"GET YOUR GOVERNMENT HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE!!!"
gimmesometruth27
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i remember a litle over a year ago when the elderly and members of the tea party were bringing guns to town hall meetings and interrupting the proceedings during the health insurance reform debate and they would stand up and yell and scream things like "don't touch my medicare" and "get your government hands off of my medicare" because they did not want anything in those programs to change or be cut. medicare and medicaid funding and benefits were never even threatened during that debate. fast forward to april 2011, Paul Ryan's budget proposal is going to do just that, SLASH MEDICARE BENEFITS.
my question for those same protestors and for the tea partiers who wanted to preserve medicare is this:
WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE NOW THAT YOUR MEDICARE IS ACTUALLY IN JEOPARDY OF BEING SLASHED????
WHERE ARE THE PROTESTORS NOW???
WHERE IS ALL OF THE YELLING AND MOANING NOW??
my theory remains that these people are so blinded by their partisanship that if any president other than obama suggested these changes they would have gotten behind it. but since it was obama's initiative they opposed it just to oppose it just because it was obama and not mccain.
all i am asking is that these peope at least be consistent with whatever their positions are on the issues. they were against touching medicare before, now when it is most likely going to be cut there is not peep....interesting...
my question for those same protestors and for the tea partiers who wanted to preserve medicare is this:
WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE NOW THAT YOUR MEDICARE IS ACTUALLY IN JEOPARDY OF BEING SLASHED????
WHERE ARE THE PROTESTORS NOW???
WHERE IS ALL OF THE YELLING AND MOANING NOW??
my theory remains that these people are so blinded by their partisanship that if any president other than obama suggested these changes they would have gotten behind it. but since it was obama's initiative they opposed it just to oppose it just because it was obama and not mccain.
all i am asking is that these peope at least be consistent with whatever their positions are on the issues. they were against touching medicare before, now when it is most likely going to be cut there is not peep....interesting...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
for what? 1/5 less debt?
Politics is all a big joke.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
we want the troops home for many reasons. bringing troops home would not have negative affects on the troops. if anything, it would save their lives and get them out of that hellhole. not to mention bringing them home would decrease that government spending everyone is bitching about now. and also, some of us are morally opposed to what we are doing over there so we want them home for that reason as well.
this is completely different.
these people were complaining because they felt that their own entitlement program was going to be threatened when they were debating legislation to streamline the insurance industry and outline what insurance companies could and could not do, (ie: withhold coverage for pre-existing conditions, drop you if you get sick, gouge you on your premiums, not cover standard tests, take your child off of your insurance at age 20, etc...) these changes were to give insurance to millions more people AND not touch medicare. they were bitching that their benefits were going to be cut, which they weren't, and were OUTRAGED about it. now that they most likely will be cut, there is silence. it does not make any sense.
so the moral of the post is:
bringing troops home now benefits everyone.
cutting medicare screws a lot of people.
not the same thing, not even close...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I think know1 was referring to how much outrage there was over the wars when Bush was in office and now not so much....at least that is how I took it.
Issue of the day...that is the best way to describe american politics...
you are right, people should try the best they can to reconcile their beliefs, but I think we all realize that it is not possible to be 100% consistent across the board...the best someone can do is try...I do my best to be consistent but unfortunately personally held beliefs and the idea of government are not that easily separated for most people...
A year from now something new will be on the main stage and people will decide what side they want to be on.
I have long thought that if one of the political parties came out and said something as simple as we are for the handicapped, the other party would come out and say that they hate the handicapped and they need to go...they consistantly have to pick the other side of the issue and until we get over the idea of two party politics these strange seemingly oppositional positions will be held...in fact that is the biggest barrier to the libertarians gaining mainstream support...not enough contradiction.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
how can people who were scared of losing benefits fight tooth and nail against a boogeyman who was not going to take away benefits in the first place, yet seemingly go along with the plan to cut those benefits a year later? i know 5 year olds who are more able to grasp this lunacy than most of those who were against this before they are seemingly for it.
but old people get senile, so they don't know what they are arguing and yelling about, right?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
well as we both know the Republican resistance machine is very strong. I think the lack of outrage stems from the fact that nothing is changing for the people who are on it now.
but yes, adults in politics could learn a lot from 5 year olds
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
because they are not being told to be angry. fox wants voters to be stupid and ignorant of the facts. it is easy to control a popiation that does not know the facts, and a population that is scared of a boogeyman that does not exist. so much so that when there is a real boogeyman the people will not believe it...
before it was "obama care is bad and a threat to democracy and he is gonna take your medicare away" and fox news told this to their audience day after day. now fox is not riling up the base about their medicare reductions, rather they are harping about deficits. are old people angry when they are told they will lose benefits, which was an out and out lie, and now are they being told that cutting medicare is good for them to get the country out of debt? it just does not make sense...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
You mean the same Fox news who said that it was "socialist" when Obama suggested that CEO pay be limited to $500,000/year, but were totally in favor of what Scott Walker did in Wisconsin by stripping collective bargaining rights of public employees so that they can lower the deficit.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
I'm all for family, but honestly if anyone tried to make me watch anything as bad as Fox news i would avoid the visit and join him for dinner at a restaurant or something. yes i hate fox news THAT much
I'm all for family, but honestly if anyone tried to make me watch anything as bad as Fox news i would avoid the visit and join him for dinner at a restaurant or something. yes i hate fox news THAT much[/quote]
The worst part is he loves his Glen Beck. Gives me a good reason to nap.
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
there was outrage when people thought their medicare was going to be cut. that outrage was proven to be unfounded. now they are being told their medicare is being cut, and there is no outrage, not even a peep...it is amazing how people will be so agreeable to things that are against their own interests...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
some earmarks are a good thing. Some earmarks lead to your state getting money for road construction and funds to help build new airports and convenient things that states need. Also, earmarks make up barely any of our spending and will not fix any budget problems.
Much like term limits, earmarks are an issue that lawmakers want to avoid because ending earmarks takes away a very important fundraising and power-expanding tool.
In regards to the earmarks not amounting to much of our budget, that is true considering how out of control our spending budget is. But earmarks still average $20-$30B each year.
earmarks will never ever be eliminated. they are too important to states that can't afford things like highway and road maintenence and care. and a senator or rep who fails to bring money to their state for these projects typically does not stay a senator or rep for long...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
If a state project is that important, the states should be addressing it. If a senator from Connecticut decides to fund a water taxi service to an abandoned island for $1.9M, I don't think they should just be able to write it into a bill and basically steal the money. With earmarks, it's easy for them to do.
Earmarks in theory should be good. In reality, they are just one more tool of corruption.
i will never understand how poor and elderly can and will continue to vote for the gop. it is like they vote for these people only so that they can be bent over that much further...
it is still my opinion that the people are outraged when they don't need to be and when they need to be they are asleep at the switch.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
If 'The People' want are "honest representatives that represent Americans, and bills that have NO earmarks'... then WHY to 'The People' keep voting in the SAME FUCKING POLITICIANS???
I'll tell you why... because some people wil only vote for a person with a (D) or an (R) next to their name. And if they recognize that name and it has the correct letter next to their name... they vote for them.
Politicians don't give themselves their jobs... 'The People' do.
Also... the House and Senate Bills are available for YOU to read (ref. http://thomas.loc.gov/)... try reading them yourself, if they are that important to you.
Hail, Hail!!!
shit, that's only 2 weeks cost of war in Afganistan alone
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
wouldn't cutting funding for some of these government programs actually cut or destroy jobs instead of creating them?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."