"GET YOUR GOVERNMENT HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE!!!"

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    Jason P wrote:
    If they are good things, let them be voted on and approved separately. Why hide them in a different agenda?

    Much like term limits, earmarks are an issue that lawmakers want to avoid because ending earmarks takes away a very important fundraising and power-expanding tool.

    In regards to the earmarks not amounting to much of our budget, that is true considering how out of control our spending budget is. But earmarks still average $20-$30B each year.
    it is a small drop in the bucket when compared with what we spend on war, occupation, and defense. that money needs to be spent on other things, like medicare and universal health insurance.

    earmarks will never ever be eliminated. they are too important to states that can't afford things like highway and road maintenence and care. and a senator or rep who fails to bring money to their state for these projects typically does not stay a senator or rep for long...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    If they are good things, let them be voted on and approved separately. Why hide them in a different agenda?

    Much like term limits, earmarks are an issue that lawmakers want to avoid because ending earmarks takes away a very important fundraising and power-expanding tool.

    In regards to the earmarks not amounting to much of our budget, that is true considering how out of control our spending budget is. But earmarks still average $20-$30B each year.
    it is a small drop in the bucket when compared with what we spend on war, occupation, and defense. that money needs to be spent on other things, like medicare and universal health insurance.

    earmarks will never ever be eliminated. they are too important to states that can't afford things like highway and road maintenence and care. and a senator or rep who fails to bring money to their state for these projects typically does not stay a senator or rep for long...
    It's a small drop in the bucket, but we need to start with small drops in order to make progress. The big drops (healthcare, defense, etc) appear to be in political gridlock.

    If a state project is that important, the states should be addressing it. If a senator from Connecticut decides to fund a water taxi service to an abandoned island for $1.9M, I don't think they should just be able to write it into a bill and basically steal the money. With earmarks, it's easy for them to do.

    Earmarks in theory should be good. In reality, they are just one more tool of corruption.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    i don't know how the thread got derailed by talking about earmarks, but i read yesterday that people are going to start interrupting townhall meetings of gop and tea party reps to hold them accountable. we will see how they like it i guess...i saw a nice video of paul ryan being booed by old people in his jurisdiction. it was a civil exchange, and pointed, good questions were asked, yet when he gave a squirly response they called him on it.

    i will never understand how poor and elderly can and will continue to vote for the gop. it is like they vote for these people only so that they can be bent over that much further...

    it is still my opinion that the people are outraged when they don't need to be and when they need to be they are asleep at the switch.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    I think what this thread leads to is something I read (couldn't find it again, unfortunately) that stated a contradiction that many right wing people show by their words and actions: They are against big government accept when they're not. An example of this is a guy I know who rails against big government and yet he retired in his early 50's and earns as much money from his retirement bennefits as he made while working. Where does his retirement check come from? The U.S. Treasury. :?
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    brianlux wrote:
    I think what this thread leads to is something I read (couldn't find it again, unfortunately) that stated a contradiction that many right wing people show by their words and actions: They are against big government accept when they're not. An example of this is a guy I know who rails against big government and yet he retired in his early 50's and earns as much money from his retirement bennefits as he made while working. Where does his retirement check come from? The U.S. Treasury. :?
    these people's rationale drips with contradiction and irony. i think you are right where you said they are against big government except for when they aren't. your friend should be opposed to his own pension and give it back if he is against big government. funny thing is if you suggest that to him he will probably punch you in the nose. i wonder what he feels about the pension and union issues in wisconsin, ohio, and indiana...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    aerial wrote:
    People did not like the fact that they did not know what was in the bill. Everyone has to agree our representatives should read the bills before they pass them. What the people want are honest representatives that represent Americans, and bills that have NO earmarks.
    ...
    If 'The People' want are "honest representatives that represent Americans, and bills that have NO earmarks'... then WHY to 'The People' keep voting in the SAME FUCKING POLITICIANS???
    I'll tell you why... because some people wil only vote for a person with a (D) or an (R) next to their name. And if they recognize that name and it has the correct letter next to their name... they vote for them.
    Politicians don't give themselves their jobs... 'The People' do.
    Also... the House and Senate Bills are available for YOU to read (ref. http://thomas.loc.gov/)... try reading them yourself, if they are that important to you.
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  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Jason P wrote:
    But earmarks still average $20-$30B each year.

    shit, that's only 2 weeks cost of war in Afganistan alone :o
  • Newch91
    Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    I want to know where are the jobs the Republicans/Tea Bag party were talking about last year.
    Shows: 6.27.08 Hartford, CT/5.15.10 Hartford, CT/6.18.2011 Hartford, CT (EV Solo)/10.19.13 Brooklyn/10.25.13 Hartford
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  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    last i checked Obama was in charge
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    Newch91 wrote:
    I want to know where are the jobs the Republicans/Tea Bag party were talking about last year.
    i want to know that as well.

    wouldn't cutting funding for some of these government programs actually cut or destroy jobs instead of creating them?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Newch91
    Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Newch91 wrote:
    I want to know where are the jobs the Republicans/Tea Bag party were talking about last year.
    i want to know that as well.

    wouldn't cutting funding for some of these government programs actually cut or destroy jobs instead of creating them?
    I believe so. It's been almost four months since they took over Congress and haven't heard anything about creating jobs; just Paul Ryan's "cutting the rich taxes and Medicare and Medicaid death plan."

    It sucks being in college and having no job. Even if I get a job for the summer, I'll be happy that I'm making some money. If the job wants to keep me while I'm at the school branch for now, I'll be happy with that.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Newch91 wrote:
    I want to know where are the jobs the Republicans/Tea Bag party were talking about last year.
    i want to know that as well.

    wouldn't cutting funding for some of these government programs actually cut or destroy jobs instead of creating them?
    ...
    Sort of like 'Letting GM and Chrysler Fail'.
    Yeah... that would have shown those Auto Maker CEOs... they wouldn't have pirated the union pensions of the workers and retired to the Hamptons... would they?
    And that is just what this country needs... thousands upon thousands of unemployed workers because we like having a large number of Americans out of work, don't we.
    ...
    Tea Partiers may have good intentions... but, man. Sometimes... they just need to think... just a little... before they spew partisan political bullshit.
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  • Newch91
    Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    Did anyone see where our tax money is going to?

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/18/ ... index.html
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  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    you're in college and don't pay shit for taxes. you are not allowed to call it "our tax money"
    ;)
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    you're in college and don't pay shit for taxes. you are not allowed to call it "our tax money"
    ;)
    he pays sales tax when he purchases things...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    edited April 2011
    i figured i would get a
    "certified" brain child response to that.
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    wouldn't cutting funding for some of these government programs actually cut or destroy jobs instead of creating them?

    sorry pal, gubment can't create real jobs. they can only provide an environment conducive to job creation. Since our President never had a fucking real job, he knows shit about it. So here we are. The people that have power to create jobs, they are on the sidelines waiting for the shit show to pass. Meanwhile, those on the left are trying to spend everyone else's hard earned and paid tax dollars as if they were their own. See four posts above. I know I am in the left wing nuthouse so it's all good.

    Carry on.
    Post edited by usamamasan1 on
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    i figured i would get a
    "certified" brain child response to that.
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    wouldn't cutting funding for some of these government programs actually cut or destroy jobs instead of creating them?

    sorry pal, gubment can't create real jobs. they can only provide an environment conducive to job creation. Since our President never had a fucking real job, he knows shit about it. So here we are. The people that have power to create jobs, they are on the sidelines waiting for the shit show to pass. Meanwhile, those on the left are trying to spend everyone else's hard earned and paid tax dollars as if they were their own. See four posts above. I know I am in the left wing nuthouse so it's all good.

    Carry on.
    "i figured i would get a
    "certified" brain child response to that."     :?: :?: :?: what is that supposed to mean?

    as far as the rest of your post, it sounds like some email from tea party express or something, or talking points on right wing radio.
    the government does create jobs. what about the military? police officers/firefighters/emts? highway/roadworkers? sewer district workers? prison guards? i think you get my point. the government does add these jobs, and if they cut these jobs they are eliminating jobs....to say that the government can not create jobs is ludicrous.

    and here is a link to obama's jobs since college. i don't know what kind of "real job" you do, but i would consider every one of these a "real job".

    http://www.freebase.com/view/en/barack_ ... nt_history
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    i figured i would get a
    "certified" brain child response to that.
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    wouldn't cutting funding for some of these government programs actually cut or destroy jobs instead of creating them?

    sorry pal, gubment can't create real jobs. they can only provide an environment conducive to job creation. Since our President never had a fucking real job, he knows shit about it. So here we are. The people that have power to create jobs, they are on the sidelines waiting for the shit show to pass. Meanwhile, those on the left are trying to spend everyone else's hard earned and paid tax dollars as if they were their own. See four posts above. I know I am in the left wing nuthouse so it's all good.

    Carry on.
    "i figured i would get a
    "certified" brain child response to that."     :?: :?: :?: what is that supposed to mean?

    as far as the rest of your post, it sounds like some email from tea party express or something, or talking points on right wing radio.
    the government does create jobs. what about the military? police officers/firefighters/emts? highway/roadworkers? sewer district workers? prison guards? i think you get my point. the government does add these jobs, and if they cut these jobs they are eliminating jobs....to say that the government can not create jobs is ludicrous.

    and here is a link to obama's jobs since college. i don't know what kind of "real job" you do, but i would consider every one of these a "real job".

    http://www.freebase.com/view/en/barack_ ... nt_history

    he may have been referring to the fact that government cannot create real wealth, which is a job creator...the government employs people, but without the private sector creating wealth there would be no way to fund those employees and the programs they work for...I find it interesting when people say the government can or cannot create jobs, technically both are true if you dig hard enough...But without the private industry first creating wealth the public employees would not be able to exist
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  • Chip McFlennigan
    Chip McFlennigan Posts: 1,162
    u raciss
    I knew it all along, see?
  • cajunkiwi
    cajunkiwi Posts: 984
    aerial wrote:
    People did not like the fact that they did not know what was in the bill. Everyone has to agree our representatives should read the bills before they pass them. What the people want are honest representatives that represent Americans, and bills that have NO earmarks.

    Isn't it up to the people to educate themselves regarding what is/isn't in a bill? They're posted online for anyone to read. Sadly, the media - who should play a role in educating people by presenting the facts in a black and white manner - drops the ball here. Some Fox commentators were only too happy to continue the Death Panels debate instead of shutting it down.

    I'm totally with you about politicians reading bills though. It stuns me that they'll just walk into a chamber and vote on something they haven't read. Here in Louisiana we had politicians try and reverse a bill they voted on because they didn't read it before they voted "yes," and when they did get around to reading it they found they didn't like it.

    :sick: :thumbdown: :wtf:
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.

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