Employer provided, no. Employers do not have to do anything but compensate those who they employ. I do feel though, that healthcare should be a basic right for human beings.
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Exactly.
People seem to think Health Care is owed to them by their employer. It's not. It is provided to employees as a benefit to get them to come work for them and to keep them in their employ.
I think the worst offenders of health care hypocracy are the fucking assholes who claim that the government needs to get out of the Health Care system... yet, scream bloody murder if anyone even suggests cutting their Medicare assistance.
There is this great thing called the Internet. And it is full of knowlege and great articles and stats but people do not use it in this fashion. So many of these anit-government healthcare questions can be answered by a simple Google search. I also think the Obama administration needs to do a better job educating people on this subject. They had two week window after it was passed to really hammer it home and they did not.
There is this great thing called the Internet. And it is full of knowlege and great articles and stats but people do not use it in this fashion. So many of these anit-government healthcare questions can be answered by a simple Google search. I also think the Obama administration needs to do a better job educating people on this subject. They had two week window after it was passed to really hammer it home and they did not.
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And we cannot under estimate the intellect that will attempt to change Wikipedia to say that Paul Revere rode through the streets, firing warning shots and ringing bells shouting, "Hey, you British people... you are not going to take our arms away from us and all that!!! Hey, you British people... you are not going to take our arms away from us and all that!!!".
Those people will seek out that information that agrees with their perspective of truth and reality and present it to the rest of us as fact.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
There is this great thing called the Internet. And it is full of knowlege and great articles and stats but people do not use it in this fashion. So many of these anit-government healthcare questions can be answered by a simple Google search. I also think the Obama administration needs to do a better job educating people on this subject. They had two week window after it was passed to really hammer it home and they did not.
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And we cannot under estimate the intellect that will attempt to change Wikipedia to say that Paul Revere rode through the streets, firing warning shots and ringing bells shouting, "Hey, you British people... you are not going to take our arms away from us and all that!!! Hey, you British people... you are not going to take our arms away from us and all that!!!".
Those people will seek out that information that agrees with their perspective of truth and reality and present it to the rest of us as fact.
Shadowcast: People are not intellectually curious anymore. We are spoonfed mundane, idiotic distractions (TV=the Feelies). yes, Obama failed to clearly explain healthcare reform. I was quite surprised at his failure to communicate healthcare reform to the people.
Cosmo: This--"Those people will seek out that information that agrees with their perspective of truth and reality and present it to the rest of us as fact" is my creed. We are all conditioned since birth, and it is only the very few who are able to realize it and then seek out their own knowledge.
I look at it this way:
We are all born into a prison. An ideological, religious prison. We are told what to think, who to be; we are told what a man is, and how a man is supposed to act; we are told what a woman is and how a woman is supposed to act; we are conditioned to believe in a certain religion, and this is based on the luck of where we were born and the luck of the family we are born into. The list goes on and on. There are children out there who are conditioned/brainwashed into being neo-Nazis. The bottom line is how do we know who we really are or what we really believe when we are brought into an already constructed belief system?
To me there are 4 types of people.
1. Those who see the bars of the prison that they are born into. They see the bars, they recognize the cell, and do everything in their power to escape. Finally, after years, decades, they are able to break through the bars and escape.
2. Those who see the cell and try everything in their power to escape, but eventually fail for a variety of reasons.
3. Those who see the bars and the cell, but are content with their lives and their narrow-minded belief systems that were constructed for them by others.
4. Those who are so narrow-minded, so full of illusions, who do not ever see the bars in form of them, who do not recognize the cell that they are trapped in. And to many, these people are the majority.
I'm likely going to turn down the health insurance benefits at my new employer. I can get it cheaper on my own.
The only people we have to blame in this health care mess is ourselves. It's not the government's fault, and it's not the fault of the health insurance providers.
We've let the entities mentionmentioned above very slowly indoctrinate us into a system where we overpay some other entity to make a profit and then pay for our health care. We basically never see or question the cost and we now basically believe that health insurance = health care.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
health care should not be a basic right for "human beings" because people have to provide the care and they need to go to school, be smart, dedicated and pay THEIR bills.
so should these "human beings" that need care. pay some bills!
this shit does not just fall from the trees ya'll.
Snow / Prince, I'm always willing to learn but also get a few laughs on the train so if I piss you guys off don't take me too seriously, life is too short to stress over opinions and before you know it your looking forward to retirement.....15 more years baby and I'm gona take my bike on a rout 66 tour from Riverside to Chi Town..if my wife will let me.
serious question: has Obama done anything better or different than Bush ?
Godfather.
serious answer
not funny.....
where is the same sort of editorial comic about george w bush talking charge of things?????
come on Brother this embody s almost every political figure sense this country decided it needed leaders
ya gotta see the humor in this be it Obama Bush Kennedy or Carter or for that matter adolf hitler too,
we all see political figures differently to hopefully satisfy our own political wants and needs so really their all bitches LOL!!!
health care should not be a basic right for "human beings" because people have to provide the care and they need to go to school, be smart, dedicated and pay THEIR bills.
so should these "human beings" that need care. pay some bills!
this shit does not just fall from the trees ya'll.
I honestly can't figure out what the fuck you're saying here. We live in a country that brags about being the "greatest in the world" and clearly doesn't give a shit about their own people unless they're rich.
health care should not be a basic right for "human beings" because people have to provide the care and they need to go to school, be smart, dedicated and pay THEIR bills.
so should these "human beings" that need care. pay some bills!
this shit does not just fall from the trees ya'll.
How the hell do you tie in paying your bills to getting sick? Do you know that the #1 form of bankruptcy in America is because of mounting health care bills? Here's the thing since you have no feelings or compassion for your fellow man/woman that I will tell you that might be a SHOCKER. That might make you look at health care differently. This is the way Obama should have sold it.
Do you really think that when people are in a dire health situation and go to the doctor/emergency room that they will get turned away if they do not have insurance? Nope they won't, their uninsured self will get treatment, then the bill they can't afford. So, since the hospitals are not turning anyone away. Wouldn't it just make sense to have everyone throw their money in a big pool so we are not paying higher premiums. Done, everyone’s is in, everyone pays then you have a very large group on the government health plan that is so large that they will bring down cost because of their sheer volume.
health care should not be a basic right for "human beings" because people have to provide the care and they need to go to school, be smart, dedicated and pay THEIR bills.
so should these "human beings" that need care. pay some bills!
this shit does not just fall from the trees ya'll.
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You are one pink slip away from losing your health care coverage. One traffic accident away from financial ruin. Married? Have kids? Your wife and kids are one accident from placing you in financial ruin. Can you guarantee yourself that you or someone in your family will never be seriously ill? Never require long term care? If not, can you guarantee that your insurance company will pay the entire amount? Can you guarantee that they will not withhold ongoing payment and promise re-imbursement... as your bills pile up on you?
That's what insurance companies were doing before this legislation passed. Not only did you have to fight the disease... you had to fight the insurance company.
You place much faith in the big insurance companies... is that because you believe they are not in the business of making money and showing earnings... they are in the business of helping people, right?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
the second anyone calls nationalized health care "Obamacare" I know they're probably a racist sore loser.
And that's all I got to say.
(except the guy who started this post also said gay men dress like women and "talk with a swish" so I'll add "homophobic" to the pile o' crap. 'Cuz why not?)
you have some deep rooted issue's don't you...well I don't see how you could not, I am sorry for you.
that's all I got to say.
Godfather.
Yes as most do on here. If your opinions differ than the Obama sycophants either your a racist or a homophobic racist. They live in a bubble and can't think for themselves
the second anyone calls nationalized health care "Obamacare" I know they're probably a racist sore loser.
And that's all I got to say.
(except the guy who started this post also said gay men dress like women and "talk with a swish" so I'll add "homophobic" to the pile o' crap. 'Cuz why not?)
you have some deep rooted issue's don't you...well I don't see how you could not, I am sorry for you.
that's all I got to say.
Godfather.
Yes as most do on here. If your opinions differ than the Obama sycophants either your a racist or a homophobic racist. They live in a bubble and can't think for themselves
Are we talking about the same board here? I would say a large majority of liberals in here give Obama mixed reviews at best.
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You are one pink slip away from losing your health care coverage. One traffic accident away from financial ruin. Your wife and kids are one accident from placing you in financial ruin.
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You are one pink slip away from losing your health care coverage. One traffic accident away from financial ruin. Your wife and kids are one accident from placing you in financial ruin.
No, he's right.
In what is supposed to be the "greatest country in the world," we're living under the sword of Damocles. You never know when a simple accident can ruin your life. I know one guy who came from a poor family... worked his fingers to the bone to put himself through college, got a great job, set himself up as well as possible... did everything right.
Then he was hit by a driver with no liability insurance and he was screwed. Unable to work he lost his insurance, unable to get treatment for his broken bones, he's now disabled and barely able to work. In Canada and most countries in the world, he'd have gotten a simple collarbone surgery and been a productive person again in no time. Now he's nearly bankrupt.
Making fun of people who point out how easy it is to lose everything doesn't help your cause, it just makes you look kinda mean and a bit clueless.
P O D I'm sure there are a lot of racist or a homophobic racist that support the President, I just don't understand picking a group of people and guessing their thoughts on the President, but I also kind thought you were half being funny with your statement.
P O D I'm sure there are a lot of racist or a homophobic racist that support the President, I just don't understand picking a group of people and guessing their thoughts on the President, but I also kind thought you were half being funny with your statement.
Godfather.
Well I was.
But I think it's true. I think if you're a Republican, you're not necessarily a racist or homophobe. But I DO think, and have seen evidence that, if you're a racist and a homophobe... you're probably a Republican.
P O D I'm sure there are a lot of racist or a homophobic racist that support the President, I just don't understand picking a group of people and guessing their thoughts on the President, but I also kind thought you were half being funny with your statement.
Godfather.
Well I was.
But I think it's true. I think if you're a Republican, you're not necessarily a racist or homophobe. But I DO think, and have seen evidence that, if you're a racist and a homophobe... you're probably a Republican.
yea, life is stranger than fiction brother and the best we can do is be the best at heart we can be.
Its funny to see so many people support national health care because they deem it as a human right... You view YOUR health care are a right because your life could be ruined any second, and its societys job to take care of you, Yet.... you have no issues killing an unborn child (taking their Human right to live away) because you should be able to do what you want with your body. Why should people not be able to do what they want with their "body/time" which in turn = money they make. Why should I have to pay for other peoples health care. You are basically making me a salve. You are making me do something against my will (which is your arguement for pro-choice) by paying for other peoples health care and the way I make that money is with my body/brain...
Your well being/health is not a right. Nor should it be.
Its funny to see so many people support national health care because they deem it as a human right... You view YOUR health care are a right because your life could be ruined any second, and its societys job to take care of you, Yet.... you have no issues killing an unborn child (taking their Human right to live away) because you should be able to do what you want with your body. Why should people not be able to do what they want with their "body/time" which in turn = money they make. Why should I have to pay for other peoples health care. You are basically making me a salve. You are making me do something against my will (which is your arguement for pro-choice) by paying for other peoples health care and the way I make that money is with my body/brain...
Your well being/health is not a right. Nor should it be.
For the exact same reasons I find it funny that so many people that are against abortion are against national health care.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
Its funny to see so many people support national health care because they deem it as a human right... You view YOUR health care are a right because your life could be ruined any second, and its societys job to take care of you, Yet.... you have no issues killing an unborn child (taking their Human right to live away) because you should be able to do what you want with your body. Why should people not be able to do what they want with their "body/time" which in turn = money they make. Why should I have to pay for other peoples health care. You are basically making me a salve. You are making me do something against my will (which is your arguement for pro-choice) by paying for other peoples health care and the way I make that money is with my body/brain...
Your well being/health is not a right. Nor should it be.
Too much of a stretch trying to connect your position to abortion.
Our taxes pay into to services for the group as a whole. You don't include healthcare in those services, I do, as do many people in other modernized countries. We don't really do a very good job taking care of each other in the U.S. I'd rather not pay for a bloated military and war, why should I have to?
Its funny to see so many people support national health care because they deem it as a human right... You view YOUR health care are a right because your life could be ruined any second, and its societys job to take care of you, Yet.... you have no issues killing an unborn child (taking their Human right to live away) because you should be able to do what you want with your body. Why should people not be able to do what they want with their "body/time" which in turn = money they make. Why should I have to pay for other peoples health care. You are basically making me a salve. You are making me do something against my will (which is your arguement for pro-choice) by paying for other peoples health care and the way I make that money is with my body/brain...
Your well being/health is not a right. Nor should it be.
Too much of a stretch trying to connect your position to abortion.
Our taxes pay into to services for the group as a whole. You don't include healthcare in those services, I do, as do many people in other modernized countries. We don't really do a very good job taking care of each other in the U.S. I'd rather not pay for a bloated military and war, why should I have to?
Maybe a streach for your brain, but not really...
Its fine to force to me give the results of my brain/body???
And are people here arguing that military is a right???
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And we cannot under estimate the intellect that will attempt to change Wikipedia to say that Paul Revere rode through the streets, firing warning shots and ringing bells shouting, "Hey, you British people... you are not going to take our arms away from us and all that!!! Hey, you British people... you are not going to take our arms away from us and all that!!!".
Those people will seek out that information that agrees with their perspective of truth and reality and present it to the rest of us as fact.
Hail, Hail!!!
Shadowcast: People are not intellectually curious anymore. We are spoonfed mundane, idiotic distractions (TV=the Feelies). yes, Obama failed to clearly explain healthcare reform. I was quite surprised at his failure to communicate healthcare reform to the people.
Cosmo: This--"Those people will seek out that information that agrees with their perspective of truth and reality and present it to the rest of us as fact" is my creed. We are all conditioned since birth, and it is only the very few who are able to realize it and then seek out their own knowledge.
I look at it this way:
We are all born into a prison. An ideological, religious prison. We are told what to think, who to be; we are told what a man is, and how a man is supposed to act; we are told what a woman is and how a woman is supposed to act; we are conditioned to believe in a certain religion, and this is based on the luck of where we were born and the luck of the family we are born into. The list goes on and on. There are children out there who are conditioned/brainwashed into being neo-Nazis. The bottom line is how do we know who we really are or what we really believe when we are brought into an already constructed belief system?
To me there are 4 types of people.
1. Those who see the bars of the prison that they are born into. They see the bars, they recognize the cell, and do everything in their power to escape. Finally, after years, decades, they are able to break through the bars and escape.
2. Those who see the cell and try everything in their power to escape, but eventually fail for a variety of reasons.
3. Those who see the bars and the cell, but are content with their lives and their narrow-minded belief systems that were constructed for them by others.
4. Those who are so narrow-minded, so full of illusions, who do not ever see the bars in form of them, who do not recognize the cell that they are trapped in. And to many, these people are the majority.
No. but if you want to attract good employees and keep them, you better have it. I always negotiate the highest PPO available into my contract.
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I was rather impressed by that too.
The only people we have to blame in this health care mess is ourselves. It's not the government's fault, and it's not the fault of the health insurance providers.
We've let the entities mentionmentioned above very slowly indoctrinate us into a system where we overpay some other entity to make a profit and then pay for our health care. We basically never see or question the cost and we now basically believe that health insurance = health care.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
so should these "human beings" that need care. pay some bills!
this shit does not just fall from the trees ya'll.
serious answer
where is the same sort of editorial comic about george w bush talking charge of things?????
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Godfather.
come on Brother this embody s almost every political figure sense this country decided it needed leaders
ya gotta see the humor in this be it Obama Bush Kennedy or Carter or for that matter adolf hitler too,
we all see political figures differently to hopefully satisfy our own political wants and needs so really their all bitches LOL!!!
Godfather.
I honestly can't figure out what the fuck you're saying here. We live in a country that brags about being the "greatest in the world" and clearly doesn't give a shit about their own people unless they're rich.
It's... well, it's kinda humiliating.
Do you really think that when people are in a dire health situation and go to the doctor/emergency room that they will get turned away if they do not have insurance? Nope they won't, their uninsured self will get treatment, then the bill they can't afford. So, since the hospitals are not turning anyone away. Wouldn't it just make sense to have everyone throw their money in a big pool so we are not paying higher premiums. Done, everyone’s is in, everyone pays then you have a very large group on the government health plan that is so large that they will bring down cost because of their sheer volume.
You are one pink slip away from losing your health care coverage. One traffic accident away from financial ruin. Married? Have kids? Your wife and kids are one accident from placing you in financial ruin. Can you guarantee yourself that you or someone in your family will never be seriously ill? Never require long term care? If not, can you guarantee that your insurance company will pay the entire amount? Can you guarantee that they will not withhold ongoing payment and promise re-imbursement... as your bills pile up on you?
That's what insurance companies were doing before this legislation passed. Not only did you have to fight the disease... you had to fight the insurance company.
You place much faith in the big insurance companies... is that because you believe they are not in the business of making money and showing earnings... they are in the business of helping people, right?
Hail, Hail!!!
Yes as most do on here. If your opinions differ than the Obama sycophants either your a racist or a homophobic racist. They live in a bubble and can't think for themselves
Not necessarily.
But if you're a racist or a homophobic racist, you probably aren't a fan of the President.
strange statement.
Godfather.
Are we talking about the same board here? I would say a large majority of liberals in here give Obama mixed reviews at best.
how so?
No, he's right.
In what is supposed to be the "greatest country in the world," we're living under the sword of Damocles. You never know when a simple accident can ruin your life. I know one guy who came from a poor family... worked his fingers to the bone to put himself through college, got a great job, set himself up as well as possible... did everything right.
Then he was hit by a driver with no liability insurance and he was screwed. Unable to work he lost his insurance, unable to get treatment for his broken bones, he's now disabled and barely able to work. In Canada and most countries in the world, he'd have gotten a simple collarbone surgery and been a productive person again in no time. Now he's nearly bankrupt.
Making fun of people who point out how easy it is to lose everything doesn't help your cause, it just makes you look kinda mean and a bit clueless.
Godfather.
Well I was.
But I think it's true. I think if you're a Republican, you're not necessarily a racist or homophobe. But I DO think, and have seen evidence that, if you're a racist and a homophobe... you're probably a Republican.
yea, life is stranger than fiction brother and the best we can do is be the best at heart we can be.
Godfather.
Your well being/health is not a right. Nor should it be.
For the exact same reasons I find it funny that so many people that are against abortion are against national health care.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
Too much of a stretch trying to connect your position to abortion.
Our taxes pay into to services for the group as a whole. You don't include healthcare in those services, I do, as do many people in other modernized countries. We don't really do a very good job taking care of each other in the U.S. I'd rather not pay for a bloated military and war, why should I have to?
Its fine to force to me give the results of my brain/body???
And are people here arguing that military is a right???