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  • marcos
    marcos Posts: 2,112
    Their music sucks, whatcha expect, although there is a growing number of twenty something's that listen to PJ now it seems, so this does not apply to those that listen to PJ of course. It's Ga Ga's fault :D
  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    sorry, but some clarification is needed here. I interview people of any ages if their cv is of interest, has no spelling mistakes and they are not unemployed coming straight out of uni. I have hired people of all ages and from a variety of backgrounds, I just have found, through a lot of trial and error, that people straight out of uni are the hardest to train and teach the values of work and a good work ethic.

    lets take, for example, my current team. 6 people, from 17 to 46. 1 from school, 1 used to run a pizza shop, 1 ex photographer, 1 ex factory, 2 from unemployed, none straight from uni. THE best team I have worked with. And in this team I had hired a couple of ex uni people (and I regret) as their attitude so affected the dynamics and morale of this ace team.... All techies, all code monkeys and all desiring to work hard for us and the customers...

    in my experience people from uni are so much harder to train educate and develop as they always feel the job is just a foot in the door and nothing else. And this always causes issues...

    I may not be perfect but I always do what I feel is right for team and my customers. And if I feel its right but you don't agree, then sorry.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    hostis wrote:
    sorry, but some clarification is needed here. I interview people of any ages if their cv is of interest, has no spelling mistakes and they are not unemployed coming straight out of uni. I have hired people of all ages and from a variety of backgrounds, I just have found, through a lot of trial and error, that people straight out of uni are the hardest to train and teach the values of work and a good work ethic.

    lets take, for example, my current team. 6 people, from 17 to 46. 1 from school, 1 used to run a pizza shop, 1 ex photographer, 1 ex factory, 2 from unemployed, none straight from uni. THE best team I have worked with. And in this team I had hired a couple of ex uni people (and I regret) as their attitude so affected the dynamics and morale of this ace team.... All techies, all code monkeys and all desiring to work hard for us and the customers...

    in my experience people from uni are so much harder to train educate and develop as they always feel the job is just a foot in the door and nothing else. And this always causes issues...

    I may not be perfect but I always do what I feel is right for team and my customers. And if I feel its right but you don't agree, then sorry.

    but that's not what you said before and why i was upset. you wrote that you won't interview people straight from university. i will never say that someone must always hired a new graduate but i do believe that they should be given their full chance.

    secondly, i got a job right from uni. and you know what i did look at it as a stepping stone cause in reality it is. the era of working the same job for your whole life is gone. what my work did was give me promotions as they found my skills to be important to them. again i will say that this has nothing to do with being young as again i know people in their 30's and 40s who feel the same way.
  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,368
    I personally give can give two shits if they went to school or not. All I'm saying is that Uni's usually don't make the final group of interviews. I give everyone a fair shot. I actually do not even look to see if they have a degree until after I've interviewed them or I will look at their schooling during the interview. I have interviewed 15 people already and looked at hundreds of resumes. Job is still posted.
  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    fife wrote:
    hostis wrote:
    sorry, but some clarification is needed here. I interview people of any ages if their cv is of interest, has no spelling mistakes and they are not unemployed coming straight out of uni. I have hired people of all ages and from a variety of backgrounds, I just have found, through a lot of trial and error, that people straight out of uni are the hardest to train and teach the values of work and a good work ethic.

    lets take, for example, my current team. 6 people, from 17 to 46. 1 from school, 1 used to run a pizza shop, 1 ex photographer, 1 ex factory, 2 from unemployed, none straight from uni. THE best team I have worked with. And in this team I had hired a couple of ex uni people (and I regret) as their attitude so affected the dynamics and morale of this ace team.... All techies, all code monkeys and all desiring to work hard for us and the customers...

    in my experience people from uni are so much harder to train educate and develop as they always feel the job is just a foot in the door and nothing else. And this always causes issues...

    I may not be perfect but I always do what I feel is right for team and my customers. And if I feel its right but you don't agree, then sorry.

    but that's not what you said before and why i was upset. you wrote that you won't interview people straight from university. i will never say that someone must always hired a new graduate but i do believe that they should be given their full chance.

    secondly, i got a job right from uni. and you know what i did look at it as a stepping stone cause in reality it is. the era of working the same job for your whole life is gone. what my work did was give me promotions as they found my skills to be important to them. again i will say that this has nothing to do with being young as again i know people in their 30's and 40s who feel the same way.

    no, it was. I said I won't interview people straight out uni. That's correct. I won't. Anymore. I learnt the hard way and if you get upset by a statement like that then you wouldn't last 2 mins I my team.

    its a tough life,I'm a tough boss,a job isn't a stepping stone to all. To you it might be but to some it is their career and if you expressed that view out loud to some in my team you could expect to get short shrift. A lot of customers feel comfortable with continuity and low impact changes so don't ever underestimate that, how ever high you go....
  • tinkerbell
    tinkerbell New Zealand Posts: 2,161
    How are young people supposed to gain experience if no one is willing to give them a shot? I have just turned 30 and my generation (somewhere in the middle between gen X and gen i-pod) have always been given shit from the older generations for being lazy and some are! But having worked with a huge range of ages and stages over the years I have found that age has nothing to do with work ethic. At my current job I work with 2 in their 20's 1 43 yo and 2 in their 50's. I have found with this group the 57 yo is the one with a sense of entitlement - his belief is that because he is so much older and has worked for 40 odd years he shouldn't have to work as hard as the youngins. I was taught by my parents that if you work hard then you are rewarded accordingly.

    I think as long as when you hire someone you make it clear what the expectations are then you might be surprised with how much someone has to offer.
    all you need is love, love is all you need
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    shadowcast wrote:
    I am a department head at my job. Over the past 3-4 years I have noticed this arrogant sense of self entitlement with the Twenty something’s coming out of college in interviews. We are currently looking for someone right now and I have had multiple interviews and I have to say that they will not be working for me. Anyway, I came across this article and boy did it nail it on the head. I just think we spoiled these kids rotten and no one wants to come up through the ranks. I think it’s time to get rid of the “Everybody is a winner” award or “Participation awards”

    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/0 ... nemployed/
    thing is the upper class has had that mentality for centuries. yeah kids these days are lazy, but they fucking should be. why work your ass off so someone else makes the money? kids these days are smart, not lazy. why work your ass off for some schmuck that's gonna exploit heir labor and treat them like shit? good luck in your search but don't blame the youth for the problems of today. they happen to be the only smart ones in this scenario.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    no, it was. I said I won't interview people straight out uni. That's correct. I won't. Anymore. I learnt the hard way and if you get upset by a statement like that then you wouldn't last 2 mins I my team.

    its a tough life,I'm a tough boss,a job isn't a stepping stone to all. To you it might be but to some it is their career and if you expressed that view out loud to some in my team you could expect to get short shrift. A lot of customers feel comfortable with continuity and low impact changes so don't ever underestimate that, how ever high you go....[/quote]

    First off you don't know me or what i do for a living so don't assume that i could not handle working for you for 2 minutes. sure life is tough. a job is a stepping stone to everyone until they get to the job that they dream off. do you really believe that the 17 year old you have on your team doesn't want to move up in their jobs. are course they do and as a boss you should want them to.

    i have a good friend whose boss and company tell him that a job is a job for 4 year and at that point you should be looking to advance. Why do you believe that jobs will give training or pay for people to go back to school? the reason is that they want good people working for them.

    now i understand that you want a team that works well together and as a good boss that is smart. but your believe that only recent uni grads are all looking out for them selves and don't care about their jobs is foolish.
  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,368
    Commy wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    I am a department head at my job. Over the past 3-4 years I have noticed this arrogant sense of self entitlement with the Twenty something’s coming out of college in interviews. We are currently looking for someone right now and I have had multiple interviews and I have to say that they will not be working for me. Anyway, I came across this article and boy did it nail it on the head. I just think we spoiled these kids rotten and no one wants to come up through the ranks. I think it’s time to get rid of the “Everybody is a winner” award or “Participation awards”

    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/0 ... nemployed/
    thing is the upper class has had that mentality for centuries. yeah kids these days are lazy, but they fucking should be. why work your ass off so someone else makes the money? kids these days are smart, not lazy. why work your ass off for some schmuck that's gonna exploit heir labor and treat them like shit? good luck in your search but don't blame the youth for the problems of today. they happen to be the only smart ones in this scenario.
    Why work your ass off? Because maybe by working hard you will move up the ladder faster by proving yourself then you become stable and pay off your loans and get ahead in life. This is the attitude that will have you living at home for the rest of your life. So please have this attitude as this will make it easier for people to weed out the slackers and hire somebody that wants to work hard. Also, I did not blame the youth for the problems of today ever. All I said was that they are almost not hirable. I blame schools & parents.
  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    fife wrote:
    ...but your believe that only recent uni grads are all looking out for them selves and don't care about their jobs is foolish.

    my belief is based on my direct experience. thanks.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    hostis wrote:
    fife wrote:
    ...but your believe that only recent uni grads are all looking out for them selves and don't care about their jobs is foolish.

    my belief is based on my direct experience. thanks.

    so you have never met some high school kids like that or 30 somethings or 40 somethings like that?
  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    fife wrote:
    hostis wrote:
    fife wrote:
    ...but your believe that only recent uni grads are all looking out for them selves and don't care about their jobs is foolish.

    my belief is based on my direct experience. thanks.

    so you have never met some high school kids like that or 30 somethings or 40 somethings like that?

    not yet, and if I did I am sure my views would evolve....
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    my belief is based on my direct experience. thanks.[/quote]

    so you have never met some high school kids like that or 30 somethings or 40 somethings like that?[/quote]

    not yet, and if I did I am sure my views would evolve....[/quote]

    sure it would. of course your view will never change concerning new grads since you have decided never to interview them again.
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    JTH wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    JTH wrote:
    What insipid nickname are they calling the "twentysomethings" these days anyway? They called us Generation X for whatever reason but I haven't really heard much by way of a catchy monicker for the current crop of shiftless layabouts.
    millenials
    Ah, I think that word was in the article you linked. Didn't realize it was an actual term being used.
    I have also seen/heard Generation Y.
  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    fife wrote:
    sure it would. of course your view will never change concerning new grads since you have decided never to interview them again.

    correct indeed.
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    blueandwhite wrote:
    These opportunities you speak of will be made available to fresh graduates; not failures working at a Home Depot. Spending $50,000 for an education you will never utilize and losing 4-8 years of your life training for a job you will never obtain doesn't make you entitled. It creates frustration! These 20-somethings feel above working at the Home Depot because they have invested heavily into a future that never came to fruition. They lost a huge chunk of cash, carry large amounts of debt and are now well behind the people they graduated high school with.

    There's nothing wrong with blue collar-workers or blue-collar jobs. There is something fundamentally wrong with somebody with a master's degree working a job that doesn't require that sort of training. Do you really think that eating that kind of humble pie is easy for people? Heck, a lot of the unskilled labor market frowns on people with education for this very reason making it pretty hard for recent graduates to land work of any kind.
    :shock: I'm not 20 something anymore, but I eat that kind of humble pie every day. :?
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    hostis wrote:
    fife wrote:
    sure it would. of course your view will never change concerning new grads since you have decided never to interview them again.

    correct indeed.

    oh well good luck with that. :? of course i'm assuming that you were different when you graduated university.
  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    fife wrote:
    hostis wrote:
    fife wrote:
    sure it would. of course your view will never change concerning new grads since you have decided never to interview them again.

    correct indeed.

    oh well good luck with that. :? of course i'm assuming that you were different when you graduated university.

    you're assuming I went to university...
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    correct indeed.[/quote]

    oh well good luck with that. :? of course i'm assuming that you were different when you graduated university.[/quote]

    you're assuming I went to university...[/quote]

    no i actually know you didn't cause if you did then you would never have said that you never met a uni grad who was worth hiring. :D
  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    well if you knew that why did you state "of course i'm assuming that you were different when you graduated university"?

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