Drumming on the Orpheum Theater show...

Kanye EastKanye East Posts: 763
edited April 2011 in The Porch
Anyone else notice how awesome the drums are for that show? Wow!

I'm a huge Matt Cameron fan, but I think Abbruzzese is better.

Please dont crush me :D
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  • SpokenSpoken Posts: 1,388
    Every PJ drummer is so unique....
    It really is interesting to hear how the sound changes between each guy...
  • Kanye EastKanye East Posts: 763
    Spoken wrote:
    Every PJ drummer is so unique....
    It really is interesting to hear how the sound changes between each guy...

    Thats very true. Maybe its just the fact that I'm hearing the drums played a different way. But it seems like there's more going on, and the snare sounds different than Cameron's
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  • SpokenSpoken Posts: 1,388
    By the way-
    I got hooked to PJ in '94 when I heard the Atlanta show for the first time...
    You won't hear me complain about Dave A...
  • evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,529
    Matt is pretty boring to my ears; give me a Dave A. show any day.
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  • Red LukinRed Lukin CanadaPosts: 2,795
    Matt's a great drummer, but Dave's got this great feel about him that's amazing. Even watching the MTV acoustic set blows me away :shock:
  • petersm69petersm69 Posts: 43
    Red Lukin wrote:
    Even watching the MTV acoustic set blows me away :shock:

    The first time i watched the MTV unplugged show my respect doubled for him. In my opinion he's PJ's best. No offence Matty
  • Dave A. for sure. His sound was so much fuller, and his intensity was incredible. I would say Matt is a better technical drummer as far musicianship goes.
  • They are both pretty technical. Dave has amazing cymbal work. The Orpheum show is a good example.
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  • RedMosquito02RedMosquito02 Posts: 2,559
    Kanye East wrote:
    Anyone else notice how awesome the drums are for that show? Wow!

    I'm a huge Matt Cameron fan, but I think Abbruzzese is better.

    Please dont crush me :D

    ...and to think he was fired within a week of this performance.

    But cha gots to do whats you gots to do :D
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  • Indifference71Indifference71 ChicagoPosts: 13,279
    Kanye East wrote:
    Anyone else notice how awesome the drums are for that show? Wow!

    I'm a huge Matt Cameron fan, but I think Abbruzzese is better.

    Please dont crush me :D


    The drums are fucking amazing on that show! I can't stop listening to that boot...
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  • Edrock78Edrock78 Posts: 165
    Kanye East wrote:
    Anyone else notice how awesome the drums are for that show? Wow!

    I'm a huge Matt Cameron fan, but I think Abbruzzese is better.

    Please dont crush me :D

    ...and to think he was fired within a week of this performance.

    But cha gots to do whats you gots to do :D
    He was actually fired in August.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,721
    Dave played with great style, a bit of funk, and a LOT of contrast. Going from very tight hi-hat and slowly loosening it, then exploding. He also timed his cymbal hits to the guitar changes. Drums were perfectly intertwined with the guitars / Guitars were perfectly intertwined with the drums. It was very symbiotic.

    Listen to Evenflow... a song we all know well. Listen to Dave play it and listen to how it is played by any other drummer. You could do this comparison for pretty much every song Dave played. There's a big difference to be noticed.
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  • RedMosquito02RedMosquito02 Posts: 2,559
    Edrock78 wrote:
    Kanye East wrote:
    Anyone else notice how awesome the drums are for that show? Wow!

    I'm a huge Matt Cameron fan, but I think Abbruzzese is better.

    Please dont crush me :D

    ...and to think he was fired within a week of this performance.

    But cha gots to do whats you gots to do :D
    He was actually fired in August.

    My bad :roll:
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  • BB29347BB29347 Posts: 26
    Depends on the song IMO, EG I much prefer RVM with Matt. Listen to the breakdown in RVM on the Orpheum show with Dave - he just kind of plays along repeating the same little pattern over and over.

    It's also a matter of taste. To me Dave's cymbal use gets a bit tiresome in a live show.
  • Orpheum boot is great. Daves drumming is in your face, but IMO immortality just doesn't sound good live with him on drums
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  • ckokeckoke Posts: 63
    My girlfriend and I just received the deluxe box-set, and listened to the Orpheum Theater show Saturday night on vinyl. WOW!!!!!!!! :D

    Back at that time, Pearl Jam was leaps and bounds above every band out there live on stage and in the studio, even over my favorite band, Soundgarden.

    Without a doubt, Pearl Jam was at their best as a unit in the early 90s ('91 to' 94) with Dave Abbruzzese behind the drum-kit. Lots of PJ fans are kidding themselves if they believe otherwise; just listen to the following shows:

    Live at the Orpheum Theater
    The Drop at the Park
    The Fox Theater

    Explosive!!!!!

    When you really look at the entire history of Pearl Jam, Dave A. brought out that special edge to their sound (Neil Peart-like) more effectively than the other great PJ drummers (Cameron, Krusen, Chamberlain, and Irons.)

    We loved the the Orpheum show!!!!
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  • CJMST3K wrote:
    Dave played with great style, a bit of funk, and a LOT of contrast. Going from very tight hi-hat and slowly loosening it, then exploding. He also timed his cymbal hits to the guitar changes. Drums were perfectly intertwined with the guitars / Guitars were perfectly intertwined with the drums. It was very symbiotic.

    Listen to Evenflow... a song we all know well. Listen to Dave play it and listen to how it is played by any other drummer. You could do this comparison for pretty much every song Dave played. There's a big difference to be noticed.


    Totally agree, Dave A is much more a detailed oriented type of drummer; a small symbol crash hear, a bass drum there. Some of the songs, particularly Even Flow, used to be played at their proper tempos, so maybe Dave had time to do things in between the next vocal line . . .
    the Daughter from this show really illustrates his knack for throwing in different beats; to me Cameron is great, but he seems to gloss over things, to me his playing is more generic; he's got a great and forceful roll that he uses many times from verse to chorus (funny back in the early 90's drummers used to be criticized for that and having a big drum kit- post punk, so-called grunge thing) . . . but I grew up with Dave A. Thats the band I fell for . . .
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  • gndcd402gndcd402 Posts: 2,550
    dave had so much more going on and totally knew how to groove much better than matt. my favorite two performances by dave are these:

    atlanta 94 porch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xbV0IG51g
    vegas 93 tremor christ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAHmpnncmT8
  • BB29347BB29347 Posts: 26
    ckoke wrote:
    (Neil Peart-like)
    :shock:
    a small symbol crash hear
    Dave may have been good, but there were no small cymbal crashes "here and there". They were everywhere :lol:
  • Soulfire42Soulfire42 Posts: 404
    I really do love the older drumming from Dave (in fact, both Daves). I think that while Eddie may have had some issues with him personally, I think those issues would largely be irrelevant to modern Eddie. It's a damn shame PJ lost him and I say that without intending the slightest disrespect to their other drummers. I just think Dave was magic with PJ. I'm one who is hoping that both parties get over any lingering differences and see fit to jam out some music together for the 20th.
  • gndcd402 wrote:
    dave had so much more going on and totally knew how to groove much better than matt. my favorite two performances by dave are these:

    atlanta 94 porch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xbV0IG51g
    vegas 93 tremor christ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAHmpnncmT8


    Whoa!!! Thanks for posting those . . .

    vegas 93 w/ Dave temor christ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAHmpnncmT8
    Japan 95 w/ Jack temor christ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L00xXKL ... re=related
    Italy 2006 w/ Matt tremor christ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3ODLhFj ... re=related

    Interesting to watch/listen to each Tremor Christ in a row starting with 93 . . . Poor Jack has hardly anything to hit, his drum kit is 1/3 of Dave and Matt's. :o
    Oh man, that Vegas 93 w/ dave sounds sooo good.

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  • EraserheadEraserhead Stoke-on-TrentPosts: 2,622
    The drumming is amazing on the boot - shame it's not the full show!

    Love the Rats/Blood/Release ending to the main set.
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  • clashmanclashman Posts: 318
    yeah, too much cymbals! but he had a great feeling, and i like his drum sound.
  • twojawastwojawas Posts: 318
    Kanye East wrote:
    Anyone else notice how awesome the drums are for that show? Wow!

    I'm a huge Matt Cameron fan, but I think Abbruzzese is better.

    Please dont crush me :D

    The drums were the first thing that stood out for me on this album. Absolutely amazing. This is fast becoming my favourite live PJ recording.
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  • PhilippHPhilippH Posts: 85
    hello.

    dave is the sh**t!!! i love his drumming, he is a hard hitter and plays along with the guitar, so unique! cymbal-wise he is outstanding - timing is terrific. i love the unplugged drumming too, he plays as it is his last time on stage - like i said a hard hitter!!! :)

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  • Kanye EastKanye East Posts: 763
    I guess I'm not the only one who feels this way
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  • jets521jets521 Posts: 743
    if Dave A. was the best drummer PJ ever had.......then why was he fired? :lol:
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  • MW3384MW3384 Posts: 117
    I forgot what some of the songs sounded like with Dave. I agree he was the best all around drummer for the time but Ed hated him and what Ed says goes. I am surprised he never threw Stone out of the group as well, just joking about Stone. I never heard the orpheum show until now. It's incredible. Ed is kinda of working immortality out still had not evolved yet and I miss those long sustained high and low note drops Ed used to be able to do before cigs and old age took some of his voice dominance away. But the show is amazing
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