I think the anger in the crowd came from a perception that EV was disrepecting the office by mugging with the mask-that was perceived as being unpatriotic when patriotism was at an all time high.
This was one month after the invasion of Iraq. My perception is that the crazy amount of patriotism had already subsided by this point as many people were supporting the Afghanistan war but not this one.
Dude, it's embarrassing to look back on it now, but I'd say the VAST majority of rank-and-file Americans were completely on board with Iraq at first. One month in, patriotism was STILL at an all-time high.
When they toppled that statue of Saddam? America got a huge woody.
I'd imagine at the moment PJ took the stage in Uniondale that night, George W's approval rating was in the 60s, at least.
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i thought it was AWESOME that they played the song, i honestly was a bit surprised by some of the crowds reaction (we cheered) but i do realize, we are minority here in nassau as it is big-time republican country and sure, after 09.11......so many of us NYers lost friends/family...or at least knew of people who did, i personally know no one untouched in one way or another. you live here, you were affected. idk if that contributed to the reaction or not, can't say....though i think it really added to the show, so memorable, and honestly i don't think ed should've been too surprised given the political demographic here. i was a bit disappointed with his anger over it, cutting the show short...but c'est la vie. don't love the tune but love it's message....and what a memory for a first show!
I was there and I thought it was just great. People did leave after the song, but they certainly were not running for the exits. Eddie said some more things than what was showed in PJ20 that should have been in the movie (maybe they are in the Kids are 20 cut - I haven't seen it yet). I think he handled it well. It was a strange time because you weren't allowed to be pro- or anti-Bush at the time and he obviously took a side on a big stage in NY. I hate when people say bands shouldn't get political or actors shouldn't get political. They have the right like everyone else - it's our choice to ignore them or listen to them. One of the many great moments I've been able to see the band have over the past 12 years as a NYer, including the Betterman standoff between Eddie and the crowd at the Garden that was also featured in PJ20.
What I would love is a disc of Eddie's stories and rants - no music, just Eddie saying shit at shows between songs.
the song should not have been played, it was too close to 9/11 and long island is filled with cops and fireman and other first responders. no matter how everyone hated bush he was the one all the first responders looked up to when they had this feeling of dread and loss and weere looking for someones ass to kick. I hated bush I hated the WAR but I was at the show and i was booing also. it was too soon and not the place for it. only time the band ever pissed me off (not like i matter just wanted to chime in)
But can't you see how the Bush admin took advantage of this in order to drive the country to war?
I am still VERY confused as to what happened @ this show and again I wasn't there and I don't live in the New York area. Were people booing because they were/are Bush backers and/or Republicans and they didn't agree with a song being played that wasn't agreeing with their political affiliation?
Or were people booing because they somehow thought that the song was negative about what happened on 9/11??? As I said, I am VERY confused because the song is a dig @ George Bush Jr. (I don't call him W as he was Jr. in Texas FOREVER) and to me doesn't have a thing to do with what happened on that terrible day.
Would the same people if they were (Republicans) be booing today if say a band (or say Toby Keith) came out and played a song that was a dig @ Obama and the singer brought out a mask of Obama or would they be cheering?? As I have stated many times, I know people booed and some people left the show, but I am asking an honest question as to WHY they did this?
When you are at war, as the United States was on that day, and there's a dude on stage stomping the mask of your country's president, what are you supposed to think?
Right are wrong, the reaction that some had in the crowd -- particularly if they'd had loved ones killed in the attacks less than two years earlier -- is understandable, if not completely rational.
Ed never stomped on the mask did he?
People listen to Bushleaguer at Arnhem '06 and what Ed says after the song before going into Leash. I agree with everything he says
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All i know is once i saw Ed slam the mic down after Know your Right which by the way is the fucking best version of it period , i knew i had seen the last show by this band here on this clueless island and i'm happy for it . I also remember getting some shit by some idiot on the beer line about my Get right Tshirt i was wearing i had to actually spell it out to the moron what the words are .......He thought it was some pro muslim slogan i'm still embarrased by the people you encounter at shows around these parts .....
All i know is once i saw Ed slam the mic down after Know your Right which by the way is the fucking best version of it period , i knew i had seen the last show by this band here on this clueless island and i'm happy for it . I also remember getting some shit by some idiot on the beer line about my Get right Tshirt i was wearing i had to actually spell it out to the moron what the words are .......He thought it was some pro muslim slogan i'm still embarrased by the people you encounter at shows around these parts .....
When you are at war, as the United States was on that day, and there's a dude on stage stomping the mask ofyour country's president, what are you supposed to think?
Right are wrong, the reaction that some had in the crowd -- particularly if they'd had loved ones killed in the attacks less than two years earlier -- is understandable, if not completely rational.
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We are still at war. Those same people should be upset when they see pictures of President Obama with Hitler moustaches drawn on... you'd think... right?
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All i know is once i saw Ed slam the mic down after Know your Right which by the way is the fucking best version of it period , i knew i had seen the last show by this band here on this clueless island and i'm happy for it . I also remember getting some shit by some idiot on the beer line about my Get right Tshirt i was wearing i had to actually spell it out to the moron what the words are .......He thought it was some pro muslim slogan i'm still embarrased by the people you encounter at shows around these parts .....
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I was Adam he started to yell out some bullshit and i had to actually point it out to him man what an asshat , i get such an embarrasing feeling just thinking about that moment and this was before the show even started not knowing what was to be played out was even more embarrasing great show by the way .....The band was so tight that night might of been the best of 03 ....
When you are at war, as the United States was on that day, and there's a dude on stage stomping the mask ofyour country's president, what are you supposed to think?
Right are wrong, the reaction that some had in the crowd -- particularly if they'd had loved ones killed in the attacks less than two years earlier -- is understandable, if not completely rational.
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We are still at war. Those same people should be upset when they see pictures of President Obama with Hitler moustaches drawn on... you'd think... right?
I still don't get the connection between being against Bush and being disrespectful to those who lost loved ones in 9/11.
Personally, I really like the song, and I respect them for openly stating their views on Bush and on the war, especially during that time. I also doubt I could support a band that completely contradicts my own political believes, and as someone mentioned above, you knew how they see saw the situation, so you'd expect statements.
All i know is once i saw Ed slam the mic down after Know your Right which by the way is the fucking best version of it period , i knew i had seen the last show by this band here on this clueless island and i'm happy for it . I also remember getting some shit by some idiot on the beer line about my Get right Tshirt i was wearing i had to actually spell it out to the moron what the words are .......He thought it was some pro muslim slogan i'm still embarrased by the people you encounter at shows around these parts .....
I have that shirt also, and have also had to explain that it says Get Right, (not at that show tho). It really is annoying to be from LI and encounter people like this. Gives Long Island a bad name.
I think the anger in the crowd came from a perception that EV was disrepecting the office by mugging with the mask-that was perceived as being unpatriotic when patriotism was at an all time high.
This was one month after the invasion of Iraq. My perception is that the crazy amount of patriotism had already subsided by this point as many people were supporting the Afghanistan war but not this one.
Dude, it's embarrassing to look back on it now, but I'd say the VAST majority of rank-and-file Americans were completely on board with Iraq at first. One month in, patriotism was STILL at an all-time high.
When they toppled that statue of Saddam? America got a huge woody.
I'd imagine at the moment PJ took the stage in Uniondale that night, George W's approval rating was in the 60s, at least.
Looks like you are right. Most people I knew had already hated Bush at that point. But I was a high schooler in New York at that time so I was not exposed to many viewpoints.
I still don't get the connection between being against Bush and being disrespectful to those who lost loved ones in 9/11.
Personally, I really like the song, and I respect them for openly stating their views on Bush and on the war, especially during that time. I also doubt I could support a band that completely contradicts my own political believes, and as someone mentioned above, you knew how they see saw the situation, so you'd expect statements.
I never thought people might be booing BUSH not the band criticizing Bush until I read it here... hmmmm... although it's entirely evident that they are booing the band by the end of the song. I love on the bootleg you can hear a guy shouting out "play some fucking rock and roll!" between Ed's speech.
BTW that version is nothing without the speech that followed on the bootleg... does anyone know if the speech part is included in The Kids Are Twenty version?
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I think the anger in the crowd came from a perception that EV was disrepecting the office by mugging with the mask-that was perceived as being unpatriotic when patriotism was at an all time high.
It depends on how someone defines patriotism. Foaming at the mouth and chest-thumping because we're blowing up a country (that had nothing to do with 9/11) and carrying out an unjust war isn't my definition of patriotism.
The song should've been played. The climate at the time was that if anyone spoke out against the Bush administration, they were accused of basically committing treason. This general attitude is what Bush used to drive the country into an unjustifiable war. The general conformist attitude of the public, combined with the press giving Bush a free pass, contributed to going into Iraq, as well as Bush's re-election in '04.
When you are at war, as the United States was on that day, and there's a dude on stage stomping the mask ofyour country's president, what are you supposed to think?
Right are wrong, the reaction that some had in the crowd -- particularly if they'd had loved ones killed in the attacks less than two years earlier -- is understandable, if not completely rational.
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We are still at war. Those same people should be upset when they see pictures of President Obama with Hitler moustaches drawn on... you'd think... right?
I agree but it has nothing to do with Nassau ...
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Well, I remember 2003 when that actually happened (and the earlier event in Denver).
The gist of the arguements were:
On one side... the song is about President Bush, not about American troops or victims of the September 11, 2001 attacks.
The other side was primarily... we should stand by the president in time of war... regardless.
I'm wondering... do those on the latter side still feel this way... in 2011? Or does partisan politics come into play?
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I never thought people might be booing BUSH not the band criticizing Bush until I read it here... hmmmm... although it's entirely evident that they are booing the band by the end of the song. I love on the bootleg you can hear a guy shouting out "play some fucking rock and roll!" between Ed's speech.
BTW that version is nothing without the speech that followed on the bootleg... does anyone know if the speech part is included in The Kids Are Twenty version?
Yes, the speech is included in The Kids are Twenty.
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Well, I remember 2003 when that actually happened (and the earlier event in Denver).
The gist of the arguements were:
On one side... the song is about President Bush, not about American troops or victims of the September 11, 2001 attacks.
The other side was primarily... we should stand by the president in time of war... regardless.
I'm wondering... do those on the latter side still feel this way... in 2011? Or does partisan politics come into play?
Good question?? Did you support Bush? If not your question is partisan itself. Bush or Obama could cure freaking cancer and someone would still find something to complain about.
I was there and in the front row! Wonder if I made the movie?! lol I'm waiting for my blu-ray to arrive to watch it. This show was absolutely amazing from beginning to end.. and one of the best PJ shows I've been too. "Know Your Rights" was intense to witness up close.
Is the version of this from the movie the same one on the soundtrack? On the cd it kind of seems like the boos have been edited out but you can clearly hear it in the movie.
Good question?? Did you support Bush? If not your question is partisan itself. Bush or Obama could cure freaking cancer and someone would still find something to complain about.
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Me? I supported Bush... until he left Afghanistan half-baked and focused on Iraq. We needed to get Afghanistan up and running to about 85% before we took on any other military tasks. Iraq was a huge investment in manpower and military and financial resources. There was a reason WHY President G.H.W. Bush knew going into Baghdad in 1991 was a bad option. Hussein was being contained and we could keep him contained for decades. The thing that scared Hussein more than the U.S. prior to 2002? Iran.
I'm no military strategist, but I know what Viet Nam looks like. Iraq in 2002 looked like Viet Nam in 1965, except without the jungle. No military occupation works out in the long run.
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That is the anger of Bushleager. Not Anti-American... not Pro-Iraq... not insensative towards 9/11. Bush... the Bush Administration and the drive to war... that was the anger.
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First off, the band has every right to play this song when ever, and where ever they want to. Also people have a right to boo if they don't like it, they don't have a right to throw things at the artist though. If you don't like it that much leave.
That being said, the Denver situation had already happened so people should have known what to expect, especially if you were in the 10C and had even bought Riot Act. It should have been no surprise for anyone that this happened. If you were a casual fan than OK, I can see that you would have been caught off gaurd. I in no way see the connection between the song and 9/11, the song is about Bush, not 9/11, and if anything the song is more "american" in it's freedom of speech than "unamerican". I hate bush and pretty much the entire GOP agenda, and while I think it's far from PJ's best song instramentally, lyrically it's genious!
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I'm pretty sure the people who dislike the Bushleaguer song/act did not know to expect it, did not own Riot Act, had never heard or heard OF the song, did not know the name, etc... They were there for Even Flow, Alive, and Jeremy. Band plays this weird spoken word piece slamming the big patriotic President, they boo... big deal.
I was at the Denver show, no one cared, big media blow-up from probably 5 people that would have left during the encore to beat the traffic anyway... and for the record, Ed DID "impale" the mask on the mic stand, looking like Bush's head on a pike... he held the mic stand way up above his head (I have a photo of it) and then let it crash to the ground. He wasn't "just" singing to it, using the stand as somewhere to "place" the mask so he could sing to it, as he says in the PJ20 book interview (which I think was from Rolling Stone '03). Nice try, but I was there and I've got the proof.
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Dude, it's embarrassing to look back on it now, but I'd say the VAST majority of rank-and-file Americans were completely on board with Iraq at first. One month in, patriotism was STILL at an all-time high.
When they toppled that statue of Saddam? America got a huge woody.
I'd imagine at the moment PJ took the stage in Uniondale that night, George W's approval rating was in the 60s, at least.
for the least they could possibly do
i thought it was AWESOME that they played the song, i honestly was a bit surprised by some of the crowds reaction (we cheered) but i do realize, we are minority here in nassau as it is big-time republican country and sure, after 09.11......so many of us NYers lost friends/family...or at least knew of people who did, i personally know no one untouched in one way or another. you live here, you were affected. idk if that contributed to the reaction or not, can't say....though i think it really added to the show, so memorable, and honestly i don't think ed should've been too surprised given the political demographic here. i was a bit disappointed with his anger over it, cutting the show short...but c'est la vie. don't love the tune but love it's message....and what a memory for a first show!
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But can't you see how the Bush admin took advantage of this in order to drive the country to war?
Ed never stomped on the mask did he?
People listen to Bushleaguer at Arnhem '06 and what Ed says after the song before going into Leash. I agree with everything he says
And I fucking love this song!
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We are still at war. Those same people should be upset when they see pictures of President Obama with Hitler moustaches drawn on... you'd think... right?
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I was Adam he started to yell out some bullshit and i had to actually point it out to him man what an asshat , i get such an embarrasing feeling just thinking about that moment and this was before the show even started not knowing what was to be played out was even more embarrasing great show by the way .....The band was so tight that night might of been the best of 03 ....
I agree but it has nothing to do with Nassau ...
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Personally, I really like the song, and I respect them for openly stating their views on Bush and on the war, especially during that time. I also doubt I could support a band that completely contradicts my own political believes, and as someone mentioned above, you knew how they see saw the situation, so you'd expect statements.
Yeah that was sick i need to listen to this boot and the best Long Road ever ...
I have that shirt also, and have also had to explain that it says Get Right, (not at that show tho). It really is annoying to be from LI and encounter people like this. Gives Long Island a bad name.
Looks like you are right. Most people I knew had already hated Bush at that point. But I was a high schooler in New York at that time so I was not exposed to many viewpoints.
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Totally agree.
BTW that version is nothing without the speech that followed on the bootleg... does anyone know if the speech part is included in The Kids Are Twenty version?
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Well, I remember 2003 when that actually happened (and the earlier event in Denver).
The gist of the arguements were:
On one side... the song is about President Bush, not about American troops or victims of the September 11, 2001 attacks.
The other side was primarily... we should stand by the president in time of war... regardless.
I'm wondering... do those on the latter side still feel this way... in 2011? Or does partisan politics come into play?
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Yes, the speech is included in The Kids are Twenty.
Good question?? Did you support Bush? If not your question is partisan itself. Bush or Obama could cure freaking cancer and someone would still find something to complain about.
Me? I supported Bush... until he left Afghanistan half-baked and focused on Iraq. We needed to get Afghanistan up and running to about 85% before we took on any other military tasks. Iraq was a huge investment in manpower and military and financial resources. There was a reason WHY President G.H.W. Bush knew going into Baghdad in 1991 was a bad option. Hussein was being contained and we could keep him contained for decades. The thing that scared Hussein more than the U.S. prior to 2002? Iran.
I'm no military strategist, but I know what Viet Nam looks like. Iraq in 2002 looked like Viet Nam in 1965, except without the jungle. No military occupation works out in the long run.
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That is the anger of Bushleager. Not Anti-American... not Pro-Iraq... not insensative towards 9/11. Bush... the Bush Administration and the drive to war... that was the anger.
Hail, Hail!!!
That being said, the Denver situation had already happened so people should have known what to expect, especially if you were in the 10C and had even bought Riot Act. It should have been no surprise for anyone that this happened. If you were a casual fan than OK, I can see that you would have been caught off gaurd. I in no way see the connection between the song and 9/11, the song is about Bush, not 9/11, and if anything the song is more "american" in it's freedom of speech than "unamerican". I hate bush and pretty much the entire GOP agenda, and while I think it's far from PJ's best song instramentally, lyrically it's genious!
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I was at the Denver show, no one cared, big media blow-up from probably 5 people that would have left during the encore to beat the traffic anyway... and for the record, Ed DID "impale" the mask on the mic stand, looking like Bush's head on a pike... he held the mic stand way up above his head (I have a photo of it) and then let it crash to the ground. He wasn't "just" singing to it, using the stand as somewhere to "place" the mask so he could sing to it, as he says in the PJ20 book interview (which I think was from Rolling Stone '03). Nice try, but I was there and I've got the proof.
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As a new yorker who lost people on 9/11.....it was just horrible timing to play the song