How is the PJ20 Deluxe DVD versus the BluRay?

norm

i have a question with regards to content...is there any difference between the blu ray and dvd versions of the deluxe set? is the only difference that ne is blu ray and the other is standard dvd? gracias

En La Clandestinidad

norm wrote:

i have a question with regards to content...is there any difference between the blu ray and dvd versions of the deluxe set? is the only difference that ne is blu ray and the other is standard dvd? gracias

There isn't any difference between the two except for the video and adio quality.

CJMST3K

Brew Crew Tix wrote:

norm wrote:

i have a question with regards to content...is there any difference between the blu ray and dvd versions of the deluxe set? is the only difference that ne is blu ray and the other is standard dvd? gracias

There isn't any difference between the two except for the video and adio quality.

The audio quality is not as good on the DVD deluxe? I thought Bluray only affected the video.

BB29347

CJMST3K wrote:

So, I used to use optical cables all on the back of my 13 year old reciever. Then once I realized HDMI cables also had audio, I assumed it was the same quality audio as optical. Accurate or inaccurate?

To use the higher quality audio on Blu-ray, you have to use an HDMI cable. There's also an analog cable option, but it requires 6 or more wires and a Blu-ray player with analog audio output. Optical cables can only be used for Dolby Digital.

The PJ20 Blu-ray has both 2 higher quality audio mixes (1 stereo, 1 surround) than the DVD, as well as the Dolby Digital one.

norm

Brew Crew Tix wrote:

norm wrote:

i have a question with regards to content...is there any difference between the blu ray and dvd versions of the deluxe set? is the only difference that ne is blu ray and the other is standard dvd? gracias

There isn't any difference between the two except for the video and adio quality.

thanks!

CJMST3K

BB29347 wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

So, I used to use optical cables all on the back of my 13 year old reciever. Then once I realized HDMI cables also had audio, I assumed it was the same quality audio as optical. Accurate or inaccurate?

To use the higher quality audio on Blu-ray, you have to use an HDMI cable. There's also an analog cable option, but it requires 6 or more wires and a Blu-ray player with analog audio output. Optical cables can only be used for Dolby Digital.

The PJ20 Blu-ray has both 2 higher quality audio mixes (1 stereo, 1 surround) than the DVD, as well as the Dolby Digital one.

Son of a...

Oh well. I'll be happy I got the DVD deluxe at all.

bazzer

joe2468 wrote:

pjradio wrote:

2-feign-reluctance wrote:

1080p blu-ray, + optical digital audio. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. back to it....

THATS THE SETUP!!!....ENJOY!!!...

for the best possible audio hookup and MAKES A WOLRD OF DIFFERENCE ... FIBER OPTIC CABLE from the bluray player directly to your surround sound system ... if yours is not hooked up that way you are missing out on a lot of awesomeness... the difference is amazing



SORRY CHRIS FOR TURNING THIS INTO TECH TALK 101 ..

This is not true at all. As someone alluded to above, digital coax or optical (S/PDIF) don't have the bandwidth to support the high-res audio tracks. If you are using optical, you basically won't be getting sound any better than a regular DVD.

redkeeth

for the best possible audio hookup and MAKES A WOLRD OF DIFFERENCE ... FIBER OPTIC CABLE from the bluray player directly to your surround sound system ... if yours is not hooked up that way you are missing out on a lot of awesomeness... the difference is amazing

SORRY CHRIS FOR TURNING THIS INTO TECH TALK 101 .. [/quote]
This is not true at all. As someone alluded to above, digital coax or optical (S/PDIF) don't have the bandwidth to support the high-res audio tracks. If you are using optical, you basically won't be getting sound any better than a regular DVD.[/quote]



Let me chime in.

Many people connect with HDMI, optical or COAX to a receiver and think it is the best sound ever, but not always the case. RCAs can sometimes be superior in many instances.

If your receiver CANNOT DECODE THE LOSSLESS SOUNDTRACK (due to its age or make and model) it will basically decode with the latest codec it had at the time of production from the digital signal it is receiving.

If the receiver gets a digital audio signal be it HDMI, COAX or Optical from a blu-ray player and the receiver itself does not have the ability to decode the higher resolution audio. You are not getting the audio benefits of the higher resolution codecs. If you are doing this you are missing out on the sound possibilities.

If the blu-ray player has the decoder and the Receiver does NOT, there IS A WAY you may benefit from the higher resolution audio depending on your blu-ray player and your receivers ANALOG inputs and out puts.

If you have a multi-channel analog OUTPUT on your blu-ray player, and multi-channel analog INPUT on your receiver, simply use RCAs to connect the blu-ray audio to the receiver. This way it is your PLAYER decoding
for the receiver.

This is the only way you will hear the lossless audio through a receiver that does not have the ability to decode the higher resolution audio codecs.

HDMI is used for the VIDEO only in this case. So CABLES GALOR between the receiver and TV at least 7.

But if you REALLY want to benefit from the sound this is the way if the receiver cannot do it.

If I helped one person out this typing was worth it.

Better Dan

If your receiver cannot decode the lossless audio, is it better to choose the PCM surround option or the dolby?

redkeeth

do you have analog mutlichannel out puts on the player and inputs on the receiver?

joe2468

ok now this is getting out of control

im no tech geek by i did spend an assload of money on a sound system and i have spent a lot of time on finding the best sound ....(about a year and over $400 on the different cable options)

i noticed once i hooked up a FIBER OPTIC CABLE from my cable box AND bluray player the sound was so much better and had a shit load of more depth to it .. i had tried every single combination till i found what i thought was best ... HDMI only for picture .. and FIBER OPTICS only for sound .. no sound comes from the TV they come directly out of the cable box/bluray player go directly to the receiver ..

if you ask me the fiber optic cables are the way to go for sound ..the difference is insane even when it comes to regular tv or sports games ...



but then again im running a 7.1 1,000 watt Mcintosch receiver and amp with boston acoustics and speaker craft speakers along with a 12" ceiling mounted sub

bazzer

redkeeth wrote:

If you have a multi-channel analog OUTPUT on your blu-ray player, and multi-channel analog INPUT on your receiver, simply use RCAs to connect the blu-ray audio to the receiver. This way it is your PLAYER decoding
for the receiver.

This is the only way you will hear the lossless audio through a receiver that does not have the ability to decode the higher resolution audio codecs.

HDMI is used for the VIDEO only in this case. So CABLES GALOR between the receiver and TV at least 7.

But if you REALLY want to benefit from the sound this is the way if the receiver cannot do it.

If I helped one person out this typing was worth it.

Again, not quite true. If you have basically any HDMI 1.1 receiver you can get full HD as long as the player can output Linear PCM. Your receiver doesn't need to be able to understand the latest codecs (Dolby TrueHD etc) because the player "unzips" the lossless compression into uncompressed PCM. Unfortunately, again, s/pdif doesn't have the bandwidth to transfer 8 PCM channels so HDMI is the only way. I'm ignoring analog because most players don't offer it, and if yours does you probably already know this stuff.

norm

Better Dan

redkeeth wrote:

do you have analog mutlichannel out puts on the player and inputs on the receiver?

I have a wire going from the blu ray player's coaxial output to the receiver. My HDMI cable is plugged directly into the tv.

bazzer

joe2468 wrote:

ok now this is getting out of control

im no tech geek by i did spend an assload of money on a sound system and i have spent a lot of time on finding the best sound ....(about a year and over $400 on the different cable options)

i noticed once i hooked up a FIBER OPTIC CABLE from my cable box AND bluray player the sound was so much better and had a shit load of more depth to it .. i had tried every single combination till i found what i thought was best ... HDMI only for picture .. and FIBER OPTICS only for sound .. no sound comes from the TV they come directly out of the cable box/bluray player go directly to the receiver ..

if you ask me the fiber optic cables are the way to go for sound ..the difference is insane even when it comes to regular tv or sports games ...

From your cable box, probably fibre optic is among the best. From your Blu-ray player, you're doing yourself a disservice. My guess is you've got something set up wrong.

the two big improvements with Blu-ray are picture (resolution/bitrate) and sound (ditto). If you're using an optical cable, that's like using composite video cables and raving about the picture quality! It is impossible to unlock the potential audio quality of Blu-ray using optical. If you can't get better audio using HDMI into your amp then you need to check your settings or get better equipment.

Better Dan

Better Dan wrote:

redkeeth wrote:

do you have analog mutlichannel out puts on the player and inputs on the receiver?

I have a wire going from the blu ray player's coaxial output to the receiver. My HDMI cable is plugged directly into the tv.

My receiver usually automatically changes to DTS or dolby etc depending on what movie/tv show I watch so it seems like it can detect different types ofoutputs...if that helps at all.

joe2468

bazzer wrote:

joe2468 wrote:

ok now this is getting out of control

im no tech geek by i did spend an assload of money on a sound system and i have spent a lot of time on finding the best sound ....(about a year and over $400 on the different cable options)

i noticed once i hooked up a FIBER OPTIC CABLE from my cable box AND bluray player the sound was so much better and had a shit load of more depth to it .. i had tried every single combination till i found what i thought was best ... HDMI only for picture .. and FIBER OPTICS only for sound .. no sound comes from the TV they come directly out of the cable box/bluray player go directly to the receiver ..

if you ask me the fiber optic cables are the way to go for sound ..the difference is insane even when it comes to regular tv or sports games ...

From your cable box, probably fibre optic is among the best. From your Blu-ray player, you're doing yourself a disservice. My guess is you've got something set up wrong.

the two big improvements with Blu-ray are picture (resolution/bitrate) and sound (ditto). If you're using an optical cable, that's like using composite video cables and raving about the picture quality! It is impossible to unlock the potential audio quality of Blu-ray using optical. If you can't get better audio using HDMI into your amp then you need to check your settings or get better equipment.

you really think so ??? i tried every possible configuration and thought the fiber optic was the best by far ... i tried RCAs,HDMI,Fiber optic etc etc .. and with out a doubt the fiber optic cable won the contest .. i even played the first 40 mins of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN each time i switched combinations


how would set up the bluray ??

bazzer

Better Dan wrote:

redkeeth wrote:

do you have analog mutlichannel out puts on the player and inputs on the receiver?

I have a wire going from the blu ray player's coaxial output to the receiver. My HDMI cable is plugged directly into the tv.

Does your receiver have HDMI?

If not, then coaxial is probably as good as optical. I would still choose the lossless audio (what kind is it?)because the player will send the best quality lossy audio from the lossless track via coaxial (e.g. DTS core stream, Dolby Digital) which may be better quality than the lossy audio (probably better than DVD anyway). If you choose PCM, you'll only get 2.0 via coaxial.

If you do have HDMI, use that and a) use the lossless audio track and set your Blu-ray player to PCM output rather than Bitstream; or b) use the PCM surround track. There's no real way to know which of those tracks is best as I don't have their spec.

I don't have the Blu-ray yet, but does this even have lossless compression audio or only PCM?

redkeeth

Three listening options are available: PCM (Uncompressed) Stereo (48KHZ/24 BIT), PCM (Uncompressed) 5.1 Surround (48KHZ/24 BIT) and Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround (640 KBPS). After flipping around between the three, I found the uncompressed PCM 5.1 Surround to be the most hearty.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/5939/pj_20.html

Better Dan

bazzer wrote:

Better Dan wrote:

redkeeth wrote:

do you have analog mutlichannel out puts on the player and inputs on the receiver?

I have a wire going from the blu ray player's coaxial output to the receiver. My HDMI cable is plugged directly into the tv.

Does your receiver have HDMI?

If not, then coaxial is probably as good as optical. I would still choose the lossless audio (what kind is it?)because the player will send the best quality lossy audio from the lossless track via coaxial (e.g. DTS core stream, Dolby Digital) which may be better quality than the lossy audio (probably better than DVD anyway). If you choose PCM, you'll only get 2.0 via coaxial.

If you do have HDMI, use that and a) use the lossless audio track and set your Blu-ray player to PCM output rather than Bitstream; or b) use the PCM surround track. There's no real way to know which of those tracks is best as I don't have their spec.

I don't have the Blu-ray yet, but does this even have lossless compression audio or only PCM?

It's older so I don't think it does..I haven't checked in a while. If there is a PCM 5.1 mix will I still only get 2.0 via coaxial? It seems like I've gotten 5.1 on other blu ray releases..but I never adjust the sound..just enter the disk and press play.