NATO Kills Nine Children in Afghan Air Strike

IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
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NATO Kills Nine Children in Afghan Air Strike
by Jason Ditz, March 01, 2011

Already facing public outrage over the killing of 65 civilians in an offensive, NATO is once again in the hot seat in the Kunar Province, with provincial police reporting that a NATO air strike killed nine children this afternoon.

NATO reported that its Forward Operating Base in the region came under rocket fire, and that it launched the air strikes at what they believed was the “point of origin” of the attack, a nearby mountainside.

The mountainside, however, did not contain insurgents, but rather contained ten Afghan children who were collecting firewood on the wooded area. Nine of them were slain in the strike, while another was badly wounded.

NATO has promised a further investigation into the kilings, which were in the Darah-Ye Pech District. They insisted that they took the reports of civilian deaths “very seriously,” though previous glib responses to the last Kunar massacres prompted major scorn amongst Afghan officials.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/n ... cation=rss
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:(

The Atlantic Alliance are nothing but killers, America, NATO, go around killing countless innocent people, then say 'we do not target innocent lives'...Surely that is an excuse for simply not caring if innocent people die.

When you carpet bomb a country, or drop many thousand pound bombs on a street or village, knowing full well innocent people will/may die, yet able to guise this murder as "unintentional". Yes this is how civilized we are.

DU weapons over cities in far off lands, causing cancer and birth defects for years to come,

When will it end, how sad it is...

One day maybe, the souls of these children will speak to their killers, surely they would ask for what crimes they have committed to deserve being stripped of the life they had. Being taken away far too early, by so called givers of freedom from far above their heads.
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  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    CNN just gave this story a full 1 minute of coverage, in between a video of some Italian designer talking about his love for Hitler and the ipad 2.

    :?
  • "Oooooops, sorry, our bad..."

    :roll:

    NATO apologizes for killing 9 Afghan boys
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41871420/ns ... tral_asia/
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  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196
    This is just sad to die for just collecting wood to stay warm for the winter something you or I would do for comfort. There's no such thing as accidental killings of children...I wonder what could possibly have caused those two helicopters to fire if they were NOT fired upon?

    Peace
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  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    g under p wrote:
    This is just sad to die for just collecting wood to stay warm for the winter something you or I would do for comfort. There's no such thing as accidental killings of children...I wonder what could possibly have caused those two helicopters to fire if they were NOT fired upon?

    Peace

    Same line they often use, we were fired on from some where in the area, (You know Afghanistan has a lot of area :|

    So whatever we see after that, we hit. If we hit innocence, then 'sorry'.
  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    -NATO Troops Kill 12-Year-Old Afghan Girl, Police Officer in Overnight Raid

    by Jason Ditz, May 12, 2011

    The history of NATO night raids in Afghanistan has already been littered with failures and civilian casualties, and was worsened again today as officials admitted that an overnight raid targeted the wrong house, killing a 12 year old girl and a man employed by the National Police, whom officials had initially termed a “Taliban leader.”

    Officials said they were targeting a Taliban suspect in the region but apologized after they realized they had the wrong house, and after they had killed two people. The father of the slain girl, who owned the house, says she was killed when the troops threw a grenade at her. NATO reports confirm she was fleeing out the door at the time of her killing, but claim she was armed.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/179534.html

    The uncle, Shukrullah, who like many Afghans uses only one name, was a police officer; he had recently been transferred to Surkhrod District, where the raid occurred. He was 25 and had a wife and two daughters, said Mr. Mohammed, who was his brother-in-law and in whose home he was staying.

    A police officer who arrived after the shooting said that Mr. Shukrullah, who was a graduate of the police academy, was at the house that night only by chance.

    “He was supposed to be on patrol with others, but someone else went on patrol instead of him because he was still new and didn’t know the villages very well,” said the officer, who asked that his name not be used because he was not supposed to speak to reporters.

    “He was a really good officer,” his colleague said, adding, “He was shot twice: once in the head and once in the chest. His pistol magazine was full. No round had been fired from it.”

    Rear Adm. Harold Pittman, NATO’s deputy chief of staff for communications, apologized for the deaths. “We are deeply sorry for this tragedy and apologize to the members of the Afghan government, the people of Afghanistan and most importantly, the surviving family members of those killed by our actions,” Admiral Pittman said. “We understand any civilian loss of life is detrimental to our cause and to our efforts to secure the population.”

    For Mr. Mohammed, the words were little comfort. “They killed my 12 year-old innocent daughter and my brother-in-law and then told me, ‘We are sorry,’ ” he said. “What does it mean? What pain can be cured by this word ‘sorry’ ?”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/13/world ... ss&emc=rss
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    not the first..not the last... :(
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • KatKat Posts: 4,871
    Bombs are bad. :`(
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    If were an Afgani and wasn't part of the Taliban, this would make me join.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/13 ... -pakistan/


    68 or 9 who is the worst amung the them ?


    Godfather.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    violence begets violence ... bombs have and never will be the answer ...
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    If were an Afgani and wasn't part of the Taliban, this would make me join.

    the taliban is doing the same thing and it ain't over yet, nato is the least of afgans problems right now.

    Godfather.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    polaris_x wrote:
    violence begets violence ... bombs have and never will be the answer ...
    exactly..its not a number issue..who kill the more
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    polaris_x wrote:
    violence begets violence ... bombs have and never will be the answer ...
    exactly..its not a number issue..who kill the more
    I agree it's not a number issue, but it is an intended target issue.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    so if the US just up and pulls out as everybody wants..myself included what would happen to Afganistan ?
    the taliban would have a field day...but if it wassn't the taliban it would be another group or neighboring country, so what do you guys think, stay or get out ?


    Godfather.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Godfather. wrote:
    so if the US just up and pulls out as everybody wants..myself included what would happen to Afganistan ?
    the taliban would have a field day...but if it wassn't the taliban it would be another group or neighboring country, so what do you guys think, stay or get out ?


    Godfather.

    write a fat cheque to the afghani gov't ... apologize for the destruction of property and deaths of thousands of innocent lives so you could go after a group of peeople that reside in almost every country in the world ...

    then leave ...

    part of being a sovereign country is being allowed to determine their own fate ... people may not like the decisions but it's theirs to deal with ...
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    unfortunately we broke it, we bought it.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Godfather. wrote:
    If were an Afgani and wasn't part of the Taliban, this would make me join.

    the taliban is doing the same thing and it ain't over yet, nato is the least of afgans problems right now.

    Godfather.


    Thats a good point, .....i just get angry when i read stuff like this.
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Godfather. wrote:
    so what do you guys think, stay or get out ?
    Godfather.

    Stay harder
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    polaris_x wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    so if the US just up and pulls out as everybody wants..myself included what would happen to Afganistan ?
    the taliban would have a field day...but if it wassn't the taliban it would be another group or neighboring country, so what do you guys think, stay or get out ?


    Godfather.

    write a fat cheque to the afghani gov't ... apologize for the destruction of property and deaths of thousands of innocent lives so you could go after a group of peeople that reside in almost every country in the world ...

    then leave ...

    part of being a sovereign country is being allowed to determine their own fate ... people may not like the decisions but it's theirs to deal with ...

    we already give them billions in aid every year but my point is if we bail out now they will be hammered by the taliban even more now that everybody knows they helped to find usama, thet accepted our money in return for information so they are kind of the neighborhood rat in the middle east and if we just turn our backs on them now they will be in even more trouble.

    Godfather.
  • ShawshankShawshank Posts: 1,018
    Jesus, some of you have a very short memory. It wasn't all that long ago that the Taliban ruled a large majority of Afghanistan. They weren't just "a group of people that reside in almost every country in the world", this was their home turf where they ruled supreme. They made sport out of terrorizing civilians and massacring large numbers of people whenever they got bored. That's not just propaganda. There are eyewitness reports of them storming villages, skinning people, and slitting throats. If I knew that other countries were trying to get rid of these bastards, I'd take my chances of getting bombed, if it meant I wouldn't have to live under that type of fear.

    The problem with Afghanistan really centers around our idiotic entrance into Iraq. That left our war against the core of the Taliban as a secondary front, while the primary resources of our military would used in Iraq. Probably one of the worst mistakes this country has ever made. If we had continued to fully pursue the Taliban when we drove them out of Kabul and some of the larger areas, we could have at least annihilated a larger portion of the group, and there's really no other option than that. You aren't going to negotiate with them, or establish peace treaties. Sorry, but you have to kill them. Instead we did nothing more than just swat down a hornets nest, and they simply scattered and regrouped in a different location.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Shawshank wrote:
    Jesus, some of you have a very short memory. It wasn't all that long ago that the Taliban ruled a large majority of Afghanistan. They weren't just "a group of people that reside in almost every country in the world", this was their home turf where they ruled supreme. They made sport out of terrorizing civilians and massacring large numbers of people whenever they got bored. That's not just propaganda. There are eyewitness reports of them storming villages, skinning people, and slitting throats. If I knew that other countries were trying to get rid of these bastards, I'd take my chances of getting bombed, if it meant I wouldn't have to live under that type of fear.

    The problem with Afghanistan really centers around our idiotic entrance into Iraq. That left our war against the core of the Taliban as a secondary front, while the primary resources of our military would used in Iraq. Probably one of the worst mistakes this country has ever made. If we had continued to fully pursue the Taliban when we drove them out of Kabul and some of the larger areas, we could have at least annihilated a larger portion of the group, and there's really no other option than that. You aren't going to negotiate with them, or establish peace treaties. Sorry, but you have to kill them. Instead we did nothing more than just swat down a hornets nest, and they simply scattered and regrouped in a different location.

    wow xlnt post !

    Godfather.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    Shawshank wrote:
    . Sorry, but you have to kill them. .
    and who give you the right as a country to go to another country and kill anyone you dont like?
    who made you the big sheriff of the world?and if you care so much,why you do it ONLY in countries that have oil, and not in the rest of countries that dont have Democracy?come on.
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Shawshank wrote:
    Jesus, some of you have a very short memory. It wasn't all that long ago that the Taliban ruled a large majority of Afghanistan. They weren't just "a group of people that reside in almost every country in the world", this was their home turf where they ruled supreme. They made sport out of terrorizing civilians and massacring large numbers of people whenever they got bored. That's not just propaganda. There are eyewitness reports of them storming villages, skinning people, and slitting throats. If I knew that other countries were trying to get rid of these bastards, I'd take my chances of getting bombed, if it meant I wouldn't have to live under that type of fear.

    The problem with Afghanistan really centers around our idiotic entrance into Iraq. That left our war against the core of the Taliban as a secondary front, while the primary resources of our military would used in Iraq. Probably one of the worst mistakes this country has ever made. If we had continued to fully pursue the Taliban when we drove them out of Kabul and some of the larger areas, we could have at least annihilated a larger portion of the group, and there's really no other option than that. You aren't going to negotiate with them, or establish peace treaties. Sorry, but you have to kill them. Instead we did nothing more than just swat down a hornets nest, and they simply scattered and regrouped in a different location.

    oh good grief ...

    first of all ... i was referring to al qaeda because as far as i know ... the taliban did not orchestrate 9-11 ... al qaeda did ... and they are indeed everywhere ...

    secondly ... there are a lot of countries that operate in a way we probably all don't agree with ... what honestly gives americans or nato the right to kill innocent people in order to achieve some ideological symmetry ... am i in support of the taliban? ... hell no, but i also know that the taliban were considered allies by the US not so recently and now they are the evilest of the evil ...

    american foreign policy has NEVER EVER been about human rights and democracy ... it's about imperialism and war profiteering ... the sooner people realize this, the sooner people will understand why it is that the world's most stacked military can not contain two countries that barely blip the scale in economic development ...

    kill kill ... that's all some people know ... you guys want revenge for 9-11 ... well, guess what ... there are some people who want revenge for the loss of their loved ones ... how do you plan on leaving this vicious circle ...

    learn to use your heart and mind to solve differences instead of a fucking gun ...
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Shawshank wrote:
    . Sorry, but you have to kill them. .
    and who give you the right as a country to go to another country and kill anyone you dont like?
    who made you the big sheriff of the world?


    the UN?
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    Shawshank wrote:
    . Sorry, but you have to kill them. .
    and who give you the right as a country to go to another country and kill anyone you dont like?
    who made you the big sheriff of the world?


    the UN?
    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: ..and who the fuck is UN???and if UN say NO????????
    who is gonna stop USA????Greece?,Monaco?Pakistan?S Arabia?..
    need a reason to attack ??????oh..will be another 9/11 ,and there is your reason
    if you guys dont understand bombs is bad,isnt the way,then,the next will knock on your door and dont be shocked about it..
    someone in the other side of the planet,the day you guys went out with the flags and celebrate osama death make a promise that will try to make you feel pain and loose people that you love..and he will make it..
    sad but truth..
    so believe me guns is the worst solution..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    and who give you the right as a country to go to another country and kill anyone you dont like?
    who made you the big sheriff of the world?


    the UN?
    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: ..and who the fuck is UN???and if UN say NO????????
    who is gonna stop USA????Greece?,Monaco?Pakistan?S Arabia?..
    need a reason to attack ??????oh..will be another 9/11 ,and there is your reason
    if you guys dont understand bombs is bad,isnt the way,then,the next will knock on your door and dont be shocked about it..
    someone in the other side of the planet,the day you guys went out with the flags and celebrate osama death make a promise that will try to make you feel pain and loose people that you love..and he will make it..
    sad but truth..
    so believe me guns is the worst solution..


    sarcasm is hard to get out there on the internet...

    but ultimately guns may be the worst or the only depending on what you believe is the cause of the problem...if they are reasonible people(which I guess they haven't shown themselves to be but it is possible) then simply pulling back our international influence over the region or "arab world" would do it...on the other hand they could simply be bullies...and in that case you need to punch them in the mouth.

    I like the idea that us simply pulling back our international influence over the arab world would do it.
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    mikepegg44 wrote:

    sarcasm is hard to get out there on the internet...

    but ultimately guns may be the worst or the only depending on what you believe is the cause of the problem...if they are reasonible people(which I guess they haven't shown themselves to be but it is possible) then simply pulling back our international influence over the region or "arab world" would do it...on the other hand they could simply be bullies...and in that case you need to punch them in the mouth.

    I like the idea that us simply pulling back our international influence over the arab world would do it.
    i wish my sarcasm was the issue here..wouldnt be so serious the problem to solve..guns kill people..
    and when someone bomb your house,you see your family in blood,dead you think only justice,meaning revenge..and no what you believe is the cause of the problem...
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    While the bombs they fall on children
    dont know which side...dont care which side that they're on
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    Byrnzie wrote:
    While the bombs they fall on children
    dont know which side...dont care which side that they're on
    exactly...

    just like all the money made by defense co's is green...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    ASADABAD, Afghanistan (Reuters) - Foreign troops killed an Afghan child and wounded four others when responding to insurgent fire in volatile eastern Kunar province, the provincial Governor said on Monday, the third accidental killing of young civilians in less than a week.

    The NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) said it had killed "four armed individuals" in Kunar's Ghazi Abad district on Sunday, but was looking into allegations of civilian casualties there.
    Fazlullah Wahidi, governor of Kunar, said a group of girls had been collecting firewood near an insurgent hideout and were struck when ISAF troops that had come under attack returned fire. A 10-year-old girl was killed, and four others wounded.

    If confirmed, this would be the third time in less than a week that NATO troops have killed young Afghan civilians.

    On Saturday, ISAF said its troops mistakenly killed a 15-year-old boy during an operation with Afghan forces to capture a Taliban insurgent in eastern Nangarhar province.

    ISAF also apologized for the death of a teenage woman and an Afghan policeman on Wednesday, during a joint raid by Afghan and foreign troops on a compound in Nangarhar.

    These deaths are a major source of friction between Afghan President Hamid Karzai and his Western backers, and complicate efforts to win support from ordinary Afghans for an increasingly unpopular war.
    In March the commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan made a rare apology for an air strike that killed nine children, who like the girls hit in Kunar were out collecting firewood. U.S. President Barack Obama also expressed "deep regret" over the deaths.
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