Survey, 1 in 3 will drop benefits after nobama care

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  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Cosmo wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
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    I am glad that you can guarantee that you, your wife and kids will never be in a serious accident... that none of you will ever face a serious health risk, such as heart disease or cancer. I cannot guarantee that for myself.
    I'm also glad you can guarantee that you will never lose your employer provided health care. I cannot guarantee that, either.
    So you are saying that society is responsible for your health? Not you...
    ...
    No. I am saying that insurance companies need to provide INSURANCE to their customers if and when they need it. This whole debate would never have happened if insurance companies weren't left to regulate themselves for decades and did the right thing for their customers.
    I don't support the the way the current system is running, but I would much rather have a private health care than an universial one... What makes you think the gov. aren't going to regulate themselves and everyone else.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,559
    Blockhead wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    so is your selfishness and lack of regard for anything outside of your immediate family a function of "slavery" or is it the other way around?

    and i know plenty of people who would be offended by you calling yourself a slave, you get paid for your work, right?
    I am selfish because I think people should be responsible for their own health... :roll:
    What is the definition of salvery = being forced to do someting against your will. Why should the results (money) of my brain/body (work) be given (by force) to people who don't do the same.
    Sorry but I do not want to help pay for people who do not practice a healthy life style and or take care of themselves.

    I find it interesting that the same people who felt morally obligated to spend a trillion dollars to get rid of Hussein don't feel morally obligated around providing universal healthcare. Blockheads argument above reflects the American value of individuality gone awry. It says something must be at fault with the individual in poor health/poor insurance situation. It can be summed up with "I've got mine, so screw you".

    The argument isn't about responsibility for other's health, it's about a compassionate society.
  • markin ball
    markin ball Posts: 1,076
    Blockhead wrote:
    So the right to live = the right to live healthy? You want to go down this road?

    No, the road I'm suggesting is right to live = right to live. Many medical situations involve life or death, you know?
    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."

    "With our thoughts we make the world"
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Blockhead wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    so is your selfishness and lack of regard for anything outside of your immediate family a function of "slavery" or is it the other way around?

    and i know plenty of people who would be offended by you calling yourself a slave, you get paid for your work, right?
    I am selfish because I think people should be responsible for their own health... :roll:
    What is the definition of salvery = being forced to do someting against your will. Why should the results (money) of my brain/body (work) be given (by force) to people who don't do the same.
    Sorry but I do not want to help pay for people who do not practice a healthy life style and or take care of themselves.

    no offense but your view point is very narrow. you ASSUME that all people who get sick get sick for their own fault which is not always the case. My mom was in perfect health for all of her life, she ate well and exercised and didn't smoke or drink and never took a pill her whole life. One day she went for her regular check up and they found cancer in her body. she dies 2 month later.

    how about kids who from birth had some heart problems and they could get approved for health coverage. is that their fault also? now concerning your view that you are now a slave. do you have a problem with paying any taxes on anything?
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Go Beavers wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    so is your selfishness and lack of regard for anything outside of your immediate family a function of "slavery" or is it the other way around?

    and i know plenty of people who would be offended by you calling yourself a slave, you get paid for your work, right?
    I am selfish because I think people should be responsible for their own health... :roll:
    What is the definition of salvery = being forced to do someting against your will. Why should the results (money) of my brain/body (work) be given (by force) to people who don't do the same.
    Sorry but I do not want to help pay for people who do not practice a healthy life style and or take care of themselves.

    I find it interesting that the same people who felt morally obligated to spend a trillion dollars to get rid of Hussein don't feel morally obligated around providing universal healthcare. Blockheads argument above reflects the American value of individuality gone awry. It says something must be at fault with the individual in poor health/poor insurance situation. It can be summed up with "I've got mine, so screw you".

    The argument isn't about responsibility for other's health, it's about a compassionate society.
    So again who is responsibile for your health. Are you suggesting that everything should be deemed a human right if it comes in conflict with our ability to live?
    You are using the word "right" in disguise of dependancy. Just because people are dependant on other people to live does not give them the "right" to that service.
    Also compassionate society needs to work both ways... Taking my money to provide services to people who can't themselves, also takes away services/privliages of my children and family...
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I thinks it's human right to have a mechanic fix my car if I can pay for it or not dang it ! :lol:

    Godfather.
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    Go Beavers wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    so is your selfishness and lack of regard for anything outside of your immediate family a function of "slavery" or is it the other way around?

    and i know plenty of people who would be offended by you calling yourself a slave, you get paid for your work, right?
    I am selfish because I think people should be responsible for their own health... :roll:
    What is the definition of salvery = being forced to do someting against your will. Why should the results (money) of my brain/body (work) be given (by force) to people who don't do the same.
    Sorry but I do not want to help pay for people who do not practice a healthy life style and or take care of themselves.

    I find it interesting that the same people who felt morally obligated to spend a trillion dollars to get rid of Hussein don't feel morally obligated around providing universal healthcare. Blockheads argument above reflects the American value of individuality gone awry. It says something must be at fault with the individual in poor health/poor insurance situation. It can be summed up with "I've got mine, so screw you".

    The argument isn't about responsibility for other's health, it's about a compassionate society.

    I'm with you Go Beavers. Individualism is running rampant--running away from the evil, negro socialist, right?-and it has, in my opinion, a detrimental impact on the progress--bad word, bad word--of this nation. The inequality in this country is staggering, and there are too many idiots protecting the greed infested holders of the nation's wealth, under the delusion of the threat of socialism and some dreamt up attack on freedom, liberty, and capitalism. It simply does not make sense.
    I am likely going to post this in a new thread, but it works here as well:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookou ... record-low
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,559
    So again who is responsibile for your health. Are you suggesting that everything should be deemed a human right if it comes in conflict with our ability to live?
    You are using the word "right" in disguise of dependancy. Just because people are dependant on other people to live does not give them the "right" to that service.
    Also compassionate society needs to work both ways... Taking my money to provide services to people who can't themselves, also takes away services/privliages of my children and family..

    I'm responsible for my health, but we're also all going to die for whatever reason. I can do some things to effect that, but other things are out of my control. The discussion is about health insurance and responsibility of society facilitating accessability of the insurance. No, I'm not suggesting that everything be a right if it comes in conflict with our ability to live. Education is something that's widely accepted that we all should pay in to for the good of society. I'm suggesting that health insurance also be.

    It sounds like you're suggesting that we end Medicare and cut those old people loose who are dependent on other people. I bet you'll refuse medicare after you retire. One could make the argument that you and your family benefit from a society where more people have decent health insurance. You're more dependent on others than it appears you're willing to acknowledge.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,559
    Godfather. wrote:
    I thinks it's human right to have a mechanic fix my car if I can pay for it or not dang it ! :lol:

    Godfather.

    Bad analogy.

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