NATO Kills Nine Children in Afghan Air Strike
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Shawshank wrote:Jesus, some of you have a very short memory. It wasn't all that long ago that the Taliban ruled a large majority of Afghanistan. They weren't just "a group of people that reside in almost every country in the world", this was their home turf where they ruled supreme. They made sport out of terrorizing civilians and massacring large numbers of people whenever they got bored. That's not just propaganda. There are eyewitness reports of them storming villages, skinning people, and slitting throats. If I knew that other countries were trying to get rid of these bastards, I'd take my chances of getting bombed, if it meant I wouldn't have to live under that type of fear.
The problem with Afghanistan really centers around our idiotic entrance into Iraq. That left our war against the core of the Taliban as a secondary front, while the primary resources of our military would used in Iraq. Probably one of the worst mistakes this country has ever made. If we had continued to fully pursue the Taliban when we drove them out of Kabul and some of the larger areas, we could have at least annihilated a larger portion of the group, and there's really no other option than that. You aren't going to negotiate with them, or establish peace treaties. Sorry, but you have to kill them. Instead we did nothing more than just swat down a hornets nest, and they simply scattered and regrouped in a different location.
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and who give you the right as a country to go to another country and kill anyone you dont like?Shawshank wrote:. Sorry, but you have to kill them. .
who made you the big sheriff of the world?and if you care so much,why you do it ONLY in countries that have oil, and not in the rest of countries that dont have Democracy?come on."...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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Shawshank wrote:Jesus, some of you have a very short memory. It wasn't all that long ago that the Taliban ruled a large majority of Afghanistan. They weren't just "a group of people that reside in almost every country in the world", this was their home turf where they ruled supreme. They made sport out of terrorizing civilians and massacring large numbers of people whenever they got bored. That's not just propaganda. There are eyewitness reports of them storming villages, skinning people, and slitting throats. If I knew that other countries were trying to get rid of these bastards, I'd take my chances of getting bombed, if it meant I wouldn't have to live under that type of fear.
The problem with Afghanistan really centers around our idiotic entrance into Iraq. That left our war against the core of the Taliban as a secondary front, while the primary resources of our military would used in Iraq. Probably one of the worst mistakes this country has ever made. If we had continued to fully pursue the Taliban when we drove them out of Kabul and some of the larger areas, we could have at least annihilated a larger portion of the group, and there's really no other option than that. You aren't going to negotiate with them, or establish peace treaties. Sorry, but you have to kill them. Instead we did nothing more than just swat down a hornets nest, and they simply scattered and regrouped in a different location.
oh good grief ...
first of all ... i was referring to al qaeda because as far as i know ... the taliban did not orchestrate 9-11 ... al qaeda did ... and they are indeed everywhere ...
secondly ... there are a lot of countries that operate in a way we probably all don't agree with ... what honestly gives americans or nato the right to kill innocent people in order to achieve some ideological symmetry ... am i in support of the taliban? ... hell no, but i also know that the taliban were considered allies by the US not so recently and now they are the evilest of the evil ...
american foreign policy has NEVER EVER been about human rights and democracy ... it's about imperialism and war profiteering ... the sooner people realize this, the sooner people will understand why it is that the world's most stacked military can not contain two countries that barely blip the scale in economic development ...
kill kill ... that's all some people know ... you guys want revenge for 9-11 ... well, guess what ... there are some people who want revenge for the loss of their loved ones ... how do you plan on leaving this vicious circle ...
learn to use your heart and mind to solve differences instead of a fucking gun ...0 -
dimitrispearljam wrote:
and who give you the right as a country to go to another country and kill anyone you dont like?Shawshank wrote:. Sorry, but you have to kill them. .
who made you the big sheriff of the world?
the UN?that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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mikepegg44 wrote:dimitrispearljam wrote:
and who give you the right as a country to go to another country and kill anyone you dont like?Shawshank wrote:. Sorry, but you have to kill them. .
who made you the big sheriff of the world?
the UN?
..and who the fuck is UN???and if UN say NO????????
who is gonna stop USA????Greece?,Monaco?Pakistan?S Arabia?..
need a reason to attack ??????oh..will be another 9/11 ,and there is your reason
if you guys dont understand bombs is bad,isnt the way,then,the next will knock on your door and dont be shocked about it..
someone in the other side of the planet,the day you guys went out with the flags and celebrate osama death make a promise that will try to make you feel pain and loose people that you love..and he will make it..
sad but truth..
so believe me guns is the worst solution.."...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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dimitrispearljam wrote:mikepegg44 wrote:dimitrispearljam wrote:and who give you the right as a country to go to another country and kill anyone you dont like?
who made you the big sheriff of the world?
the UN? ..and who the fuck is UN???and if UN say NO????????
who is gonna stop USA????Greece?,Monaco?Pakistan?S Arabia?..
need a reason to attack ??????oh..will be another 9/11 ,and there is your reason
if you guys dont understand bombs is bad,isnt the way,then,the next will knock on your door and dont be shocked about it..
someone in the other side of the planet,the day you guys went out with the flags and celebrate osama death make a promise that will try to make you feel pain and loose people that you love..and he will make it..
sad but truth..
so believe me guns is the worst solution..
sarcasm is hard to get out there on the internet...
but ultimately guns may be the worst or the only depending on what you believe is the cause of the problem...if they are reasonible people(which I guess they haven't shown themselves to be but it is possible) then simply pulling back our international influence over the region or "arab world" would do it...on the other hand they could simply be bullies...and in that case you need to punch them in the mouth.
I like the idea that us simply pulling back our international influence over the arab world would do it.that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
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i wish my sarcasm was the issue here..wouldnt be so serious the problem to solve..guns kill people..mikepegg44 wrote:
sarcasm is hard to get out there on the internet...
but ultimately guns may be the worst or the only depending on what you believe is the cause of the problem...if they are reasonible people(which I guess they haven't shown themselves to be but it is possible) then simply pulling back our international influence over the region or "arab world" would do it...on the other hand they could simply be bullies...and in that case you need to punch them in the mouth.
I like the idea that us simply pulling back our international influence over the arab world would do it.
and when someone bomb your house,you see your family in blood,dead you think only justice,meaning revenge..and no what you believe is the cause of the problem..."...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”0 -
While the bombs they fall on children
dont know which side...dont care which side that they're on0 -
exactly...Byrnzie wrote:While the bombs they fall on children
dont know which side...dont care which side that they're on
just like all the money made by defense co's is green..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
ASADABAD, Afghanistan (Reuters) - Foreign troops killed an Afghan child and wounded four others when responding to insurgent fire in volatile eastern Kunar province, the provincial Governor said on Monday, the third accidental killing of young civilians in less than a week.
The NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) said it had killed "four armed individuals" in Kunar's Ghazi Abad district on Sunday, but was looking into allegations of civilian casualties there.
Fazlullah Wahidi, governor of Kunar, said a group of girls had been collecting firewood near an insurgent hideout and were struck when ISAF troops that had come under attack returned fire. A 10-year-old girl was killed, and four others wounded.
If confirmed, this would be the third time in less than a week that NATO troops have killed young Afghan civilians.
On Saturday, ISAF said its troops mistakenly killed a 15-year-old boy during an operation with Afghan forces to capture a Taliban insurgent in eastern Nangarhar province.
ISAF also apologized for the death of a teenage woman and an Afghan policeman on Wednesday, during a joint raid by Afghan and foreign troops on a compound in Nangarhar.
These deaths are a major source of friction between Afghan President Hamid Karzai and his Western backers, and complicate efforts to win support from ordinary Afghans for an increasingly unpopular war.
In March the commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan made a rare apology for an air strike that killed nine children, who like the girls hit in Kunar were out collecting firewood. U.S. President Barack Obama also expressed "deep regret" over the deaths.
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The UN or USA do not go after children. I am sure that is not there goal.
I would not put it past these insurgents to put children in the line of fire just for the press coverage.
Personally, if there were a war going on I would not send my children out to collect wood or for any other reason. If they left the house, I would be with them.
If the insurgents are not setting these kids up, there is some bad parenting going on.“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
30+Civilians killed this Weekend,
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Jason Ditz, May 29, 2011
NATO air strikes have killed at least 52 Afghans over the past 24 hours, including 32 civilians and 20 members of the police. The deaths came in two strikes, one in the Helmand Province and another in Nuristan.
The Helmand strike, late Saturday, saw NATO attack helicopters destroy a pair of homes, killing 2 women and 12 children. The strikes also wounded six other civilians. Helmand’s governor’s office said the attack came after a nearby US Marine base was struck by insurgents.
The other strike came on Sunday, in the Nuristan Province. Here, US warplanes responded to reports of a battle between insurgents and security forces by opening fire on a group of people they assumed were insurgents. The people turned out to be a group of 18 civilians and 20 police.
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/ ... 6065104496
The BBC's Quentin Sommerville said villagers brought their dead children to the governor's office shouting: "See they aren't Taliban"
A Nato air strike has killed 14 people, all civilians, in south-west Afghanistan's Helmand province, local officials say.
Maj. Gen. John Toolan, the head of the International Security Assistance Force's command in southwest Afghanistan, said his apology was being made "on behalf of the coalition" and its top leaders, including U.S. Army Gen. David Petraeus. He pleaded with Afghans to not only forgive, but also to work with coalition forces in hopes of bolstering their security.
"I offer our heartfelt apologies to the families and friends of those killed," Toolan said in a statement. "I ask that the Afghan people continue to trust and assist their security forces, so that together we can stop the senseless killing brought upon us by an enemy who wants to exploit the Afghan people through fear and violence."
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... cnn_latest0 -
Idris wrote:30+Civilians killed this Weekend,
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Jason Ditz, May 29, 2011
NATO air strikes have killed at least 52 Afghans over the past 24 hours, including 32 civilians and 20 members of the police. The deaths came in two strikes, one in the Helmand Province and another in Nuristan.
The Helmand strike, late Saturday, saw NATO attack helicopters destroy a pair of homes, killing 2 women and 12 children. The strikes also wounded six other civilians. Helmand’s governor’s office said the attack came after a nearby US Marine base was struck by insurgents.
The other strike came on Sunday, in the Nuristan Province. Here, US warplanes responded to reports of a battle between insurgents and security forces by opening fire on a group of people they assumed were insurgents. The people turned out to be a group of 18 civilians and 20 police.--
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/ ... 6065104496
The BBC's Quentin Sommerville said villagers brought their dead children to the governor's office shouting: "See they aren't Taliban"A Nato air strike has killed 14 people, all civilians, in south-west Afghanistan's Helmand province, local officials say.
Maj. Gen. John Toolan, the head of the International Security Assistance Force's command in southwest Afghanistan, said his apology was being made "on behalf of the coalition" and its top leaders, including U.S. Army Gen. David Petraeus. He pleaded with Afghans to not only forgive, but also to work with coalition forces in hopes of bolstering their security.
"I offer our heartfelt apologies to the families and friends of those killed," Toolan said in a statement. "I ask that the Afghan people continue to trust and assist their security forces, so that together we can stop the senseless killing brought upon us by an enemy who wants to exploit the Afghan people through fear and violence."
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... cnn_latest
their incompetence is something out of the movie team america. only this is not comical, it is pathetically sad...
:twisted: :twisted:"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:
their incompetence is something out of the movie team america. only this is not comical, it is pathetically sad...
:twisted: :twisted:
The absolute sheer lack of Respect for human life, the arrogance of valuing ones life higher than that of another, based simply on geographical and/or cultural differences.
The wildly ignorant notion that 'different' means less value. Even the worst terrorist groups have a better grasp of human life than these western powers. As the worst terrorist groups target innocents knowing the value of killing them, knowing the pain it will cause, and NATO? The ignorance of not understanding the worth of every single life. Thus it takes daily, spilling the blood of countless innocent lives. Only causing and continuing the bloodied cycle...Not knowing, or caring about the countless mothers, fathers, sons and daughters torn apart by bombs and bullets, NATO&Co find themselves in a delusional trance like state believing with such certainty, with such devout sincerity that they are right. That they are fighting for some sort of freedom, not seeing the hypocrisy in the wars. Or, maybe they do see the hypocrisy, just so overwhelmed with greed and power that they have surely lost touch with their human side. Nothing but animals now.
No, not even animals kill like this. Animals respect the laws of nature, what we are doing in Afghanistan,Iraq, our occupations, our support for corrupt regimes, this is nothing but transgressing the bounds of natural law.0 -
168 Children Murdered By US Drones
John Glaser, August 11, 2011
“for every 10 to 15 people killed, maybe they get one militant.”
The Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ) last month began to publish their findings in a study of the U.S. drone war in Pakistan. The study found that much higher rates of civilian casualties had resulted from the U.S. drone war than had been admitted by the government or than had been reported in the press.
Now a detailed study by the London-based Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ) has been published containing new figures on civilian casualties.
Its findings suggest the number of ordinary people killed could be 40 per cent higher than previously reported.
Commenting on the findings, Unicef said: "Even one child death from drone missiles or suicide bombings is one child death too many.
"Children have no place in war, and all parties should do their utmost to protect children from violent attacks at all times."
Chris Woods, who led the study, said: "The CIA's insistence that it is not killing civilians in Pakistan is at odds with the reported evidence."
The source explained: "Our information is by far the most accurate because we have real-time eyes on the targets, as well as multiple other forms of collection to assess who may have been killed. Nobody is arguing perfection over the life of the policy, but this [the use of drones] remains the most precise system we've ever had in our arsenal."
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this news is not sad to me anymore. it is infuriating :twisted:
america, fuck yeah...."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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aerial wrote:Personally, if there were a war going on I would not send my children out to collect wood or for any other reason. If they left the house, I would be with them.
You would be with them? You able to stop drone bombs with your hands? Seriously What difference does it make at the end? They are dead children.
aerial, these bombs land of homes, villages, they carpet bomb vast areas, cluster bombs.
This entire war needs to end, what's going on in Afghanistan/Iraq is nothing less than a brutal American occupation. It is quite clear, no justification at all for these actions.
Like you, aerial we all probably want a peaceful world, but this is not the way to get to where we want to be. Is it? Really? whaaat, I hope not!
If you see something I don't..Then you got to share it, please. Tell me what's going on, what do you worry about? What's the good word?..
Where do we go from here? Forward I hope, one direction, into reality, no other way, no other place.
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Warning...Graphic images of Civilian deaths as a result of NATO strikes in july 2011
you can google the sources on these pics and they all date to july 2011...
there are many many more but the images were much too large to post in the image size restrictions or i could not verify the date that they were published. these were on articles published on that date in july 2011....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Why don't they love us?
our freedom bombs are there to liberate you........from this earthly plane.0 -
'Kill Team' Soldier Gets Three Years in Prison
Adam Winfield, the Army specialist who warned his parents that soldiers in his unit were executing innocent Afghan civilians, pled guilty Friday to reduced charges and was sentenced to three years in prison for his role in one of the murders.
Winfield, 23, of Cape Coral, Fla., had been charged with premeditated murder, which carried a sentence of life in prison without parole.
Winfield agreed to a plea deal with military prosecutors at Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington state, and is expected to testify against Sgt. Calvin Gibbs, who is charged with planning and executing three Afghan civilians between January and May 2010.
At Friday's hearing, Winfield told the court he has failed to stop Gibbs and another soldier, Cpl. Jeremy Morlock, from killing a detained Afghan.
"It is my duty as an American soldier ... to protect any detainee ... that is in the custody of U.S. personnel," Winfield said. "It was my job to do that, sir, and I failed to do it."
Prosecutors allege that the Ft. Lewis-based Stryker brigade set up scenarios to kill unarmed Afghans, and then planted weapons to make the killings appear justified. Winfield had been charged with premeditated murder, but said he never fired his weapon at the victim. In his plea agreement, prosecutors accepted his defense.
Winfield is one of five Lewis-McChord soldiers accused in the three killings, and the second to accept a plea deal. Morlock pled to three counts of premeditated murder in March and was sentenced to 24 years in prison. In 2010, ABC News published video of Morlock describing the "kill team"'s alleged actions. This spring photos of the men posing with corpses surfaced in the media.
Prosecutors allege that Winfield, Gibbs, Morlock, Spc. Michael S. Wagnon II, and Pfc. Andrew H. Holmes participated in one or more of the murders and staged them to make unarmed Afghans appear to be armed insurgents.
Winfield was the first to come forward about the alleged sport killings. He told his parents while deployed that members of his unit had planned and executed the killings for sport. He was charged with murder for his part in the third and final death in May of last year.
In a confession taped last year and obtained by ABC News, Morlock, of Wasilla, Alaska, admitted the team's role in the murders of three unarmed civilians, but told Army investigators that his unit's "crazy" sergeant had hatched the plan.
Morlock, described how Gibbs had the men in his unit pick out civilians at random and then kill them with grenades and rifle fire.
"Gibbs called it like, 'Hey you guys wanna, you guys wanna wax this guy or what?' And you know, he set it up, like, he grabbed the dude."
Morlock said that killing people came "too easy" to Gibbs. "He just really doesn't have any problems with f---ing killing these, these people, to be honest."
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/kill-team ... d=142391300
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