Forced vaccination

Johnnyguitarwatson
Johnnyguitarwatson Posts: 296
edited October 2011 in A Moving Train
My wife is being forced to get the flu shot... She works in the medical field.
Other than being fired, what options does she have to avoid the shot ?
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    I'm sure to draw fire for suggesting this, but you might post your question here:

    http://www.aclu.org/contact-us
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • conman
    conman Posts: 7,493
    what's her beef with the flu shot?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Here's another idea- have her ask if she can wear a surgical mask in lieu of the vaccination during flu season.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Johnnyguitarwatson
    Johnnyguitarwatson Posts: 296
    conman wrote:
    what's her beef with the flu shot?

    Don't believe in it.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,229
    i work in medicine, and i believe that it is unethical for anyone involved in direct patient care, especially caring for the elderly and those with a depressed immune system, it is reckless and unethical to NOT get the shot.

    people in health care are charged with caring for others, and if you fail to get the flu vaccine you run the risk of exposing others to a virus that can potentially kill them. it is counter to the whole concept of patients seeking help from a medical professional....

    you have to get other injections, hep b vaccine, etc, so a flu shot is not going to be a big deal.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i work in medicine, and i believe that it is unethical for anyone involved in direct patient care, especially caring for the elderly and those with a depressed immune system, it is reckless and unethical to NOT get the shot.

    people in health care are charged with caring for others, and if you fail to get the flu vaccine you run the risk of exposing others to a virus that can potentially kill them. it is counter to the whole concept of patients seeking help from a medical professional....

    you have to get other injections, hep b vaccine, etc, so a flu shot is not going to be a big deal.

    It's a personal choice.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,229
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i work in medicine, and i believe that it is unethical for anyone involved in direct patient care, especially caring for the elderly and those with a depressed immune system, it is reckless and unethical to NOT get the shot.

    people in health care are charged with caring for others, and if you fail to get the flu vaccine you run the risk of exposing others to a virus that can potentially kill them. it is counter to the whole concept of patients seeking help from a medical professional....

    you have to get other injections, hep b vaccine, etc, so a flu shot is not going to be a big deal.

    It's a personal choice.
    still it is a matter of ethically caring for your patients.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • conman
    conman Posts: 7,493
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i work in medicine, and i believe that it is unethical for anyone involved in direct patient care, especially caring for the elderly and those with a depressed immune system, it is reckless and unethical to NOT get the shot.

    people in health care are charged with caring for others, and if you fail to get the flu vaccine you run the risk of exposing others to a virus that can potentially kill them. it is counter to the whole concept of patients seeking help from a medical professional....

    you have to get other injections, hep b vaccine, etc, so a flu shot is not going to be a big deal.

    It's a personal choice.
    not for me it isn't, for the military it's mandatory

    i also work in medical and i've had the flu shot every year for the past 4 years, never got sick, never had any problems
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    conman wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i work in medicine, and i believe that it is unethical for anyone involved in direct patient care, especially caring for the elderly and those with a depressed immune system, it is reckless and unethical to NOT get the shot.

    people in health care are charged with caring for others, and if you fail to get the flu vaccine you run the risk of exposing others to a virus that can potentially kill them. it is counter to the whole concept of patients seeking help from a medical professional....

    you have to get other injections, hep b vaccine, etc, so a flu shot is not going to be a big deal.

    It's a personal choice.
    not for me it isn't, for the military it's mandatory

    i also work in medical and i've had the flu shot every year for the past 4 years, never got sick, never had any problems

    It was your choice to join the military. I also get the flu shot. The flu sucks.
  • JS81606
    JS81606 Posts: 73
    Really sorry to hear your wife is being forced. So much for a free society! As my wife is a physcian and works with so many geriatic, she will not pubicly say anything against vaccines, but she has a huge page of printed material, from the likes of the Merck Manual, Harrison's Internal Medicine Text, and research from the HHS, showing the damning affects of vaccines. Her staff just simply allow the patients to read said articles, and have their own informed decisions. By the way, she works with a boat load of Alzheimer's patients, and she tells family members, "six flu shots and you're guaranteed Alzheimer's" How she knows I do not know, but her patients are some of the healthiest people I have ever met. Also, it isn't the flu virus, it is the crap they put in it, primarily the aluminum. So My take is your wife has the right of refusal, and if it isn't in a contract, her employer is out of line. As vaccines are a heated topic, I just think so little in researched regarding vaccines, yet most will research the shit our of a dvd player. Go figure. Also, we have neglected to remember the neuro-surgeon who sued and won a lawsuit for the damages done to his daughter due to vaccines. This will continue unitl we stand up and tell Big Pharma and the Insurance Industry that destroying innocent people is not what this country is about, unless it is war of course. Just my two sense.(cents)
  • conman
    conman Posts: 7,493
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    It was your choice to join the military. I also get the flu shot. The flu sucks.
    and it was your wife's choice to work in the medical field so getting the flu shot pretty much comes with the territory
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    conman wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    It was your choice to join the military. I also get the flu shot. The flu sucks.
    and it was your wife's choice to work in the medical field so getting the flu shot pretty much comes with the territory


    Not my wife. But yes, precisely. If it was in her contract than she has to get it.
  • conman
    conman Posts: 7,493
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    conman wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    It was your choice to join the military. I also get the flu shot. The flu sucks.
    and it was your wife's choice to work in the medical field so getting the flu shot pretty much comes with the territory


    Not my wife. But yes, precisely. If it was in her contract than she has to get it.
    :lol: i'm an idiot.
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Not my wife. But yes, precisely. If it was in her contract than she has to get it.[/quote]
    :lol: i'm an idiot.[/quote]


    That's alright I'm pretty tired too. :lol:
  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    What I love is how they market flu vaccines, they say they are using "dead" or "killed" strains of the forecast virus. I'm surprised they even reference it that way, since that alone is probably the biggest piece of false advertising out there since they are not, nor have they ever been a living entity.

    Flu vaccines are such a crap shoot. It's like trying to predict the next hurricane season. You can make some educated guesses, but it's still nothing more than a guess.
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Shawshank wrote:
    What I love is how they market flu vaccines, they say they are using "dead" or "killed" strains of the forecast virus. I'm surprised they even reference it that way, since that alone is probably the biggest piece of false advertising out there since they are not, nor have they ever been a living entity.

    Flu vaccines are such a crap shoot. It's like trying to predict the next hurricane season. You can make some educated guesses, but it's still nothing more than a guess.


    All I know is I haven't gotten the flu in years and I used to get it every year before I started getting flu shots.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    JS81606 wrote:
    Really sorry to hear your wife is being forced. So much for a free society! As my wife is a physcian and works with so many geriatic, she will not pubicly say anything against vaccines, but she has a huge page of printed material, from the likes of the Merck Manual, Harrison's Internal Medicine Text, and research from the HHS, showing the damning affects of vaccines. Her staff just simply allow the patients to read said articles, and have their own informed decisions. By the way, she works with a boat load of Alzheimer's patients, and she tells family members, "six flu shots and you're guaranteed Alzheimer's" How she knows I do not know, but her patients are some of the healthiest people I have ever met. Also, it isn't the flu virus, it is the crap they put in it, primarily the aluminum. So My take is your wife has the right of refusal, and if it isn't in a contract, her employer is out of line. As vaccines are a heated topic, I just think so little in researched regarding vaccines, yet most will research the shit our of a dvd player. Go figure. Also, we have neglected to remember the neuro-surgeon who sued and won a lawsuit for the damages done to his daughter due to vaccines. This will continue unitl we stand up and tell Big Pharma and the Insurance Industry that destroying innocent people is not what this country is about, unless it is war of course. Just my two sense.(cents)

    I would really like to see the evidence base for the statement I underlined above.
  • MookiesLaw
    MookiesLaw Posts: 158
    _ wrote:
    JS81606 wrote:
    Really sorry to hear your wife is being forced. So much for a free society! As my wife is a physcian and works with so many geriatic, she will not pubicly say anything against vaccines, but she has a huge page of printed material, from the likes of the Merck Manual, Harrison's Internal Medicine Text, and research from the HHS, showing the damning affects of vaccines. Her staff just simply allow the patients to read said articles, and have their own informed decisions. By the way, she works with a boat load of Alzheimer's patients, and she tells family members, "six flu shots and you're guaranteed Alzheimer's" How she knows I do not know, but her patients are some of the healthiest people I have ever met. Also, it isn't the flu virus, it is the crap they put in it, primarily the aluminum. So My take is your wife has the right of refusal, and if it isn't in a contract, her employer is out of line. As vaccines are a heated topic, I just think so little in researched regarding vaccines, yet most will research the shit our of a dvd player. Go figure. Also, we have neglected to remember the neuro-surgeon who sued and won a lawsuit for the damages done to his daughter due to vaccines. This will continue unitl we stand up and tell Big Pharma and the Insurance Industry that destroying innocent people is not what this country is about, unless it is war of course. Just my two sense.(cents)

    I would really like to see the evidence base for the statement I underlined above.
    It's a myth.

    Myth 6: Flu shots increase risk of Alzheimer’s disease
    Reality: A theory linking flu shots to a greatly increased risk of Alzheimer’s disease has been proposed by a U.S. doctor whose license was suspended by the South Carolina Board of Medical Examiners. Several mainstream studies link flu shots and other vaccinations to a reduced risk of Alzheimer's disease and overall better health.

    •A Nov. 27, 2001, Canadian Medical Journal report suggests older adults who were vaccinated against diphtheria or tetanus, polio, and influenza seemed to have a lower risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease than those not receiving these vaccinations. The full text of this report is posted on the journal’s Web site.


    •A report in the Nov. 3, 2004, JAMA found that annual flu shots for older adults were associated with a reduced risk of death from all causes. The abstract of that report is posted on PubMed.

    http://www.alz.org/alzheimers_disease_m ... eimers.asp
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    MookiesLaw wrote:
    _ wrote:
    JS81606 wrote:
    Really sorry to hear your wife is being forced. So much for a free society! As my wife is a physcian and works with so many geriatic, she will not pubicly say anything against vaccines, but she has a huge page of printed material, from the likes of the Merck Manual, Harrison's Internal Medicine Text, and research from the HHS, showing the damning affects of vaccines. Her staff just simply allow the patients to read said articles, and have their own informed decisions. By the way, she works with a boat load of Alzheimer's patients, and she tells family members, "six flu shots and you're guaranteed Alzheimer's" How she knows I do not know, but her patients are some of the healthiest people I have ever met. Also, it isn't the flu virus, it is the crap they put in it, primarily the aluminum. So My take is your wife has the right of refusal, and if it isn't in a contract, her employer is out of line. As vaccines are a heated topic, I just think so little in researched regarding vaccines, yet most will research the shit our of a dvd player. Go figure. Also, we have neglected to remember the neuro-surgeon who sued and won a lawsuit for the damages done to his daughter due to vaccines. This will continue unitl we stand up and tell Big Pharma and the Insurance Industry that destroying innocent people is not what this country is about, unless it is war of course. Just my two sense.(cents)

    I would really like to see the evidence base for the statement I underlined above.
    It's a myth.

    Myth 6: Flu shots increase risk of Alzheimer’s disease
    Reality: A theory linking flu shots to a greatly increased risk of Alzheimer’s disease has been proposed by a U.S. doctor whose license was suspended by the South Carolina Board of Medical Examiners. Several mainstream studies link flu shots and other vaccinations to a reduced risk of Alzheimer's disease and overall better health.

    •A Nov. 27, 2001, Canadian Medical Journal report suggests older adults who were vaccinated against diphtheria or tetanus, polio, and influenza seemed to have a lower risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease than those not receiving these vaccinations. The full text of this report is posted on the journal’s Web site.


    •A report in the Nov. 3, 2004, JAMA found that annual flu shots for older adults were associated with a reduced risk of death from all causes. The abstract of that report is posted on PubMed.

    http://www.alz.org/alzheimers_disease_m ... eimers.asp

    Thanks for posting. I think it's especially significant that this info is per the Alzheimer's Association, whose agenda is to end Alzheimer's, not promote flu shots. I think they, of all people/organizations, would be sure to have the most accurate info on the subject.

    I'm surprised, though, that the above poster's wife, as a physician, would make the above statement to her patients.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    JS81606 wrote:
    Really sorry to hear your wife is being forced. So much for a free society! As my wife is a physcian and works with so many geriatic, she will not pubicly say anything against vaccines, but she has a huge page of printed material, from the likes of the Merck Manual, Harrison's Internal Medicine Text, and research from the HHS, showing the damning affects of vaccines. Her staff just simply allow the patients to read said articles, and have their own informed decisions. By the way, she works with a boat load of Alzheimer's patients, and she tells family members, "six flu shots and you're guaranteed Alzheimer's" How she knows I do not know, but her patients are some of the healthiest people I have ever met. Also, it isn't the flu virus, it is the crap they put in it, primarily the aluminum. So My take is your wife has the right of refusal, and if it isn't in a contract, her employer is out of line. As vaccines are a heated topic, I just think so little in researched regarding vaccines, yet most will research the shit our of a dvd player. Go figure. Also, we have neglected to remember the neuro-surgeon who sued and won a lawsuit for the damages done to his daughter due to vaccines. This will continue unitl we stand up and tell Big Pharma and the Insurance Industry that destroying innocent people is not what this country is about, unless it is war of course. Just my two sense.(cents)
    great post!

    thank you
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