Bushleaguer @ Nassau 2003

Jamminonthe1 wrote:

I was there and I thought it was just great. People did leave after the song, but they certainly were not running for the exits. Eddie said some more things than what was showed in PJ20 that should have been in the movie (maybe they are in the Kids are 20 cut - I haven't seen it yet). I think he handled it well. It was a strange time because you weren't allowed to be pro- or anti-Bush at the time and he obviously took a side on a big stage in NY. I hate when people say bands shouldn't get political or actors shouldn't get political. They have the right like everyone else - it's our choice to ignore them or listen to them. One of the many great moments I've been able to see the band have over the past 12 years as a NYer, including the Betterman standoff between Eddie and the crowd at the Garden that was also featured in PJ20.

What I would love is a disc of Eddie's stories and rants - no music, just Eddie saying shit at shows between songs.

slightofjeff wrote:

Cob wrote:

I am still VERY confused as to what happened @ this show and again I wasn't there and I don't live in the New York area. Were people booing because they were/are Bush backers and/or Republicans and they didn't agree with a song being played that wasn't agreeing with their political affiliation?

Or were people booing because they somehow thought that the song was negative about what happened on 9/11??? As I said, I am VERY confused because the song is a dig @ George Bush Jr. (I don't call him W as he was Jr. in Texas FOREVER) and to me doesn't have a thing to do with what happened on that terrible day.

Would the same people if they were (Republicans) be booing today if say a band (or say Toby Keith) came out and played a song that was a dig @ Obama and the singer brought out a mask of Obama or would they be cheering?? As I have stated many times, I know people booed and some people left the show, but I am asking an honest question as to WHY they did this?

When you are at war, as the United States was on that day, and there's a dude on stage stomping the mask of your country's president, what are you supposed to think?

Right are wrong, the reaction that some had in the crowd -- particularly if they'd had loved ones killed in the attacks less than two years earlier -- is understandable, if not completely rational.

slightofjeff wrote:

When you are at war, as the United States was on that day, and there's a dude on stage stomping the mask ofyour country's president, what are you supposed to think?

Right are wrong, the reaction that some had in the crowd -- particularly if they'd had loved ones killed in the attacks less than two years earlier -- is understandable, if not completely rational.

Cosmo wrote:

slightofjeff wrote:

When you are at war, as the United States was on that day, and there's a dude on stage stomping the mask ofyour country's president, what are you supposed to think?

Right are wrong, the reaction that some had in the crowd -- particularly if they'd had loved ones killed in the attacks less than two years earlier -- is understandable, if not completely rational.

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We are still at war. Those same people should be upset when they see pictures of President Obama with Hitler moustaches drawn on... you'd think... right?

josevolution wrote:

All i know is once i saw Ed slam the mic down after Know your Right which by the way is the fucking best version of it period , i knew i had seen the last show by this band here on this clueless island and i'm happy for it . I also remember getting some shit by some idiot on the beer line about my Get right Tshirt i was wearing i had to actually spell it out to the moron what the words are .......He thought it was some pro muslim slogan i'm still embarrased by the people you encounter at shows around these parts .....

Kathi wrote:

I still don't get the connection between being against Bush and being disrespectful to those who lost loved ones in 9/11.
Personally, I really like the song, and I respect them for openly stating their views on Bush and on the war, especially during that time. I also doubt I could support a band that completely contradicts my own political believes, and as someone mentioned above, you knew how they see saw the situation, so you'd expect statements.

Go Beavers wrote:

Get_Right wrote:

I think the anger in the crowd came from a perception that EV was disrepecting the office by mugging with the mask-that was perceived as being unpatriotic when patriotism was at an all time high.

It depends on how someone defines patriotism. Foaming at the mouth and chest-thumping because we're blowing up a country (that had nothing to do with 9/11) and carrying out an unjust war isn't my definition of patriotism.

The song should've been played. The climate at the time was that if anyone spoke out against the Bush administration, they were accused of basically committing treason. This general attitude is what Bush used to drive the country into an unjustifiable war. The general conformist attitude of the public, combined with the press giving Bush a free pass, contributed to going into Iraq, as well as Bush's re-election in '04.