had another child, but have since divorced. Mom of girl says he's a great father (to the couple's kids - sorry, couldn't resist), and that all that matters.

    Still kind of wacky. But, I guess what do you expect? This is clearly a case that only someone trying to make a name for themselves would take. He's really in a no lose situation. If convicted, well, the client was guilty. If he gets him off.....well, I think there are tv shows about the kids of someone that did that.

    That is crazy.
    ...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
  • Bronx Bombers
    Bronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    Paterno who by some accounts has a net worth of 20mm is in line to receive a pension of more than 500k per year.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    Paterno who by some accounts has a net worth of 20mm is in line to receive a pension of more than 500k per year.
    $500,000.00 a year with 20 million floating around accruing interest like nobody's business; investments, property and the like. well done joe. your right hand man dude likes kids sexually.
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  • NoCode416
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    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    "8 year olds, Dude"

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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    comebackgirl wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    My opinion is MJ had the mindset of a child.
    Due to horrible emotional and physical abuse he never grew past
    the young age of puberty emotionally.
    I will always believe he enjoyed the company of kids because adults
    were never trusted subconsciously.

    Kids were like him, kids were who he could relate too.
    His motives were far from the motives of predators.
    Michael was messed up by the world ... a boy forever lost.


    Sandusky is another story entirely, in my opinion,
    he is your classic child predator in all respects.
    His words chosen with fore thought to mask the truth.
    He is devious, calculating, manipulating, and in classic denial as to his sexual identity.

    He didn't lie in most of the interview.... he omitted truth and twisted truth.
    The one telling question he stumbled over says it all. Took him a minute
    to change sexual attraction in his mind to something else ... love.

    It is what pedophiles do...
    they say they are showing love when they assault.
    Like the love that two adults share and show through sexual contact.
    This they truly believe often because, as children at the hands of predators,
    they were told this.
    Actually true pedophiles do have the mindset of a child. They get stagnated at a certain age, often due to abuse, and truly relate on an emotional age as if they are the same age as the child. MJ seems to fit the bill perfectly.
    I didn't see that in my search that they are stuck at an emotional age
    but it certainly covers a lot of traits and characteristics ...tactics used to exploit the children.
    And also the different types of pedophiles ... never knew it was so complex.
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    Sandusky is a sleazeball creep.
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    pandora wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    My opinion is MJ had the mindset of a child.
    Due to horrible emotional and physical abuse he never grew past
    the young age of puberty emotionally.
    I will always believe he enjoyed the company of kids because adults
    were never trusted subconsciously.

    Kids were like him, kids were who he could relate too.
    His motives were far from the motives of predators.
    Michael was messed up by the world ... a boy forever lost.


    Sandusky is another story entirely, in my opinion,
    he is your classic child predator in all respects.
    His words chosen with fore thought to mask the truth.
    He is devious, calculating, manipulating, and in classic denial as to his sexual identity.

    He didn't lie in most of the interview.... he omitted truth and twisted truth.
    The one telling question he stumbled over says it all. Took him a minute
    to change sexual attraction in his mind to something else ... love.

    It is what pedophiles do...
    they say they are showing love when they assault.
    Like the love that two adults share and show through sexual contact.
    This they truly believe often because, as children at the hands of predators,
    they were told this.
    Actually true pedophiles do have the mindset of a child. They get stagnated at a certain age, often due to abuse, and truly relate on an emotional age as if they are the same age as the child. MJ seems to fit the bill perfectly.
    I didn't see that in my search that they are stuck at an emotional age
    but it certainly covers a lot of traits and characteristics ...tactics used to exploit the children.
    And also the different types of pedophiles ... never knew it was so complex.
    It's very complex...seems to run in families to a certain extent...whether that is due to biology or environment or both we don't know for sure. There is definitely a vast difference in those that sexually abuse kids...those that are primarily attracted to kids of a certain age and those that abuse when there is an opportunity. It's very complex and very interesting, but I really prefer to work with the survivors. Never had an interest in working with offenders.
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  • comebackgirl
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    EmBleve wrote:
    Sandusky is a sleazeball creep.
    Agreed. Truly sickening. When you read the grand jury report there is so much consistency among the stories...same grooming tactics - and he admitted to a bunch of them during his interview.
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  • Phantom Pain
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    Any chance the defense team throws out there that Sandusky was abused
    as a child hence why he abused children ?
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
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    Phantom Pain wrote:
    Any chance the defense team throws out there that Sandusky was abused
    as a child hence why he abused children ?

    That would conflict with the story that he "is innocent." Looks like they are just going to try to poke holes in the prosecution's evidence. It's got to be beyond a shadow of a doubt for the jury. Like it or not, that's our system.
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  • EmBleve
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    comebackgirl wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:
    Sandusky is a sleazeball creep.
    Agreed. Truly sickening. When you read the grand jury report there is so much consistency among the stories...same grooming tactics - and he admitted to a bunch of them during his interview.
    yes, his interviews are very telling. I'm just like 'are you kidding me?!?!'. I haven't read the report, but just the things he has said on his own seem to validate the accusations.
  • Phantom Pain
    Phantom Pain Posts: 9,876
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Phantom Pain wrote:
    Any chance the defense team throws out there that Sandusky was abused
    as a child hence why he abused children ?

    That would conflict with the story that he "is innocent." Looks like they are just going to try to poke holes in the prosecution's evidence. It's got to be beyond a shadow of a doubt for the jury. Like it or not, that's our system.
    I think they will take the stance he's innocent but shift gears
    when the victims start piling up

    Call some expert witness to say his childhood was so bad he can't help himself

    :roll:
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  • comebackgirl
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    EmBleve wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:
    Sandusky is a sleazeball creep.
    Agreed. Truly sickening. When you read the grand jury report there is so much consistency among the stories...same grooming tactics - and he admitted to a bunch of them during his interview.
    yes, his interviews are very telling. I'm just like 'are you kidding me?!?!'. I haven't read the report, but just the things he has said on his own seem to validate the accusations.
    The report is very telling. The stories are so similar. And there are at least 2 eye witnesses to actual assaults and a bunch of witnesses to some other sketchy interactions.
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  • unlost dogs
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    McQueary says he halted assault in ’02
    By Mark Scolforo, Maryclaire Dale and Genaro C. Armas
    Associated Press / November 16, 2011

    STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - A former Penn State graduate assistant cited by a grand jury report as claiming he saw an ex-assistant football coach sexually abusing a young boy in a campus locker room shower says in an e-mail he made sure the act was stopped and then went to police - contradicting what the report says.

    ...McQueary, now the football team’s wide receivers coach, told a friend from Penn State that he made sure the 2002 shower assault he witnessed was stopped and went to the police about it.

    ... McQueary, who has been placed on administrative leave and did not coach in Saturday’s 17-14 loss to Nebraska, wrote: “I did stop it, not physically . . . but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room . . . I did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police . . . no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds . . . trust me.’’

    How did he not run up and beat the shit out of Sandusky then and there?
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  • EmBleve
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    comebackgirl wrote:
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    he report is very telling. The stories are so similar. And there are at least 2 eye witnesses to actual assaults and a bunch of witnesses to some other sketchy interactions.
    lowlife. What is his defense? Towel snapping and leg touching and horse play is normal?? :roll:
  • JonnyPistachio
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    i've not followed this case much, but have any of the victims come forward? (although I highly doubt they'd want to)
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  • EmBleve
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    unlost dogs wrote:
    McQueary says he halted assault in ’02
    By Mark Scolforo, Maryclaire Dale and Genaro C. Armas
    Associated Press / November 16, 2011

    STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - A former Penn State graduate assistant cited by a grand jury report as claiming he saw an ex-assistant football coach sexually abusing a young boy in a campus locker room shower says in an e-mail he made sure the act was stopped and then went to police - contradicting what the report says.

    ...McQueary, now the football team’s wide receivers coach, told a friend from Penn State that he made sure the 2002 shower assault he witnessed was stopped and went to the police about it.

    ... McQueary, who has been placed on administrative leave and did not coach in Saturday’s 17-14 loss to Nebraska, wrote: “I did stop it, not physically . . . but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room . . . I did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police . . . no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds . . . trust me.’’

    How did he not run up and beat the shit out of Sandusky then and there?
    Really.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    unlost dogs wrote:
    McQueary says he halted assault in ’02
    By Mark Scolforo, Maryclaire Dale and Genaro C. Armas
    Associated Press / November 16, 2011

    STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - A former Penn State graduate assistant cited by a grand jury report as claiming he saw an ex-assistant football coach sexually abusing a young boy in a campus locker room shower says in an e-mail he made sure the act was stopped and then went to police - contradicting what the report says.

    ...McQueary, now the football team’s wide receivers coach, told a friend from Penn State that he made sure the 2002 shower assault he witnessed was stopped and went to the police about it.

    ... McQueary, who has been placed on administrative leave and did not coach in Saturday’s 17-14 loss to Nebraska, wrote: “I did stop it, not physically . . . but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room . . . I did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police . . . no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds . . . trust me.’’

    How did he not run up and beat the shit out of Sandusky then and there?

    house of cards ... let's hope it all comes crumbling down ... if the police were in on the cover up - it'll be much harder to expose ...
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