Bushleaguer @ Nassau 2003

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We gave Ed the old "cold shoulder" when he tried playing it in boston / mansfield...
In 2003

I posted in the pit that "masters of war" would be a better choice for Ed to vent his anger, and well... 2004 saw the bands premeire of playing masters of war...

Never did get That check from Ed?

Oh well?!

Cheo Ramirez

pj 20 book talk about this, MC said that there were three more songs to play

MagnumPJ

october22 wrote:

Cob wrote:

I am still VERY confused as to what happened @ this show and again I wasn't there and I don't live in the New York area. Were people booing because they were/are Bush backers and/or Republicans and they didn't agree with a song being played that wasn't agreeing with their political affiliation?

Or were people booing because they somehow thought that the song was negative about what happened on 9/11??? As I said, I am VERY confused because the song is a dig @ George Bush Jr. (I don't call him W as he was Jr. in Texas FOREVER) and to me doesn't have a thing to do with what happened on that terrible day.

Would the same people if they were (Republicans) be booing today if say a band (or say Toby Keith) came out and played a song that was a dig @ Obama and the singer brought out a mask of Obama or would they be cheering?? As I have stated many times, I know people booed and some people left the show, but I am asking an honest question as to WHY they did this?

Maybe I can shed some light; people not from the area generally lump New York City in with every other part of the state, politically speaking, and this is not the most accurate way to think of New York in general. Simply put, Long Island is full of dicks.

I am not trying to be snarky. This is a basic fact and I think even Long Islanders here would agree. It is a part of town that for the most part is full of arrogant, short-sighted, frat-like pricks. They are largely conservative republicans (in the Bush sense, not the Ron Paul sense) and can be summed up as simple and boorish. You don't even have to visit for proof. It you are ever in Manhattan, stop by the good old Long Island Railroad and have a look. The only plus is that the women are a bit like Essex girls (for my English brothers and sisters out there).

In Long Island's defense though, for all of the above, Staten Island still wears the crown.

I would strongly disagree Long Island is full of dicks. It's another generalization of an area that certainly does have its patches which uphold the stigma, but nonetheless only makes these preconceptions worse. Being from Long Island, I am certainly aware that NJ isn't full of Jersey Shore characters and therefore don't play into that perception.

And I agree with another post because 9/11 is not "ours". We are fully aware of the sacrifice entirely too many Americans have made going overseas fighting these ludicrous conflicts, as well as recognize that NY wasn't only attacked that day but the entire country was. But 18 months afterward, we were still going to school every day seeing friends who lost parents, or walking through town seeing, or worse, not seeing the firefighters from not only NYC but from our local villages who rushed in that day. So please do not disregard the "rawness" that was still evident in the every day lives of many people in the area whether they were wealthy republicans, wealthy democrats, working class repubs, working class dems...you get the point. The area is still the same makeup now and I doubt if this song was played now at the coliseum it would generate the same response.

MagnumPJ

And I suppose there never will be a resolution on the this topic, which is okay. No one emotionally interprets situations the same way. I am sure some of those who did boo might regret that now, and vice versa potentially, too. All it takes is a little match to be lit, some people put it out and others let it burn. Throw beer into the mix, and it's anyone's game at that point.

ComeToTX

october22 wrote:

AND, more to the point, it had nothing to do with 9/11. Those assholes have no more right to 9/11 than the rest of us. It has to do with the politics of the island, not 9/11 sympathy. Long Island largely prides itself on blue collar conservatism of the worst kind. I know how what I'm writing reads, but I grew up here (not in LI but in the area). I have to stress that I am speaking of the culture at large, of course not EVERY person from LI is like that but the culture is.

And most people forget that Bush was still (and still is in many places) very popular at that time.

I'm tired of reading "the area was raw at the time" bullshit. I had friends that had just been sent to Iraq and we were pissed that they were going! We knew it was wrong from the start! There is no excuse for ignorance. Do not make it an emotional issue. It is a matter of being informed or not being informed. At the end of the day, Pearl Jam and Eddie were on the right side of history. Shame on everyone who boo'ed that night.

And don't give me that "respect the president" bullshit either. One of the things I cherish most about being an American is my absolute respect for the Office but my total willingness to spit on the man who commits injustice while holding it.

I just read through all 9 pages and had a reply but you nailed it on page 8 and save me some time!