im no tech geek by i did spend an assload of money on a sound system and i have spent a lot of time on finding the best sound ....(about a year and over $400 on the different cable options)
i noticed once i hooked up a FIBER OPTIC CABLE from my cable box AND bluray player the sound was so much better and had a shit load of more depth to it .. i had tried every single combination till i found what i thought was best ... HDMI only for picture .. and FIBER OPTICS only for sound .. no sound comes from the TV they come directly out of the cable box/bluray player go directly to the receiver ..
if you ask me the fiber optic cables are the way to go for sound ..the difference is insane even when it comes to regular tv or sports games ...
but then again im running a 7.1 1,000 watt Mcintosch receiver and amp with boston acoustics and speaker craft speakers along with a 12" ceiling mounted sub
If you have a multi-channel analog OUTPUT on your blu-ray player, and multi-channel analog INPUT on your receiver, simply use RCAs to connect the blu-ray audio to the receiver. This way it is your PLAYER decoding
for the receiver.
This is the only way you will hear the lossless audio through a receiver that does not have the ability to decode the higher resolution audio codecs.
HDMI is used for the VIDEO only in this case. So CABLES GALOR between the receiver and TV at least 7.
But if you REALLY want to benefit from the sound this is the way if the receiver cannot do it.
If I helped one person out this typing was worth it.
Again, not quite true. If you have basically any HDMI 1.1 receiver you can get full HD as long as the player can output Linear PCM. Your receiver doesn't need to be able to understand the latest codecs (Dolby TrueHD etc) because the player "unzips" the lossless compression into uncompressed PCM. Unfortunately, again, s/pdif doesn't have the bandwidth to transfer 8 PCM channels so HDMI is the only way. I'm ignoring analog because most players don't offer it, and if yours does you probably already know this stuff.
do you have analog mutlichannel out puts on the player and inputs on the receiver?
I have a wire going from the blu ray player's coaxial output to the receiver. My HDMI cable is plugged directly into the tv.
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im no tech geek by i did spend an assload of money on a sound system and i have spent a lot of time on finding the best sound ....(about a year and over $400 on the different cable options)
i noticed once i hooked up a FIBER OPTIC CABLE from my cable box AND bluray player the sound was so much better and had a shit load of more depth to it .. i had tried every single combination till i found what i thought was best ... HDMI only for picture .. and FIBER OPTICS only for sound .. no sound comes from the TV they come directly out of the cable box/bluray player go directly to the receiver ..
if you ask me the fiber optic cables are the way to go for sound ..the difference is insane even when it comes to regular tv or sports games ...
From your cable box, probably fibre optic is among the best. From your Blu-ray player, you're doing yourself a disservice. My guess is you've got something set up wrong.
the two big improvements with Blu-ray are picture (resolution/bitrate) and sound (ditto). If you're using an optical cable, that's like using composite video cables and raving about the picture quality! It is impossible to unlock the potential audio quality of Blu-ray using optical. If you can't get better audio using HDMI into your amp then you need to check your settings or get better equipment.
do you have analog mutlichannel out puts on the player and inputs on the receiver?
I have a wire going from the blu ray player's coaxial output to the receiver. My HDMI cable is plugged directly into the tv.
My receiver usually automatically changes to DTS or dolby etc depending on what movie/tv show I watch so it seems like it can detect different types ofoutputs...if that helps at all.
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im no tech geek by i did spend an assload of money on a sound system and i have spent a lot of time on finding the best sound ....(about a year and over $400 on the different cable options)
i noticed once i hooked up a FIBER OPTIC CABLE from my cable box AND bluray player the sound was so much better and had a shit load of more depth to it .. i had tried every single combination till i found what i thought was best ... HDMI only for picture .. and FIBER OPTICS only for sound .. no sound comes from the TV they come directly out of the cable box/bluray player go directly to the receiver ..
if you ask me the fiber optic cables are the way to go for sound ..the difference is insane even when it comes to regular tv or sports games ...
From your cable box, probably fibre optic is among the best. From your Blu-ray player, you're doing yourself a disservice. My guess is you've got something set up wrong.
the two big improvements with Blu-ray are picture (resolution/bitrate) and sound (ditto). If you're using an optical cable, that's like using composite video cables and raving about the picture quality! It is impossible to unlock the potential audio quality of Blu-ray using optical. If you can't get better audio using HDMI into your amp then you need to check your settings or get better equipment.
you really think so ??? i tried every possible configuration and thought the fiber optic was the best by far ... i tried RCAs,HDMI,Fiber optic etc etc .. and with out a doubt the fiber optic cable won the contest .. i even played the first 40 mins of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN each time i switched combinations
do you have analog mutlichannel out puts on the player and inputs on the receiver?
I have a wire going from the blu ray player's coaxial output to the receiver. My HDMI cable is plugged directly into the tv.
Does your receiver have HDMI?
If not, then coaxial is probably as good as optical. I would still choose the lossless audio (what kind is it?)because the player will send the best quality lossy audio from the lossless track via coaxial (e.g. DTS core stream, Dolby Digital) which may be better quality than the lossy audio (probably better than DVD anyway). If you choose PCM, you'll only get 2.0 via coaxial.
If you do have HDMI, use that and a) use the lossless audio track and set your Blu-ray player to PCM output rather than Bitstream; or b) use the PCM surround track. There's no real way to know which of those tracks is best as I don't have their spec.
I don't have the Blu-ray yet, but does this even have lossless compression audio or only PCM?
Three listening options are available: PCM (Uncompressed) Stereo (48KHZ/24 BIT), PCM (Uncompressed) 5.1 Surround (48KHZ/24 BIT) and Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround (640 KBPS). After flipping around between the three, I found the uncompressed PCM 5.1 Surround to be the most hearty.
do you have analog mutlichannel out puts on the player and inputs on the receiver?
I have a wire going from the blu ray player's coaxial output to the receiver. My HDMI cable is plugged directly into the tv.
Does your receiver have HDMI?
If not, then coaxial is probably as good as optical. I would still choose the lossless audio (what kind is it?)because the player will send the best quality lossy audio from the lossless track via coaxial (e.g. DTS core stream, Dolby Digital) which may be better quality than the lossy audio (probably better than DVD anyway). If you choose PCM, you'll only get 2.0 via coaxial.
If you do have HDMI, use that and a) use the lossless audio track and set your Blu-ray player to PCM output rather than Bitstream; or b) use the PCM surround track. There's no real way to know which of those tracks is best as I don't have their spec.
I don't have the Blu-ray yet, but does this even have lossless compression audio or only PCM?
It's older so I don't think it does..I haven't checked in a while. If there is a PCM 5.1 mix will I still only get 2.0 via coaxial? It seems like I've gotten 5.1 on other blu ray releases..but I never adjust the sound..just enter the disk and press play.
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It's older so I don't think it does..I haven't checked in a while. If there is a PCM 5.1 mix will I still only get 2.0 via coaxial? It seems like I've gotten 5.1 on other blu ray releases..but I never adjust the sound..just enter the disk and press play.
OK, as above, "Three listening options are available: PCM (Uncompressed) Stereo (48KHZ/24 BIT), PCM (Uncompressed) 5.1 Surround (48KHZ/24 BIT) and Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround (640 KBPS). After flipping around between the three, I found the uncompressed PCM 5.1 Surround to be the most hearty."
So, that means if you choose either of the PCM tracks, you'll only get 2.0. Your receiver may matrix it and give you pseudo-surround but that's up to you. If you choose the DD track you'll get discrete (but lossy) surround sound. I'd try either the PCM stereo mix (this is designed specifically for 2 channels) and turn off any receiver surround processing or the DD track (this is still probably better quality than the DVD audio). The choice is between high quality stereo or lower quality surround, take your pick. The 5.1 PCM track will be pretty useless to you, I'd have thought but you could give it a go.
you really think so ??? i tried every possible configuration and thought the fiber optic was the best by far ... i tried RCAs,HDMI,Fiber optic etc etc .. and with out a doubt the fiber optic cable won the contest .. i even played the first 40 mins of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN each time i switched combinations
how would set up the bluray ??
With your setup, you might find that DVDs sound awesome too. All I'm telling you is that using optical out means you are not taking full advantage of the audio info on the BR. Maybe your system doesn't need that extra info to sound badass, I wouldn't know.
Watching Kids are 20 now....whoever said that my system would just convert the PCM surround mix into 5 ch stereo was right. I tried PCM surround mix, dolby surround mix, and stereo surround mix (converted to 5 ch). So far, I think the latter seems to have the best sound quality....The Dolby mix just didnt seem as good.
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Those were the same 3 audio options for the kids are twenty. The bonus features seemed to be a standard audio..not sure how else to describe it as the audio options didnt apply to them and could not be modified..it wasn't DTS. I dont believe the fans are alright had any audio options and I remember there just being 1 default audio track, but I could be mistaking. No DTS-HD Master Audio on any disk.
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Demetrios - if my understanding of these lossless technologies is accurate, even a lossless track like a DTS-HD MA track still isn't as good as a true linear PCM track - most discs don't have them because a linear PCM track for 5.1 surround is generally quite a huge file, as it's entirely uncompressed. Hence the necessity for the lossless formats.
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Demetrios - if my understanding of these lossless technologies is accurate, even a lossless track like a DTS-HD MA track still isn't as good as a true linear PCM track - most discs don't have them because a linear PCM track for 5.1 surround is generally quite a huge file, as it's entirely uncompressed. Hence the necessity for the lossless formats.
Your understanding is incorrect. Lossless means "no loss". So it's identical quality. I don't know why they didn't use lossless compression on the audio and free up more space for video or whatever but I guess it was either cheaper not to, or they ddn't need the space.
To be clear, LPCM, Dolby TrueHD and DTS -HD MA are identical in quality.
Watching Kids are 20 now....whoever said that my system would just convert the PCM surround mix into 5 ch stereo was right. I tried PCM surround mix, dolby surround mix, and stereo surround mix (converted to 5 ch). So far, I think the latter seems to have the best sound quality....The Dolby mix just didnt seem as good.
If you don't think the Dolby mix isn't that great then I would just stick to stereo. It's up to you, but I wouldn't let my receiver do any surround stuff to the PCM stereo as it's just mucking with the signal. Depending on your setup, your receiver may still send the low frequencies to the sub which would probably be OK.
Same boat..got the DVD deluxe..but most Blu ray players have 1080p upgrading...and alot of the footage wasn't filmed in hi-def..so unlike alot of newer movies my thought is it will be not so different..I have the movie on Blu ray from Best Buy..so when the deluxeDVD set comes can see difference.
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Yes, report back!
...and my tv is from 2008, but I was sure to get 1080p (not "i") when I got it.
it doesnt matter if it was filmed in HD anymore . they just convert it to HD..... you see the Nirvana DVD they just released from 1991 live at the paramount http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGc8jL4dzao
looks like it was filmed last year
That was shot on 16mm.
And what do you mean with it doesn't matter if it was filmed in HD because they convert it? A SD-source won't magically become HD crips becase you convert it...
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im no tech geek by i did spend an assload of money on a sound system and i have spent a lot of time on finding the best sound ....(about a year and over $400 on the different cable options)
i noticed once i hooked up a FIBER OPTIC CABLE from my cable box AND bluray player the sound was so much better and had a shit load of more depth to it .. i had tried every single combination till i found what i thought was best ... HDMI only for picture .. and FIBER OPTICS only for sound .. no sound comes from the TV they come directly out of the cable box/bluray player go directly to the receiver ..
if you ask me the fiber optic cables are the way to go for sound ..the difference is insane even when it comes to regular tv or sports games ...
but then again im running a 7.1 1,000 watt Mcintosch receiver and amp with boston acoustics and speaker craft speakers along with a 12" ceiling mounted sub
I have a wire going from the blu ray player's coaxial output to the receiver. My HDMI cable is plugged directly into the tv.
the two big improvements with Blu-ray are picture (resolution/bitrate) and sound (ditto). If you're using an optical cable, that's like using composite video cables and raving about the picture quality! It is impossible to unlock the potential audio quality of Blu-ray using optical. If you can't get better audio using HDMI into your amp then you need to check your settings or get better equipment.
My receiver usually automatically changes to DTS or dolby etc depending on what movie/tv show I watch so it seems like it can detect different types ofoutputs...if that helps at all.
you really think so ??? i tried every possible configuration and thought the fiber optic was the best by far ... i tried RCAs,HDMI,Fiber optic etc etc .. and with out a doubt the fiber optic cable won the contest .. i even played the first 40 mins of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN each time i switched combinations
how would set up the bluray ??
If not, then coaxial is probably as good as optical. I would still choose the lossless audio (what kind is it?)because the player will send the best quality lossy audio from the lossless track via coaxial (e.g. DTS core stream, Dolby Digital) which may be better quality than the lossy audio (probably better than DVD anyway). If you choose PCM, you'll only get 2.0 via coaxial.
If you do have HDMI, use that and a) use the lossless audio track and set your Blu-ray player to PCM output rather than Bitstream; or b) use the PCM surround track. There's no real way to know which of those tracks is best as I don't have their spec.
I don't have the Blu-ray yet, but does this even have lossless compression audio or only PCM?
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/5939/pj_20.html
* Bill Graham Civic Auditorium - Jul 18, 2006
* Key Arena - Sep 21, 2009
It's older so I don't think it does..I haven't checked in a while. If there is a PCM 5.1 mix will I still only get 2.0 via coaxial? It seems like I've gotten 5.1 on other blu ray releases..but I never adjust the sound..just enter the disk and press play.
So, that means if you choose either of the PCM tracks, you'll only get 2.0. Your receiver may matrix it and give you pseudo-surround but that's up to you. If you choose the DD track you'll get discrete (but lossy) surround sound. I'd try either the PCM stereo mix (this is designed specifically for 2 channels) and turn off any receiver surround processing or the DD track (this is still probably better quality than the DVD audio). The choice is between high quality stereo or lower quality surround, take your pick. The 5.1 PCM track will be pretty useless to you, I'd have thought but you could give it a go.
anyone want to hear pearl jam on these subs? (not my system BTW)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5tdPhaN ... re=related
* Bill Graham Civic Auditorium - Jul 18, 2006
* Key Arena - Sep 21, 2009
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
THATS INSANE ...
i can only imagine how LET ME RIDE by snoop dog/Dr. dre would sound on those things
Bonus clips, HD '09 + show's, are there any with DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1?
There 3 audio options for the main film:
English: LPCM 2.0 (48kHz, 24-bit)
English: LPCM 5.1 (48kHz, 24-bit)
English: Dolby Digital 5.1 (640 kbps)
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Speaking of Nerds, just found my Atomic Wedgie Collection box set. Their 3rd & 4th films were pretty bad. Nerds In Paradise though was awesome!!
Those were the same 3 audio options for the kids are twenty. The bonus features seemed to be a standard audio..not sure how else to describe it as the audio options didnt apply to them and could not be modified..it wasn't DTS. I dont believe the fans are alright had any audio options and I remember there just being 1 default audio track, but I could be mistaking. No DTS-HD Master Audio on any disk.
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To be clear, LPCM, Dolby TrueHD and DTS -HD MA are identical in quality.
If you don't think the Dolby mix isn't that great then I would just stick to stereo. It's up to you, but I wouldn't let my receiver do any surround stuff to the PCM stereo as it's just mucking with the signal. Depending on your setup, your receiver may still send the low frequencies to the sub which would probably be OK.
And what do you mean with it doesn't matter if it was filmed in HD because they convert it? A SD-source won't magically become HD crips becase you convert it...