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norm · August 2011

the hypocrisy of the ncaa knows no bounds

USC fans were reeling last June when Paul Dee, then-chairman of the NCAA’s Committee on Infractions, oversaw the handing down of some of the most severe sanctions in college football history.

Now Dee is back in the news.

In a report on Yahoo!Sports, Charles Robinson details how imprisoned University of Miami booster Nevin Shapiro allegedly provided impermissible benefits to more than 70 Hurricanes athletes from 2002 to 2010.

Dee was Miami’s athletic director from 1993 to 2008.

Wrote Robinson:

Shapiro said he was enabled by the university, allowed to run the entire Miami team out of tunnel and onto the field -- twice -- and once honored on the field by former athletic director Paul Dee during a game. The same Paul Dee who wagged a finger at USC as the chairman of the NCAA’s committee on infractions in 2010, chiding the Reggie Bush/O.J. Mayo scandal as a systematic failure.

“High-profile players demand high-profile compliance,” Dee said while announcing USC’s sanctions.

Now Shapiro says Miami’s athletic compliance -- Dee’s own backyard while Shapiro was operating -- suffered one catastrophic oversight after another.

Dennis Dodd of CBSSports.com took Dee to task in his column:

He's the guy who sat in judgment of USC when the program was burned to the ground, then scolded the school for letting it happen.

"High profile players demand high-profile compliance," Dee said 14 months ago in reference to Reggie Bush.

There have been few more hypocritical words spoken in the history of NCAA enforcement.

Stewart Mandel of SI.com also weighed in on Dee:

“Dee, Miami's AD during most of the period covering Shapiro's allegations, is retired and no longer under NCAA jurisdiction. Still, it seems only fair he should spend a day at USC's Heritage Hall wearing a sandwich board with the word "Hypocrite."

See if this sounds familiar: "We didn't have any suspicion that he was doing anything like this.” He didn't do anything to cause concern."

I'm fairly certain I heard Pete Carroll say something to that effect, repeatedly, about Bush's time at USC. He insisted there's no way he or anyone else at the school could have known that Bush's parents were living the high life in San Diego -- a defense Dee and his committee sharply rebuked.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_ ... vrit=53285

81 · August 2011

norm wrote:

the hypocrisy of the ncaa knows no bounds

USC fans were reeling last June when Paul Dee, then-chairman of the NCAA’s Committee on Infractions, oversaw the handing down of some of the most severe sanctions in college football history.

Now Dee is back in the news.

In a report on Yahoo!Sports, Charles Robinson details how imprisoned University of Miami booster Nevin Shapiro allegedly provided impermissible benefits to more than 70 Hurricanes athletes from 2002 to 2010.

Dee was Miami’s athletic director from 1993 to 2008.

Wrote Robinson:

Shapiro said he was enabled by the university, allowed to run the entire Miami team out of tunnel and onto the field -- twice -- and once honored on the field by former athletic director Paul Dee during a game. The same Paul Dee who wagged a finger at USC as the chairman of the NCAA’s committee on infractions in 2010, chiding the Reggie Bush/O.J. Mayo scandal as a systematic failure.

“High-profile players demand high-profile compliance,” Dee said while announcing USC’s sanctions.

Now Shapiro says Miami’s athletic compliance -- Dee’s own backyard while Shapiro was operating -- suffered one catastrophic oversight after another.

Dennis Dodd of CBSSports.com took Dee to task in his column:

He's the guy who sat in judgment of USC when the program was burned to the ground, then scolded the school for letting it happen.

"High profile players demand high-profile compliance," Dee said 14 months ago in reference to Reggie Bush.

There have been few more hypocritical words spoken in the history of NCAA enforcement.

Stewart Mandel of SI.com also weighed in on Dee:

“Dee, Miami's AD during most of the period covering Shapiro's allegations, is retired and no longer under NCAA jurisdiction. Still, it seems only fair he should spend a day at USC's Heritage Hall wearing a sandwich board with the word "Hypocrite."

See if this sounds familiar: "We didn't have any suspicion that he was doing anything like this.” He didn't do anything to cause concern."

I'm fairly certain I heard Pete Carroll say something to that effect, repeatedly, about Bush's time at USC. He insisted there's no way he or anyone else at the school could have known that Bush's parents were living the high life in San Diego -- a defense Dee and his committee sharply rebuked.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_ ... vrit=53285

do as i say, not as i do. :roll:

they out of just go start a new football league for 18-22 year olds. call in NFL triple A

norm · August 2011

81 wrote:

they out of just go start a new football league for 18-22 year olds. call in NFL triple A

i can't believe goodell hasn't already tried to do it...a minor league like baseball

LukinFan · August 2011

I LOVE it! Now I just need UF to make the same headlines

norm · August 2011

LukinFan wrote:

I LOVE it! Now I just need UF to make the same headlines

thought you'd be loving this

81 · August 2011

norm wrote:

81 wrote:

they out of just go start a new football league for 18-22 year olds. call in NFL triple A

i can't believe goodell hasn't already tried to do it...a minor league like baseball

my guess is people wouldn't care as much. when you have the name of a school in your name, you have all the allumni that what to be part of it. you have 100 year old rivalries, school pride.

with a minor league team, you have the Columbus Tattoo'ers vs. the Miami Boosters. not as exciting, even if hte same players are playing.

norm · August 2011

81 wrote:

norm wrote:

81 wrote:

they out of just go start a new football league for 18-22 year olds. call in NFL triple A

i can't believe goodell hasn't already tried to do it...a minor league like baseball

my guess is people wouldn't care as much. when you have the name of a school in your name, you have all the allumni that what to be part of it. you have 100 year old rivalries, school pride.

with a minor league team, you have the Columbus Tattoo'ers vs. the Miami Boosters. not as exciting, even if hte same players are playing.

well i wouldn't want it...i love college football and it would piss me off if they tried to do something like this...but the ncaa is so incompetent they might just fuck up the golden goose they have and the nfl might fill the void

pjhawks · August 2011

norm wrote:

well i wouldn't want it...i love college football and it would piss me off if they tried to do something like this...but the ncaa is so incompetent they might just fuck up the golden goose they have and the nfl might fill the void

no incentive for NFL to start any minor league - why put your own money into something when the colleges will pay to do the same thing.

as for the NCAA the BCS conferences are going to break off and start their own organization in the near future. only way this doesn't happen is government intervention somehow. BCS schools have no interest in being aligned with non-BCS conferences. i think a split is inevitable.

Cliffy6745 · August 2011

I need to read through this when I get a chance. Sounds awesome.

LukinFan · August 2011

norm wrote:

LukinFan wrote:

I LOVE it! Now I just need UF to make the same headlines

thought you'd be loving this

it would be better if it was UF, but I'll take what I can get

RW81233 · August 2011

It looks like Game Over for the U. This is why I love them though they are a case study in everything that is wrong about everything and shove it down peoples throats. Think about how illogical the NCAA is. Take a bunch of kids who have been sold out by the American educational system to the point that they value a chance at professional sports and a 2.3 year working lifespan over school, then give them FREE SCHOOL so they can take classes with kids whose parents are probably supporting the laws and government that are creating their desperate situation, and with teachers who have no idea how to reach them. On top of this you don't pay them a wage, or allow them to make money while you make money off of them. Additionally, their FREE SCHOOL is a one year renewable contract (the myth that you get 4-5 years for free is not reality) based on your health, and on-field performance. Moreover, if a new coach comes in he can just revoke your FREE SCHOOL even if you're a senior with 12 credits left to graduate. At the same time you allow T.Boone Pickens (an oil crook) to donate millions to Oklahoma State, and Phil Knight (a sneaker crook) to donate millions to Oregon with no recourse. And then we get shocked when this all fails? We get mad at the kids for taking those "improper benefits"? I hope the U has a magical season and has all sorts of celebrations involving cash signs, stripper poles, and riding boats with 3 hookers surrounding you. Likely they are headed for another 6-5 and the death penalty. Then what do they do with those kids who may have to rely on the FREE SCHOOL only to watch that go away because there is no team to get a scholarship from?

pjhawks · August 2011

RW81233 wrote:

It looks like Game Over for the U. This is why I love them though they are a case study in everything that is wrong about everything and shove it down peoples throats. Think about how illogical the NCAA is. Take a bunch of kids who have been sold out by the American educational system to the point that they value a chance at professional sports and a 2.3 year working lifespan over school, then give them FREE SCHOOL so they can take classes with kids whose parents are probably supporting the laws and government that are creating their desperate situation, and with teachers who have no idea how to reach them. On top of this you don't pay them a wage, or allow them to make money while you make money off of them. Additionally, their FREE SCHOOL is a one year renewable contract (the myth that you get 4-5 years for free is not reality) based on your health, and on-field performance. Moreover, if a new coach comes in he can just revoke your FREE SCHOOL even if you're a senior with 12 credits left to graduate. At the same time you allow T.Boone Pickens (an oil crook) to donate millions to Oklahoma State, and Phil Knight (a sneaker crook) to donate millions to Oregon with no recourse. And then we get shocked when this all fails? We get mad at the kids for taking those "improper benefits"? I hope the U has a magical season and has all sorts of celebrations involving cash signs, stripper poles, and riding boats with 3 hookers surrounding you. Likely they are headed for another 6-5 and the death penalty. Then what do they do with those kids who may have to rely on the FREE SCHOOL only to watch that go away because there is no team to get a scholarship from?

here you go again :roll: poor exploited athletes getting free hummers (cars and uhh the other type). i feel so much sympathy for the players who play for these big time programs -puh-leeze. you're arguments might have merit at the lower levels and non-BCS schools but trust me the benefits these athletes get as 'scholarship' athletes at these universities far outweigh the negatives.

RW81233 · August 2011

From what sort of experience are you coming from? Did you go to one of these schools? I went to Maryland for 7 years, and can say those kids definitely did not have it easy - completely altered my perception of even those programs.

Phantom Pain · August 2011

Can't say I'm shocked but WOW

NCAA is so dirty

pjhawks · August 2011

RW81233 wrote:

From what sort of experience are you coming from? Did you go to one of these schools? I went to Maryland for 7 years, and can say those kids definitely did not have it easy - completely altered my perception of even those programs.

what was hard for them?

shall we list some of the benefits off the top of my head they get (whether half or more choose to use them or not) lets see---free tutors, 'athlete-friendly' professors, team meals (of a much higher quality than standard college cafeteria food), free gear like shoes and sweatshits, woman and parties whenever and wherever, if they graduate easy access to alumni/jobs, lack of college loan debt in their future...and that's just about 30 seconds of thought worth of things they get over regular students.

edit: and not to mention that 90% of them would never sniff the inside of the colleges they get into if not for the athletic ability. and i have nothing wrong with allowing atheltes into a school but they ones that do choose to use it correctly can get a degree at a level most likely wouldn't have had the opportunity to attain if not for them being 'exploited' on scholarships'

RW81233 · August 2011

pjhawks wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

From what sort of experience are you coming from? Did you go to one of these schools? I went to Maryland for 7 years, and can say those kids definitely did not have it easy - completely altered my perception of even those programs.

what was hard for them?

shall we list some of the benefits off the top of my head they get (whether half or more choose to use them or not) lets see---free tutors, 'athlete-friendly' professors, team meals (of a much higher quality than standard college cafeteria food), free gear like shoes and sweatshits, woman and parties whenever and wherever, if they graduate easy access to alumni/jobs, lack of college loan debt in their future...and that's just about 30 seconds of thought worth of things they get over regular students.

edit: and not to mention that 90% of them would never sniff the inside of the colleges they get into if not for the athletic ability. and i have nothing wrong with allowing atheltes into a school but they ones that do choose to use it correctly can get a degree at a level most likely wouldn't have had the opportunity to attain if not for them being 'exploited' on scholarships'

Just for frame of reference I had several athletes over all sports, some were great some were bad, but just from football I had: D'Qwell Jackson, Nick Novak, Jordan Steffy, Josh Allen (my fave), Josh Wilson (2nd fave), Do'rell Scott, and Alex Wocjiak to name a few. I'm not name dropping to do it (none of these are real good pros outside of Jackson), but rather to say these kids were the best at the school and they did not have a whole lot of fun outside of the team. Wilson once wrote a fantastic article for the Diamondback when he was in my bowling class showing how "easy" it is to be a college athlete. Found it: http://www.diamondbackonline.com/2.2792 ... s-1.294563

81 · August 2011

RW81233 wrote:

. Wilson once wrote a fantastic article for the Diamondback when he was in my bowling class showing how "easy" it is to be a college athlete. Found it: http://www.diamondbackonline.com/2.2792 ... s-1.294563

:roll: cry me a river.

bowling class?

makes my skeet shooting class look like rocket science.

RW81233 · August 2011

you have to take a certain amount of activity courses to graduate from UMD...basically all are taught by grad assistants. i don't think wilson was asking you to feel bad for him, he just basically debunked your mythological "great time" that athletes have. where are you getting your info that being a student athlete at a big school is all fun and games?

norm · August 2011

RW81233 wrote:

where are you getting your info that being a student athlete at a big school is all fun and games?

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/y-sports-p ... slideshow/

pjhawks · August 2011

RW81233 wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

From what sort of experience are you coming from? Did you go to one of these schools? I went to Maryland for 7 years, and can say those kids definitely did not have it easy - completely altered my perception of even those programs.

what was hard for them?

shall we list some of the benefits off the top of my head they get (whether half or more choose to use them or not) lets see---free tutors, 'athlete-friendly' professors, team meals (of a much higher quality than standard college cafeteria food), free gear like shoes and sweatshits, woman and parties whenever and wherever, if they graduate easy access to alumni/jobs, lack of college loan debt in their future...and that's just about 30 seconds of thought worth of things they get over regular students.

edit: and not to mention that 90% of them would never sniff the inside of the colleges they get into if not for the athletic ability. and i have nothing wrong with allowing atheltes into a school but they ones that do choose to use it correctly can get a degree at a level most likely wouldn't have had the opportunity to attain if not for them being 'exploited' on scholarships'

Just for frame of reference I had several athletes over all sports, some were great some were bad, but just from football I had: D'Qwell Jackson, Nick Novak, Jordan Steffy, Josh Allen (my fave), Josh Wilson (2nd fave), Do'rell Scott, and Alex Wocjiak to name a few. I'm not name dropping to do it (none of these are real good pros outside of Jackson), but rather to say these kids were the best at the school and they did not have a whole lot of fun outside of the team. Wilson once wrote a fantastic article for the Diamondback when he was in my bowling class showing how "easy" it is to be a college athlete. Found it: http://www.diamondbackonline.com/2.2792 ... s-1.294563

read the article. 1st he tries to compare a regular student paying up to $100,000 to attend Maryland to him having to be in the dorms in January which makes his educaiton not 'free'? wow ok. secondly he mention s 'free' dinner he has to attend. i'm sure the mommy and daddy's of those students paying $100,000 wouldn't mind some of those free 'dinners'. as for his schedule plenty of college students put in almost as much time WORKING at a real job to help pay for college as he does on football. i mean he has be awake from 5:30 am until like 9:00 pm working on school and football which is like so hard. i guess none of the rest of the students at aryland have to work to help pay bills and such. this dude has no perspective of what real middle class type students go through.

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