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How is the PJ20 Deluxe DVD versus the BluRay?

CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
edited November 2011 in The Porch
I grabbed the DVD special edition once the Bluray special edition sold out.

...will it format correctly on a flatscreen (via a bluray player), and does it look pretty clear?

Wondering if/when mine shows up whether I should leave it sealed in hopes that a bluray comes out again, or if it's close enough to not miss the HD quality.
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  • joe2468joe2468 Posts: 3,049
    i'll tell you this .. i watched the bluray version on a 720 tv NOT 1080 and it still wa amazing ..

    i also watch alot of dvds on bluray players .. if anything it makes that much better ..


    REMEMBER YOU WONT GET THE FULL BLURAY PICTURE EFFECT WITH OUT A 1080p TV ....
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  • pjradiopjradio Posts: 6,704
    joe2468 wrote:
    REMEMBER YOU WONT GET THE FULL BLURAY PICTURE EFFECT WITH OUT A 1080p TV ....

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  • PJammer4lifePJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,669
    Same boat..got the DVD deluxe..but most Blu ray players have 1080p upgrading...and alot of the footage wasn't filmed in hi-def..so unlike alot of newer movies my thought is it will be not so different..I have the movie on Blu ray from Best Buy..so when the deluxeDVD set comes can see difference.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    PJammer4life wrote:
    Same boat..got the DVD deluxe..but most Blu ray players have 1080p upgrading...and alot of the footage wasn't filmed in hi-def..so unlike alot of newer movies my thought is it will be not so different..I have the movie on Blu ray from Best Buy..so when the deluxeDVD set comes can see difference.


    Cool!

    Yes, report back!

    ...and my tv is from 2008, but I was sure to get 1080p (not "i") when I got it. :D
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  • joe2468joe2468 Posts: 3,049
    CJMST3K wrote:
    PJammer4life wrote:
    Same boat..got the DVD deluxe..but most Blu ray players have 1080p upgrading...and alot of the footage wasn't filmed in hi-def..so unlike alot of newer movies my thought is it will be not so different..I have the movie on Blu ray from Best Buy..so when the deluxeDVD set comes can see difference.


    Cool!

    Yes, report back!

    ...and my tv is from 2008, but I was sure to get 1080p (not "i") when I got it. :D


    it doesnt matter if it was filmed in HD anymore . they just convert it to HD..... you see the Nirvana DVD they just released from 1991 live at the paramount
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGc8jL4dzao
    looks like it was filmed last year
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  • duccivespucci_2duccivespucci_2 Posts: 83
    Well, you could all be like me and be a complete idiot. I bought the BluRay on accident, I wanted the Deluxe DVD because I don't have a BluRay player or a Flatscreen TV. I'm still in the Caveman days. Also, my BluRay on my computer doesn't work for some reason. Says it has to download some Key thing but it stops downloading and freezes. Yeah for me, now I gotta get a Bluray player and I'm freaking poor. But it's my own fault. Idiot! lol!
  • pjradiopjradio Posts: 6,704
    joe2468 wrote:
    it doesnt matter if it was filmed in HD anymore . they just convert it to HD..... you see the Nirvana DVD they just released from 1991 live at the paramount
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGc8jL4dzao
    looks like it was filmed last year

    no shit...that DVD looks Great!
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  • PJammer4lifePJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,669
    Well if they convert it to HD..then it should be good..cause my Blu ray player has 1080p upgrade for DVDs. I imagine it is a similar process.
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  • todd-otodd-o Posts: 19
    duccivespucci_2 wrote:
    Well, you could all be like me and be a complete idiot. I bought the BluRay on accident, I wanted the Deluxe DVD because I don't have a BluRay player or a Flatscreen TV. I'm still in the Caveman days. Also, my BluRay on my computer doesn't work for some reason. Says it has to download some Key thing but it stops downloading and freezes. Yeah for me, now I gotta get a Bluray player and I'm freaking poor. But it's my own fault. Idiot! lol!

    i'll save you the $100 - send me your blu-ray set and i'll send you my dvd set at no charge!
    deal?
  • cifrancgxcifrancgx Columbus, OH USA Posts: 350
    joe2468 wrote:
    it doesnt matter if it was filmed in HD anymore . they just convert it to HD..... you see the Nirvana DVD they just released from 1991 live at the paramount
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGc8jL4dzao
    looks like it was filmed last year

    That depends on what they shot it in. I can't really tell but that Nirvana concert might have been shot on film. If that was the case, then there is enough resolution so it will look great when they transfer it to HD. Also notice though that it isn't in a wide aspect ration, it looks closer to 4:3. The stuff that was shot on standard def video wouldn't look as good (there is a lot of that throughout PJ20. They can upconvert it but it won't look as good as say those new interviews with the band members that Cameron Crowe did for PJ20.
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  • joe2468joe2468 Posts: 3,049
    cifrancgx wrote:
    joe2468 wrote:
    it doesnt matter if it was filmed in HD anymore . they just convert it to HD..... you see the Nirvana DVD they just released from 1991 live at the paramount
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGc8jL4dzao
    looks like it was filmed last year

    That depends on what they shot it in. I can't really tell but that Nirvana concert might have been shot on film. If that was the case, then there is enough resolution so it will look great when they transfer it to HD. Also notice though that it isn't in a wide aspect ration, it looks closer to 4:3. The stuff that was shot on standard def video wouldn't look as good (there is a lot of that throughout PJ20. They can upconvert it but it won't look as good as say those new interviews with the band members that Cameron Crowe did for PJ20.


    also true ...
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  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,446
    1080p blu-ray, + optical digital audio. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. back to it....
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  • pjradiopjradio Posts: 6,704
    2-feign-reluctance wrote:
    1080p blu-ray, + optical digital audio. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. back to it....


    THATS THE SETUP!!!....ENJOY!!!... :mrgreen:
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  • joe2468joe2468 Posts: 3,049
    pjradio wrote:
    2-feign-reluctance wrote:
    1080p blu-ray, + optical digital audio. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. back to it....


    THATS THE SETUP!!!....ENJOY!!!... :mrgreen:


    for the best possible audio hookup and MAKES A WOLRD OF DIFFERENCE ... FIBER OPTIC CABLE from the bluray player directly to your surround sound system ... if yours is not hooked up that way you are missing out on a lot of awesomeness... the difference is amazing



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  • TroubledSoulTroubledSoul Posts: 1,369
    or just use an hdmi cable?? a lot easier.

    as for the nirvana at the paramount, i saw it at the cinema and have it on bluray. the audio mix is ok but nothing special and the video looks like grainy SD. but it's a fucking awesome show... just to watch grohl.
    Yeh I've seen Pearl Jam, too. But I can't remember the dates.
  • BB29347BB29347 Posts: 26
    2-feign-reluctance wrote:
    1080p blu-ray, + optical digital audio. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. back to it....

    FYI the PJ20 Blu-ray is 1080i, not 1080p. I'm assuming they did this so they didn't have to alter the framerate of the old video content.
  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,446
    Well start calling you Dr. Sound! Hahaa!!



    quote="joe2468"]
    pjradio wrote:
    2-feign-reluctance wrote:
    1080p blu-ray, + optical digital audio. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. back to it....


    THATS THE SETUP!!!....ENJOY!!!... :mrgreen:


    for the best possible audio hookup and MAKES A WOLRD OF DIFFERENCE ... FIBER OPTIC CABLE from the bluray player directly to your surround sound system ... if yours is not hooked up that way you are missing out on a lot of awesomeness... the difference is amazing



    SORRY CHRIS FOR TURNING THIS INTO TECH TALK 101 .. :lol::lol::lol:[/quote]
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  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,446
    Ah, well I was talking about my TV. Missed a + sign there! Yes, I'll stay after school and re-do it. Hahaa!!
    BB29347 wrote:
    2-feign-reluctance wrote:
    1080p blu-ray, + optical digital audio. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. back to it....

    FYI the PJ20 Blu-ray is 1080i, not 1080p. I'm assuming they did this so they didn't have to alter the framerate of the old video content.
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  • -decodified--decodified- mobile device Posts: 2,688
    there is a big difference I imagine but is like when you rent a movie that is not release on Blu-Ray... you don't care, at this point I'll play the DVD's (got this one when the BR was sold out) and think to myself, this is not available on Blu-Ray so I will enjoy it more... :lol::lol::lol::lol: otherwise I'll kicking myself for a long time!!! ;)
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    joe2468 wrote:
    pjradio wrote:
    2-feign-reluctance wrote:
    1080p blu-ray, + optical digital audio. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. back to it....


    THATS THE SETUP!!!....ENJOY!!!... :mrgreen:


    for the best possible audio hookup and MAKES A WOLRD OF DIFFERENCE ... FIBER OPTIC CABLE from the bluray player directly to your surround sound system ... if yours is not hooked up that way you are missing out on a lot of awesomeness... the difference is amazing



    SORRY CHRIS FOR TURNING THIS INTO TECH TALK 101 .. :lol::lol::lol:



    That's fine with me!

    So, I used to use optical cables all on the back of my 13 year old reciever. Then once I realized HDMI cables also had audio, I assumed it was the same quality audio as optical. Accurate or inaccurate?

    ...and still looking for a good side-by-side review of the DVD deluxe played on a bluray player vs Bluray deluxe played on a bluray player.
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    i have a question with regards to content...is there any difference between the blu ray and dvd versions of the deluxe set? is the only difference that ne is blu ray and the other is standard dvd? gracias :)
  • En La ClandestinidadEn La Clandestinidad Telford, PA by way of Kansas City, MO and Milwaukee, WI, Phoenix, AZ and East Greenbush, NY Posts: 3,690
    norm wrote:
    i have a question with regards to content...is there any difference between the blu ray and dvd versions of the deluxe set? is the only difference that ne is blu ray and the other is standard dvd? gracias :)

    There isn't any difference between the two except for the video and adio quality.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Brew Crew Tix wrote:
    norm wrote:
    i have a question with regards to content...is there any difference between the blu ray and dvd versions of the deluxe set? is the only difference that ne is blu ray and the other is standard dvd? gracias :)

    There isn't any difference between the two except for the video and adio quality.


    The audio quality is not as good on the DVD deluxe? I thought Bluray only affected the video.
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  • BB29347BB29347 Posts: 26
    CJMST3K wrote:
    So, I used to use optical cables all on the back of my 13 year old reciever. Then once I realized HDMI cables also had audio, I assumed it was the same quality audio as optical. Accurate or inaccurate?

    To use the higher quality audio on Blu-ray, you have to use an HDMI cable. There's also an analog cable option, but it requires 6 or more wires and a Blu-ray player with analog audio output. Optical cables can only be used for Dolby Digital.

    The PJ20 Blu-ray has both 2 higher quality audio mixes (1 stereo, 1 surround) than the DVD, as well as the Dolby Digital one.
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Brew Crew Tix wrote:
    norm wrote:
    i have a question with regards to content...is there any difference between the blu ray and dvd versions of the deluxe set? is the only difference that ne is blu ray and the other is standard dvd? gracias :)

    There isn't any difference between the two except for the video and adio quality.

    thanks!
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    BB29347 wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:
    So, I used to use optical cables all on the back of my 13 year old reciever. Then once I realized HDMI cables also had audio, I assumed it was the same quality audio as optical. Accurate or inaccurate?

    To use the higher quality audio on Blu-ray, you have to use an HDMI cable. There's also an analog cable option, but it requires 6 or more wires and a Blu-ray player with analog audio output. Optical cables can only be used for Dolby Digital.

    The PJ20 Blu-ray has both 2 higher quality audio mixes (1 stereo, 1 surround) than the DVD, as well as the Dolby Digital one.


    Son of a...

    Oh well. I'll be happy I got the DVD deluxe at all.
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  • bazzerbazzer Posts: 3,126
    joe2468 wrote:
    pjradio wrote:
    2-feign-reluctance wrote:
    1080p blu-ray, + optical digital audio. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. back to it....


    THATS THE SETUP!!!....ENJOY!!!... :mrgreen:


    for the best possible audio hookup and MAKES A WOLRD OF DIFFERENCE ... FIBER OPTIC CABLE from the bluray player directly to your surround sound system ... if yours is not hooked up that way you are missing out on a lot of awesomeness... the difference is amazing



    SORRY CHRIS FOR TURNING THIS INTO TECH TALK 101 .. :lol::lol::lol:
    This is not true at all. As someone alluded to above, digital coax or optical (S/PDIF) don't have the bandwidth to support the high-res audio tracks. If you are using optical, you basically won't be getting sound any better than a regular DVD.
  • redkeethredkeeth Posts: 123
    for the best possible audio hookup and MAKES A WOLRD OF DIFFERENCE ... FIBER OPTIC CABLE from the bluray player directly to your surround sound system ... if yours is not hooked up that way you are missing out on a lot of awesomeness... the difference is amazing

    SORRY CHRIS FOR TURNING THIS INTO TECH TALK 101 .. :lol::lol::lol:[/quote]
    This is not true at all. As someone alluded to above, digital coax or optical (S/PDIF) don't have the bandwidth to support the high-res audio tracks. If you are using optical, you basically won't be getting sound any better than a regular DVD.[/quote]



    Let me chime in.

    Many people connect with HDMI, optical or COAX to a receiver and think it is the best sound ever, but not always the case. RCAs can sometimes be superior in many instances.

    If your receiver CANNOT DECODE THE LOSSLESS SOUNDTRACK (due to its age or make and model) it will basically decode with the latest codec it had at the time of production from the digital signal it is receiving.

    If the receiver gets a digital audio signal be it HDMI, COAX or Optical from a blu-ray player and the receiver itself does not have the ability to decode the higher resolution audio. You are not getting the audio benefits of the higher resolution codecs. If you are doing this you are missing out on the sound possibilities.

    If the blu-ray player has the decoder and the Receiver does NOT, there IS A WAY you may benefit from the higher resolution audio depending on your blu-ray player and your receivers ANALOG inputs and out puts.

    If you have a multi-channel analog OUTPUT on your blu-ray player, and multi-channel analog INPUT on your receiver, simply use RCAs to connect the blu-ray audio to the receiver. This way it is your PLAYER decoding
    for the receiver.

    This is the only way you will hear the lossless audio through a receiver that does not have the ability to decode the higher resolution audio codecs.

    HDMI is used for the VIDEO only in this case. So CABLES GALOR between the receiver and TV at least 7.

    But if you REALLY want to benefit from the sound this is the way if the receiver cannot do it.

    If I helped one person out this typing was worth it.
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  • Better DanBetter Dan Posts: 5,684
    If your receiver cannot decode the lossless audio, is it better to choose the PCM surround option or the dolby?
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  • redkeethredkeeth Posts: 123
    do you have analog mutlichannel out puts on the player and inputs on the receiver?
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