MANNY RAMIREZ...THE ULTIMATE FRAUD.

How does his name get worse? He was the biggest name to ever get caught in the act of taking steroids.

Dude clearly stinks and is washed up, steroids or not. He doesn't give a fuck so why not give it a shot. I just don't see what there is to lose.

I find this all incredibly amusing, especially in light of the mitchell report. Dude is a clown but i get why he did it.

Every era had their issues. No black players, gambling, greenies, coke, steroids, just to mention a few.

Agree on both points, i wouldnt be surprised to see him broke but that seems to happen less with baseball.

I guess my point is, someone like arod has much more interest in staying clean than manny. Dude is making a lot more money, in the middle of a contract, and if he stays clean the rest of his career and puts up huge numbers can somewhat clear his name. If this happened to him I would be saying the same thing as you.

I'm talking testing positive under MLB rules an being suspended. I hate to say "everyones doing it" but I certainly think getting caught and suspended for it is worse than being caught after the fact and in a time frame when everyone seemed to be taking steroids.

ed243421 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

greatest right-handed hitter ever
made a few mistakes

willie mays and frank robinson disagree

Who knows how many times he got busted for juice. I still think george mitchell covered up red sox related shit since he was working for the team at the time he was conducting his investigation. MLB really fucked that up.

they didnt face the pitching he did

What an incredibly inaccurate statement.

ed243421 wrote:

greatest right-handed hitter ever
made a few mistakes

Hank Aaron laughs at you

I don't hate Manny, I just think you made an incredibly inaccurate statement. There were and is currently only three feared pitchers that pitched in the 90's and 00's - being Clemens, Johnson, and Martinez. The only thing even close to a feared pitcher nowadays is Halladay, and that's only because batters feel defeated before they get to the plate, so that's more a matter of being fooled then thinking the high ball at your head is going to curve or be 100 mph coming at your face. I can count on both hands how many more there used to be. Pitching didn't do anything but become more watered down and below average as more teams were brought into the league, especially during Manny's era. I'm not talking about opinions here, I'm talking facts.

manny is a loser. olney summed things up well in his blog today

BOSTON -- Manny Ramirez looks like a different guy this spring, we heard over and over. Wow, his bat speed looks so much better, scouts raved. The guy is in phenomenal condition, they said. He looks a lot stronger, they said.

The Red Sox players saw the same thing. After word broke Friday that Ramirez had retired instead of facing suspension, David Ortiz said that the Boston players talked in their dugout this spring about how good Manny looked, how quick his bat was. This was especially striking, because late last season, in his brief time with the White Sox, Ramirez's bat speed had all but disappeared, and evaluators from some teams were convinced he was finished.

But now he's gone, retiring abruptly after he was informed that he had tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug and faced a possible 100-game suspension.

Former teammates like Jonathan Papelbon and Ortiz and B.J. Upton and Andre Ethier spoke respectfully about what a good teammate he was, what an incredible talent he was. And Hall of Fame voters, like colleague Jayson Stark and I, will mention, fairly, the incredible numbers Ramirez compiled, the 555 home runs and the .312 career average, and we will weigh how the circumstances of his retirement will weigh in the rendering of his legacy.

And where is Manny in all of this? Well, he's probably laughing at everybody.

Legacy? Hall of Fame? Teammates? Does anyone really think, after all we've seen in the past decade, that Ramirez cares about any of that?

He won. He's like the guy who robbed a bank of millions and was sentenced to 10 hours of community service.

According to his page on Baseballreference.com, Manny Ramirez made over $200 million for his career. How many of those dollars, those 555 home runs, were hit with the help of performance-enhancing drugs? Who knows? You could say a handful or you could say all of them and this would be fair speculation, given the evidence of his stunningly shameless use of performance-enhancing drugs in recent years.

For the first half of Ramirez's career, Major League Baseball was a wild, wild West of steroid use, with widespread use and virtually no oversight. Oh, sure, there was a loose structure in place whereby a crackdown was possible, but no one ever really did anything.

But in 2002, the players' union that Ramirez is a part of took its first steps toward drug testing, largely because a number of players within it lobbied quietly for change. Veterans like Todd Zeile had come to understand that the increase in drug use had forced many players to make a very difficult decision: Either stay clean, without benefit of performance-enhancing drugs, and risk being surpassed professionally by players who were juicing; or join the crowd and take the drugs too.

The union agreed to survey testing, in an effort to keep all of the union brethren on a level playing field. And despite the fact that everybody knew when the tests were being administered, and despite all that was at stake for the reputation of the union, Ramirez reportedly tested positive in 2003. He apparently didn't care about the whole level playing-field thing, or the fact that a positive test might lead to more testing for others; he used anyway. He was perfectly willing to cheat teammates, cheat other players.



Manny Ramirez Since Suspension
Games 172
BA .277
HR 22<<
RBI 86
K 129
<< only 1 HR in last 45 games
* played for 3 teams (LAD, CHW, TB)


In the summer of 2008, as his contract with the Red Sox was set to expire, he forced his way out of Boston -- convincing club executives that he was intent on sabotaging the team -- and in two months with the Dodgers, he put on a stunning display of production, hitting about .400. He looked liked a different guy with the Dodgers. His bat speed looks so much better, scouts raved. The guy is in phenomenal condition, they said. He looks a lot stronger, they said.



And after getting an extension of two years and $45 million, he was suspended under the terms of baseball's drug policy. In other words, knowing all the risks -- to his own legacy, his Hall of Fame chances, his reputation -- he apparently opted to drug up, to cheat his employers, teammates, union brethren.



His last months with the Dodgers were an embarrassment. He was often hurt, and only intermittently productive. The Dodgers, finally fed up with him, dumped him in a late-season deal with the White Sox, and Ramirez mustered exactly one RBI.

Manny Ramirez
Since trade to Dodgers in 2008

Before susp. After susp.
BA .380 .277
OBP .490 .390
Slug pct .710 .463
AB per HR 12.1 24.6<<
>>9 home runs in final 282 at-bats
NOTE: Traded from Red Sox to Dodgers on July 31, 2008.
Manny was very motivated as he joined the Rays, we heard. He was in tremendous condition, we heard. This was another contract year.



And for at least the third time in his career, he weighed the risks versus the rewards and signs seem to indicate he opted to juice up, again. He was willing to break the rules and cheat his employers, teammates, union brethren, and fans. He got caught, and his career is over.



Let's be real about this: Manny Ramirez wasn't the only one who cashed in on Manny being Manny. The Indians and the Red Sox and the Dodgers made money from his production and from that what-a-wild-crazy-guy image -- Mannywood? -- and the media feasted, as well; there were probably more words written and spoken about Manny in the past decade than any player not named Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens.



But now Manny is headed to Spain, where he can have a big laugh at the expense of all those folks he left behind.


He won.