How is the PJ20 Deluxe DVD versus the BluRay?

RedMosquito02

joe2468 wrote:

1,000 watt Mcintosch receiver

tasty

bazzer

Better Dan wrote:

It's older so I don't think it does..I haven't checked in a while. If there is a PCM 5.1 mix will I still only get 2.0 via coaxial? It seems like I've gotten 5.1 on other blu ray releases..but I never adjust the sound..just enter the disk and press play.

OK, as above, "Three listening options are available: PCM (Uncompressed) Stereo (48KHZ/24 BIT), PCM (Uncompressed) 5.1 Surround (48KHZ/24 BIT) and Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround (640 KBPS). After flipping around between the three, I found the uncompressed PCM 5.1 Surround to be the most hearty."

So, that means if you choose either of the PCM tracks, you'll only get 2.0. Your receiver may matrix it and give you pseudo-surround but that's up to you. If you choose the DD track you'll get discrete (but lossy) surround sound. I'd try either the PCM stereo mix (this is designed specifically for 2 channels) and turn off any receiver surround processing or the DD track (this is still probably better quality than the DVD audio). The choice is between high quality stereo or lower quality surround, take your pick. The 5.1 PCM track will be pretty useless to you, I'd have thought but you could give it a go.

bazzer

joe2468 wrote:

you really think so ??? i tried every possible configuration and thought the fiber optic was the best by far ... i tried RCAs,HDMI,Fiber optic etc etc .. and with out a doubt the fiber optic cable won the contest .. i even played the first 40 mins of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN each time i switched combinations


how would set up the bluray ??

With your setup, you might find that DVDs sound awesome too. All I'm telling you is that using optical out means you are not taking full advantage of the audio info on the BR. Maybe your system doesn't need that extra info to sound badass, I wouldn't know.

redkeeth

thanks for your post bazzer.

anyone want to hear pearl jam on these subs? (not my system BTW)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5tdPhaN ... re=related

CJMST3K

norm wrote:

joe2468

redkeeth wrote:

thanks for your post bazzer.

anyone want to hear pearl jam on these subs? (not my system BTW)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5tdPhaN ... re=related

THATS INSANE ...

i can only imagine how LET ME RIDE by snoop dog/Dr. dre would sound on those things thats enough movement in those subs to make your pubes shake

Better Dan

Watching Kids are 20 now....whoever said that my system would just convert the PCM surround mix into 5 ch stereo was right. I tried PCM surround mix, dolby surround mix, and stereo surround mix (converted to 5 ch). So far, I think the latter seems to have the best sound quality....The Dolby mix just didnt seem as good.

demetrios

Isn't the video resolution of these Blu-ray discs 1080i not 1080p?

Bonus clips, HD '09 + show's, are there any with DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1?

There 3 audio options for the main film:

English: LPCM 2.0 (48kHz, 24-bit)
English: LPCM 5.1 (48kHz, 24-bit)
English: Dolby Digital 5.1 (640 kbps)

demetrios

norm wrote:

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Speaking of Nerds, just found my Atomic Wedgie Collection box set. Their 3rd & 4th films were pretty bad. Nerds In Paradise though was awesome!!

Better Dan

demetrios wrote:

Isn't the video resolution of these Blu-ray discs 1080i not 1080p?

Bonus clips, HD '09 + show's, are there any with DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1?

There 3 audio options for the main film:

English: LPCM 2.0 (48kHz, 24-bit)
English: LPCM 5.1 (48kHz, 24-bit)
English: Dolby Digital 5.1 (640 kbps)

Those were the same 3 audio options for the kids are twenty. The bonus features seemed to be a standard audio..not sure how else to describe it as the audio options didnt apply to them and could not be modified..it wasn't DTS. I dont believe the fans are alright had any audio options and I remember there just being 1 default audio track, but I could be mistaking. No DTS-HD Master Audio on any disk.

benjs

Demetrios - if my understanding of these lossless technologies is accurate, even a lossless track like a DTS-HD MA track still isn't as good as a true linear PCM track - most discs don't have them because a linear PCM track for 5.1 surround is generally quite a huge file, as it's entirely uncompressed. Hence the necessity for the lossless formats.

bazzer

benjs wrote:

Demetrios - if my understanding of these lossless technologies is accurate, even a lossless track like a DTS-HD MA track still isn't as good as a true linear PCM track - most discs don't have them because a linear PCM track for 5.1 surround is generally quite a huge file, as it's entirely uncompressed. Hence the necessity for the lossless formats.

Your understanding is incorrect. Lossless means "no loss". So it's identical quality. I don't know why they didn't use lossless compression on the audio and free up more space for video or whatever but I guess it was either cheaper not to, or they ddn't need the space.

To be clear, LPCM, Dolby TrueHD and DTS -HD MA are identical in quality.

Better Dan wrote:

Watching Kids are 20 now....whoever said that my system would just convert the PCM surround mix into 5 ch stereo was right. I tried PCM surround mix, dolby surround mix, and stereo surround mix (converted to 5 ch). So far, I think the latter seems to have the best sound quality....The Dolby mix just didnt seem as good.

If you don't think the Dolby mix isn't that great then I would just stick to stereo. It's up to you, but I wouldn't let my receiver do any surround stuff to the PCM stereo as it's just mucking with the signal. Depending on your setup, your receiver may still send the low frequencies to the sub which would probably be OK.

Spiritual_Chaos

joe2468 wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

PJammer4life wrote:

Same boat..got the DVD deluxe..but most Blu ray players have 1080p upgrading...and alot of the footage wasn't filmed in hi-def..so unlike alot of newer movies my thought is it will be not so different..I have the movie on Blu ray from Best Buy..so when the deluxeDVD set comes can see difference.

Cool!

Yes, report back!

...and my tv is from 2008, but I was sure to get 1080p (not "i") when I got it.

it doesnt matter if it was filmed in HD anymore . they just convert it to HD..... you see the Nirvana DVD they just released from 1991 live at the paramount
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGc8jL4dzao
looks like it was filmed last year

That was shot on 16mm.

And what do you mean with it doesn't matter if it was filmed in HD because they convert it? A SD-source won't magically become HD crips becase you convert it...