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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    I just remember Bush always stating that those that harbor and support terrorism will be punished, well that is a fine example. These people 'paying their respect' might be tomorrows terrorists, who know they are probably plotting how to bomb London as I type.

    Tell that to the Cubans. You've been protecting Anti-Castro terrorists for years.

    Also, the U.S is the only country to have been formally charged with state terrorism after it's dealings in Nicaragua. You spent 10 years supporting, funding, training, and protecting deaths squads in Latin America who were repsonsible for the murders of hundreds of thousands of people.


    Sorry if that inconvenient fact takes some of the gloss off of your cherished idea of U.S benevolence.
  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    I just remember Bush always stating that those that harbor and support terrorism will be punished, well that is a fine example. These people 'paying their respect' might be tomorrows terrorists, who know they are probably plotting how to bomb London as I type.

    Tell that to the Cubans. You've been protecting Anti-Castro terrorists for years.

    Also, the U.S is the only country to have been formally charged with state terrorism after it's dealings in Nicaragua. You spent 10 years supporting, funding, training, and protecting deaths squads in Latin America who were repsonsible for the murders of hundreds of thousands of people.


    Sorry if that inconvenient fact takes some of the gloss off of your cherished idea of U.S benevolence.

    Why are you using the words "you've" and "you".
    WTF are you on about?
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    I just remember Bush always stating that those that harbor and support terrorism will be punished, well that is a fine example. These people 'paying their respect' might be tomorrows terrorists, who know they are probably plotting how to bomb London as I type.

    Tell that to the Cubans. You've been protecting Anti-Castro terrorists for years.

    Also, the U.S is the only country to have been formally charged with state terrorism after it's dealings in Nicaragua. You spent 10 years supporting, funding, training, and protecting deaths squads in Latin America who were repsonsible for the murders of hundreds of thousands of people.


    Sorry if that inconvenient fact takes some of the gloss off of your cherished idea of U.S benevolence.

    Why are you using the words "you've" and "you".
    WTF are you on about?

    O.k, I should have said 'The U.S government...'
  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    Can't you see under my avatar where I am from?.....
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    Can't you see under my avatar where I am from?.....

    I've seen it now ;)
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    Can't you see under my avatar where I am from?.....

    I've seen it now ;)

    and you are from china and spend a lot of your time on the train ragging on America,do you plan on ever living here.?


    Godfather.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,117
    Godfather. wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    Can't you see under my avatar where I am from?.....

    I've seen it now ;)

    and you are from china and spend a lot of your time on the train ragging on America,do you plan on ever living here.?


    Godfather.
    what does that even matter? if i lived elsewhere my opinions of the us would be the same.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Gimmi; I was just courious but sense you asked, I worked with a old guy once who used to say
    "if you want to be part of the sulition that's great but if not then be quite"
    point is anybody can complain but what are they doing to help solve the problem ?
    are they voicing their opinions to the right people ?
    do they position them selfs to help make effictive change ? we always complain about politions
    (myself included :mrgreen: ) but as far as we get to making an honest effort voting is it for the
    most of us and the people that step up to the plate get knocked down for trying to help.
    as I have said in the past America my not be perfect but it's one of the best places to live in the world.

    Godfather.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Godfather. wrote:
    as I have said in the past America my not be perfect but it's one of the best places to live in the world.

    Godfather.
    Where else have you lived ('properly' lived, ie worked, etc. for any length of time)?
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Godfather. wrote:
    Gimmi; I was just courious but sense you asked, I worked with a old guy once who used to say
    "if you want to be part of the sulition that's great but if not then be quite"
    point is anybody can complain but what are they doing to help solve the problem ?
    are they voicing their opinions to the right people ?
    do they position them selfs to help make effictive change ? we always complain about politions
    (myself included :mrgreen: ) but as far as we get to making an honest effort voting is it for the
    most of us and the people that step up to the plate get knocked down for trying to help.
    as I have said in the past America my not be perfect but it's one of the best places to live in the world.

    Godfather.

    I think you make a good point with the part I bolded, but I think this is applicable to the whole Train, not just those who live in other countries. When it comes to Byrnzie in particular, I'd say he's more a part of the solution than half the people here. I know I have learned a lot from his educated, fact-based, well-thought-out posts. He may not be able to vote here, but educating those who can is a huge part of the solution.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,117
    _ wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    Gimmi; I was just courious but sense you asked, I worked with a old guy once who used to say
    "if you want to be part of the sulition that's great but if not then be quite"
    point is anybody can complain but what are they doing to help solve the problem ?
    are they voicing their opinions to the right people ?
    do they position them selfs to help make effictive change ? we always complain about politions
    (myself included :mrgreen: ) but as far as we get to making an honest effort voting is it for the
    most of us and the people that step up to the plate get knocked down for trying to help.
    as I have said in the past America my not be perfect but it's one of the best places to live in the world.

    Godfather.

    I think you make a good point with the part I bolded, but I think this is applicable to the whole Train, not just those who live in other countries. When it comes to Byrnzie in particular, I'd say he's more a part of the solution than half the people here. I know I have learned a lot from his educated, fact-based, well-thought-out posts. He may not be able to vote here, but educating those who can is a huge part of the solution.
    i agree with what Godfather stated and what _ bolded too. i think being part of the solution is asking serious questions about things that actually matter and not wasting time on things that are made issues for the sake of distraction. being part of the solution is bringing things to people's attention, especially things that criticize their government and challenge their way of thinking. i think that all of us have a certain level of comfort, and when someone presents us with things we have never thought before or things that we might not agree with we are taken aback by it. it is natural instinct to get offended by new ideas that we might not agree with, but i do know that being presented with those things actually furthers the discussion instead of hindering it. and we all know that change does not just happen, it is made to happen, and a stupid population is an easily controlled population. i am thankful for all of the posters on here from outside the US and for their opinions and for their contributions here. i believe that has made me a better, more intelligent, more critical, and more well rounded person. i have learned a lot from many of them. and i think everyone else would if they were not so sensitive to criticism of their country or their country's policies.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    not so sensitive to criticism of their country or their country's policies.

    Some people just have an ability to discuss hot topics in a manner that informs without attacking, and some don't. I'm not surprised by many of the responses.

    I've certainly learned a lot here...but it could be a lot less "painful" at times. ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    _ wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    Gimmi; I was just courious but sense you asked, I worked with a old guy once who used to say
    "if you want to be part of the sulition that's great but if not then be quite"
    point is anybody can complain but what are they doing to help solve the problem ?
    are they voicing their opinions to the right people ?
    do they position them selfs to help make effictive change ? we always complain about politions
    (myself included :mrgreen: ) but as far as we get to making an honest effort voting is it for the
    most of us and the people that step up to the plate get knocked down for trying to help.
    as I have said in the past America my not be perfect but it's one of the best places to live in the world.

    Godfather.

    I think you make a good point with the part I bolded, but I think this is applicable to the whole Train, not just those who live in other countries. When it comes to Byrnzie in particular, I'd say he's more a part of the solution than half the people here. I know I have learned a lot from his educated, fact-based, well-thought-out posts. He may not be able to vote here, but educating those who can is a huge part of the solution.
    i agree with what Godfather stated and what _ bolded too. i think being part of the solution is asking serious questions about things that actually matter and not wasting time on things that are made issues for the sake of distraction. being part of the solution is bringing things to people's attention, especially things that criticize their government and challenge their way of thinking. i think that all of us have a certain level of comfort, and when someone presents us with things we have never thought before or things that we might not agree with we are taken aback by it. it is natural instinct to get offended by new ideas that we might not agree with, but i do know that being presented with those things actually furthers the discussion instead of hindering it. and we all know that change does not just happen, it is made to happen, and a stupid population is an easily controlled population. i am thankful for all of the posters on here from outside the US and for their opinions and for their contributions here. i believe that has made me a better, more intelligent, more critical, and more well rounded person. i have learned a lot from many of them. and i think everyone else would if they were not so sensitive to criticism of their country or their country's policies.

    "and i think everyone else would if they were not so sensitive to criticism of their country or their country's policies."........whoooo meeee ? :mrgreen:

    it's a learning process you'll have to give me a little more time. :lol:
    my way of thinking has changed a bit sense I have been on the train, there are some good people with great ideas and views,ones A lot different than I grew up with for sure so I learn a little from people on the train..a little at a time but it dosn't matter what I have learned or come to understand,talking down my country is a sore spot with me.
    as I have said before our country is very new compared to most other countrys yet in the few years this country has been around we have become a world power that also helps countrys less fortunate (money food medical supplys etc.) and all things concidered we have it pretty damn good here so as intelligent as Byrnzie is or as right as he may be one of the last things I wan't to hear is somebody from another country bashing the USA (don't get me wrong Byrnzie I respect your knoledge I just don't like USA bashing).

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    redrock wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    as I have said in the past America my not be perfect but it's one of the best places to live in the world.

    Godfather.
    Where else have you lived ('properly' lived, ie worked, etc. for any length of time)?

    only Mexico and just for 6+ months, why do you ask ?

    Godfather.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Godfather. wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    as I have said in the past America my not be perfect but it's one of the best places to live in the world.

    Godfather.
    Where else have you lived ('properly' lived, ie worked, etc. for any length of time)?

    only Mexico and just for 6+ months, why do you ask ?

    Godfather.

    Just wondering what you had to compare to as you are stating the US is one of the best countries to live in. Wondering if it was from personal experiences or just from what you see on TV/read. Nothing more.
  • butterjam
    butterjam Posts: 221
    Well put Gimmie. For me, one of the most important things is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I believe a lot of problems set in when someone finds a piece of information that fits their particular agenda and reports it as fact. For me, doing this just makes someone lose credibility.

    Sure criticism is good, but you have to look at where and who its coming from. I enjoy hearing other people's perspective on things, not their agenda. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,117
    Godfather. wrote:
    "and i think everyone else would if they were not so sensitive to criticism of their country or their country's policies."........whoooo meeee ? :mrgreen:

    it's a learning process you'll have to give me a little more time. :lol:
    my way of thinking has changed a bit sense I have been on the train, there are some good people with great ideas and views,ones A lot different than I grew up with for sure so I learn a little from people on the train..a little at a time but it dosn't matter what I have learned or come to understand,talking down my country is a sore spot with me.
    as I have said before our country is very new compared to most other countrys yet in the few years this country has been around we have become a world power that also helps countrys less fortunate (money food medical supplys etc.) and all things concidered we have it pretty damn good here so as intelligent as Byrnzie is or as right as he may be one of the last things I wan't to hear is somebody from another country bashing the USA (don't get me wrong Byrnzie I respect your knoledge I just don't like USA bashing).

    Godfather.
    no that was not directed at you specifically G/F. you have done a good job with being open to new ideas and you have shown a great willingness to read up on what people post here, and that is very worthy of respect. a lot of people do not do that. looking back at some of your old posts when you first started out over here you have definitely expanded your way of thinking and applied your ability to see both sides on most of these issues that we talk about on here, and i think that is really cool.

    i know that you hate "usa bashing", but i do not view it as bashing, i expect my country to be what it claims to be, a beacon for the rest of the world but it makes it very hard to view it as such in light of everything that we have done and continue to do policywise. i have greater expectations of america. a lot of times i am let down by her, but sometimes she surprises me :mrgreen:
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,961
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... istan-deal
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    Kat wrote:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/osama-bin-laden-us-pakistan-deal
    Hmm ... some noted authors may have to reconsider their initial assessments on the raid.

    Well, the mission was still risky. Had Pakistan seen the helicopters on their radar, they probably would have shot them down.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,117
    Kat wrote:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/osama-bin-laden-us-pakistan-deal
    this is definitely an interesting twist on things. sounds like typical cia black ops with the pakistanis feigning anger at the raid. this should be front page news in the US, and across the world.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."

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