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shadowcast
shadowcast Posts: 2,368
edited September 2011 in A Moving Train
I am a department head at my job. Over the past 3-4 years I have noticed this arrogant sense of self entitlement with the Twenty something’s coming out of college in interviews. We are currently looking for someone right now and I have had multiple interviews and I have to say that they will not be working for me. Anyway, I came across this article and boy did it nail it on the head. I just think we spoiled these kids rotten and no one wants to come up through the ranks. I think it’s time to get rid of the “Everybody is a winner” award or “Participation awards”

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/0 ... nemployed/
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  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    thoroughly agree. I have a standard rule that I will not interview anyone who has come straight out of Uni. They just feel the world owes them a living and arent prepared to graft. Some poeple are in for a massive shock in the real world....
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    hostis wrote:
    thoroughly agree. I have a standard rule that I will not interview anyone who has come straight out of Uni. They just feel the world owes them a living and arent prepared to graft. Some poeple are in for a massive shock in the real world....

    so you want people to suffer cause they are young and have had to easy a life? is that your answer.
  • SVRDhand13
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    hostis wrote:
    thoroughly agree. I have a standard rule that I will not interview anyone who has come straight out of Uni. They just feel the world owes them a living and arent prepared to graft. Some poeple are in for a massive shock in the real world....

    This is why half of the "twenty somethings" are unemployed. Broad, unrealistic generalizations such as this are keeping the young from getting jobs, not our attitudes.
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  • Tom K
    Tom K Posts: 842
    SVRDhand13 wrote:

    This is why half of the "twenty somethings" are unemployed. Broad, unrealistic generalizations such as this are keeping the young from getting jobs, not our attitudes.

    Yep...
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  • JTH
    JTH Chicago Posts: 3,238
    What insipid nickname are they calling the "twentysomethings" these days anyway? They called us Generation X for whatever reason but I haven't really heard much by way of a catchy monicker for the current crop of shiftless layabouts.
  • shortstack
    shortstack Posts: 2,339
    shadowcast wrote:
    I am a department head at my job. Over the past 3-4 years I have noticed this arrogant sense of self entitlement with the Twenty something’s coming out of college in interviews. We are currently looking for someone right now and I have had multiple interviews and I have to say that they will not be working for me. Anyway, I came across this article and boy did it nail it on the head. I just think we spoiled these kids rotten and no one wants to come up through the ranks. I think it’s time to get rid of the “Everybody is a winner” award or “Participation awards”

    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/0 ... nemployed/


    this is nothing new.

    you say "we've" spoiled these kids... have you raised a child who is now twenty something?

    are you on a bit of a power trip perhaps?
    did you see me? i saw you.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    the narcissistic epidemic
  • blueandwhite
    blueandwhite Posts: 662
    Perhaps this generation feels entitled because they've watched their parents overspend for years. Now that the so-called greatest generation doesn't have the means to retire, they continue to work well into their sixties reducing the number of job-opportunities for recent graduates. When you have two or three degrees and you struggle to find meaningful employment, you quickly find yourself being labeled as lazy, incompetent or entitled.

    There is a generation that has been kicked down and spat on by its predecessors. These 20-somethings have been told they need a massive amount of education to find work only to then be informed that they don't have any real-world experience. The jobs they went to school for were never available without the appropriate social network. Subsequently they find that they have invested thousands of dollars for nothing. When you have an obscene amount of education, yet you can't find work outside of your local Home Depot or Walmart something is seriously wrong.
  • Chip McFlennigan
    Chip McFlennigan Posts: 1,162
    fife wrote:
    hostis wrote:
    thoroughly agree. I have a standard rule that I will not interview anyone who has come straight out of Uni. They just feel the world owes them a living and arent prepared to graft. Some poeple are in for a massive shock in the real world....

    so you want people to suffer cause they are young and have had to easy a life? is that your answer.

    That statement makes no sense. If they have easy lives, they won't be suffering.

    I think his point is, that, as a business man, it would not be prudent for him to hire someone with an entitled attitude/zero life experience, as they would plausibly be more prone to be unproductive in the workplace.
    I knew it all along, see?
  • Chip McFlennigan
    Chip McFlennigan Posts: 1,162
    blueandwhite wrote:
    Perhaps this generation feels entitled because they've watched their parents overspend for years. Now that the so-called greatest generation doesn't have the means to retire, they continue to work well into their sixties reducing the number of job-opportunities for recent graduates. When you have two or three degrees and you struggle to find meaningful employment, you quickly find yourself being labeled as lazy, incompetent or entitled.

    There is a generation that has been kicked down and spat on by its predecessors. These 20-somethings have been told they need a massive amount of education to find work only to then be informed that they don't have any real-world experience. The jobs they went to school for were never available without the appropriate social network. Subsequently they find that they have invested thousands of dollars for nothing. When you have an obscene amount of education, yet you can't find work outside of your local Home Depot or Walmart something is seriously wrong.

    Well, hey, sorry if they feel as if they're above jobs like Home Depot.

    I don't understand why people feel that sitting in classrooms for years somehow makes them more important than those who work those jobs.

    People working blue-collar jobs are the backbone of this economy, to be honest.

    Also, thank your Republicans, who made it easy for companies to destroy the bargaining power of employees and exporting jobs overseas. And thank the Democrats, for ruining the housing market by entitling people to homes that couldn't reasonably qualify, and for allowing less-qualified applicants to get jobs that would've been better for others. Keep voting in the same shitheads every couple of years, and see how much this country progresses.

    Now, back to the original point: sorry if peeps with advanced degrees have to tough it out working jobs that're beneath them for a few years. Better jobs will eventually open up. Perhaps their time spent struggling to get by will make them better appreciate the more prestigious jobs they eventually get, so that they can avoid overspending, which, as you pointed out, their predecessors were guilty of.
    I knew it all along, see?
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    johnny america wrote:
    fife wrote:
    hostis wrote:
    thoroughly agree. I have a standard rule that I will not interview anyone who has come straight out of Uni. They just feel the world owes them a living and arent prepared to graft. Some poeple are in for a massive shock in the real world....

    so you want people to suffer cause they are young and have had to easy a life? is that your answer.

    That statement makes no sense. If they have easy lives, they won't be suffering.

    I think his point is, that, as a business man, it would not be prudent for him to hire someone with an entitled attitude/zero life experience, as they would plausibly be more prone to be unproductive in the workplace.

    If you read his post you can see that he believes that all new graduates feel that the world owes them so therefore he won't hired them. he doesn't even met these students but believes that they will all be the same. he is basically punishing them for what he believes they are like these people who have had all the things given to them.

    secondly, i believe your wrong in your second point, he didn't say that. he said he would not even interview a new graduate cause we all know only the youth have entitlement issues. this is ageism. i believe we can all see that many people not just youth can be egoistical and believe that the world owes them
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Well, hey, sorry if they feel as if they're above jobs like Home Depot.

    I don't understand why people feel that sitting in classrooms for years somehow makes them more important than those who work those jobs.

    People working blue-collar jobs are the backbone of this economy, to be honest.

    Also, thank your Republicans, who made it easy for companies to destroy the bargaining power of employees and exporting jobs overseas. And thank the Democrats, for ruining the housing market by entitling people to homes that couldn't reasonably qualify, and for allowing less-qualified applicants to get jobs that would've been better for others. Keep voting in the same shitheads every couple of years, and see how much this country progresses.

    Now, back to the original point: sorry if peeps with advanced degrees have to tough it out working jobs that're beneath them for a few years. Better jobs will eventually open up. Perhaps their time spent struggling to get by will make them better appreciate the more prestigious jobs they eventually get, so that they can avoid overspending, which, as you pointed out, their predecessors were guilty of.[/quote]

    this is complete bs. who the hell are you to say that these kids won't appreciate their work. how do you know that these kids like me came from really poor situation and worked their asses off to get what they have.
  • blueandwhite
    blueandwhite Posts: 662
    johnny america wrote:
    Well, hey, sorry if they feel as if they're above jobs like Home Depot.

    Now, back to the original point: sorry if peeps with advanced degrees have to tough it out working jobs that're beneath them for a few years. Better jobs will eventually open up. Perhaps their time spent struggling to get by will make them better appreciate the more prestigious jobs they eventually get, so that they can avoid overspending, which, as you pointed out, their predecessors were guilty of.


    If you get stuck in a dead-end job for a few years your window of opportunity has passed. These opportunities you speak of will be made available to fresh graduates; not failures working at a Home Depot. Spending $50,000 for an education you will never utilize and losing 4-8 years of your life training for a job you will never obtain doesn't make you entitled. It creates frustration! These 20-somethings feel above working at the Home Depot because they have invested heavily into a future that never came to fruition. They lost a huge chunk of cash, carry large amounts of debt and are now well behind the people they graduated high school with.

    There's nothing wrong with blue collar-workers or blue-collar jobs. There is something fundamentally wrong with somebody with a master's degree working a job that doesn't require that sort of training. Do you really think that eating that kind of humble pie is easy for people? Heck, a lot of the unskilled labor market frowns on people with education for this very reason making it pretty hard for recent graduates to land work of any kind.
  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,368
    JTH wrote:
    What insipid nickname are they calling the "twentysomethings" these days anyway? They called us Generation X for whatever reason but I haven't really heard much by way of a catchy monicker for the current crop of shiftless layabouts.
    millenials
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,395
    Does this mean we can officially end the "time-out" fad and get back to beating the shit out of our kids like back in the good 'ol days?

    What we need now is an increase in wood sheds! :mrgreen:
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  • JTH
    JTH Chicago Posts: 3,238
    shadowcast wrote:
    JTH wrote:
    What insipid nickname are they calling the "twentysomethings" these days anyway? They called us Generation X for whatever reason but I haven't really heard much by way of a catchy monicker for the current crop of shiftless layabouts.
    millenials
    Ah, I think that word was in the article you linked. Didn't realize it was an actual term being used.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,670
    shadowcast wrote:
    I am a department head at my job. Over the past 3-4 years I have noticed this arrogant sense of self entitlement with the Twenty something’s coming out of college in interviews. We are currently looking for someone right now and I have had multiple interviews and I have to say that they will not be working for me. Anyway, I came across this article and boy did it nail it on the head. I just think we spoiled these kids rotten and no one wants to come up through the ranks. I think it’s time to get rid of the “Everybody is a winner” award or “Participation awards”

    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/0 ... nemployed/

    Cue the cranky old guy.

    Every generation says this about the next.
  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,368
    edited September 2011
    shortstack wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    I am a department head at my job. Over the past 3-4 years I have noticed this arrogant sense of self entitlement with the Twenty something’s coming out of college in interviews. We are currently looking for someone right now and I have had multiple interviews and I have to say that they will not be working for me. Anyway, I came across this article and boy did it nail it on the head. I just think we spoiled these kids rotten and no one wants to come up through the ranks. I think it’s time to get rid of the “Everybody is a winner” award or “Participation awards”

    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/0 ... nemployed/


    this is nothing new.

    you say "we've" spoiled these kids... have you raised a child who is now twenty something?

    are you on a bit of a power trip perhaps?
    Currently have a 10 month year old son so no millenial for me. Not on a power trip at all just telling it as I see it. You see I want to hire somebody. Believe me. My staff and myself are taking on extra work load. also, there is nothing more fufillling to me (job wise) than to offer someone a job that they deserve.

    With the spoiled kids comment I could have pharsed it a bit better. So let me put it to you this way. People grow in adversity, they don’t really get worse…. I think you’ll see more leadership skills being used if a losing team tries to recuperate than if they never got into that situation at all.

    S
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  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,368
    Go Beavers wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    I am a department head at my job. Over the past 3-4 years I have noticed this arrogant sense of self entitlement with the Twenty something’s coming out of college in interviews. We are currently looking for someone right now and I have had multiple interviews and I have to say that they will not be working for me. Anyway, I came across this article and boy did it nail it on the head. I just think we spoiled these kids rotten and no one wants to come up through the ranks. I think it’s time to get rid of the “Everybody is a winner” award or “Participation awards”

    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/0 ... nemployed/

    Cue the cranky old guy.

    Every generation says this about the next.
    You are probably right...Back in my day we didn't have safty belts. when you got into an accident you knew right where you were going. Right through the winshield.....And we liked it!!!
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    shadowcast wrote:
    shortstack wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    I am a department head at my job. Over the past 3-4 years I have noticed this arrogant sense of self entitlement with the Twenty something’s coming out of college in interviews. We are currently looking for someone right now and I have had multiple interviews and I have to say that they will not be working for me. Anyway, I came across this article and boy did it nail it on the head. I just think we spoiled these kids rotten and no one wants to come up through the ranks. I think it’s time to get rid of the “Everybody is a winner” award or “Participation awards”

    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/0 ... nemployed/


    this is nothing new.

    you say "we've" spoiled these kids... have you raised a child who is now twenty something?

    are you on a bit of a power trip perhaps?
    Currently have a 10 month year old son so no millenial for me. Not on a power trip at all just telling it as I see it. You see I want to hire somebody. Believe me. My staff and myself are taking on extra work load. also, there is nothing more fufillling to me than to offer someone a job that they deserve.

    With the spoiled kids comment I could have pharsed it a bit better. So let me put it to you this way. People grow in adversity, they don’t really get worse…. I think you’ll see more leadership skills being used if a losing team tries to recuperate than if they never got into that situation at all.

    S

    the problem is that you don't know the graduates that will apply for the jobs. they already might have faced alot of adversity in just getting to this point in their lives. i think it all depends on the person. i know many older people who have worked high paying jobs and got fired and they never learned from that and just became bitter thinking that the world owes them for what they have done in the past.

    my biggest issue is the guy who said that he would not even interview a new graduate.

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