Economic Inequality

Leash_In_Hiding · April 2011

Interesting read here, at least I thought so....ok well not just interesting, it's kind of sickening that there is such a wide margin of income inequality in the US...just wanted to put this out there as info for anyone who's interested.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/0 ... Inequality

gimmesometruth27 · April 2011

dps79 wrote:

Interesting read here, at least I thought so....ok well not just interesting, it's kind of sickening that there is such a wide margin of income inequality in the US...just wanted to put this out there as info for anyone who's interested.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/0 ... Inequality

keep voting for republicans and their 30 year history and future plan of failed trickle down economic policy and this will get even worse.

polaris_x · April 2011

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

keep voting for republicans and their 30 year history and future plan of failed trickle down economic policy and this will get even worse.

to be fair ... the democrats aren't going to make this any better ... it's just different corporations ...

the whole thing needs to be blown up ... and reset ...

Leash_In_Hiding · April 2011

polaris_x wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

keep voting for republicans and their 30 year history and future plan of failed trickle down economic policy and this will get even worse.

to be fair ... the democrats aren't going to make this any better ... it's just different corporations ...

the whole thing needs to be blown up ... and reset ...

+100000000...I do think the GOP is at fault, but the Dems are responsible also. Until the improper political practices driven by corporate greed and special intrests are squashed both parties have blood on their hands in my opinion, definitely needs to be blown up and reset, it's a battle between the two parties to see who has the most money every election and the people that COULD make any changes are outpriced by them. I just hope this is a wake up call to everyone to focus more on modern day reality and not focus on things like Jersey Shore as reality

gimmesometruth27 · April 2011

polaris_x wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

keep voting for republicans and their 30 year history and future plan of failed trickle down economic policy and this will get even worse.

to be fair ... the democrats aren't going to make this any better ... it's just different corporations ...

the whole thing needs to be blown up ... and reset ...

the democrats are not voting for trickle down economics. they are fighting to keep the middle class from disappearing, which will be the result of tirckle down economics. they want to tax millionaires and corporations at the clinton levels but the republicans won't let them. because tax cuts are good, right?

Jason P · April 2011

polaris_x wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

keep voting for republicans and their 30 year history and future plan of failed trickle down economic policy and this will get even worse.

to be fair ... the democrats aren't going to make this any better ... it's just different corporations ...

the whole thing needs to be blown up ... and reset ...

It was blown up a few years back but the government bailed it out. Fair or not, I believe it helped keeping thing from really spiraling out of control.

I agree that it doesn't matter what party you vote for, nothing will change. Contrary to what those on the far right think, Obama is not a socialist. And even if he was and he was successful in turning this into a socialist country, there would be an even bigger disparity between the rich and poor. There will always be poor and rich people no matter what country and government you are part of.

polaris_x · April 2011

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

the democrats are not voting for trickle down economics. they are fighting to keep the middle class from disappearing, which will be the result of tirckle down economics. they want to tax millionaires and corporations at the clinton levels but the republicans won't let them. because tax cuts are good, right?

if you look at the charts ... the prosperity gap doesn't go up with republican admins and down with the democrats ... again - it falls down to the inherent belief amongst americans that me-first is better than we-first ...

when you are a me-first nation - it shouldn't come as a shock to have this gap ...

polaris_x · April 2011

Jason P wrote:

It was blown up a few years back but the government bailed it out. Fair or not, I believe it helped keeping thing from really spiraling out of control.

I agree that it doesn't matter what party you vote for, nothing will change. Contrary to what those on the far right think, Obama is not a socialist. And even if he was and he was successful in turning this into a socialist country, there would be an even bigger disparity between the rich and poor. There will always be poor and rich people no matter what country and government you are part of.

http://www.conferenceboard.ca/HCP/Detai ... ality.aspx

look at the countries at the left of the chart ... socialist nations ... i think it's pretty evident that there will always be a gap but what is a healthy disparity? ... i would say the current gap for the countries on the right are not very good ...

Leash_In_Hiding · April 2011

I don't really understand why some socialistic policies are such a bad thing....just my opinion here and I don't mean to offend anyone, I respect all opinions and views but a college education and healthcare should be socialized, I think they are two things everyone in this country should be entitled to if they choose to pursue it. These colleges and obvioulsy healthcare companies are monopolies in their own rights and are becoming more and more unattainable for more and more people.

gimmesometruth27 · April 2011

polaris_x wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

the democrats are not voting for trickle down economics. they are fighting to keep the middle class from disappearing, which will be the result of tirckle down economics. they want to tax millionaires and corporations at the clinton levels but the republicans won't let them. because tax cuts are good, right?

if you look at the charts ... the prosperity gap doesn't go up with republican admins and down with the democrats ... again - it falls down to the inherent belief amongst americans that me-first is better than we-first ...

when you are a me-first nation - it shouldn't come as a shock to have this gap ...

such is the nature of capitalism. you can't have capitalism with a we-first society. in our system people are always looking out for number one, fuck everyone else.

polaris_x · April 2011

dps79 wrote:

I don't really understand why some socialistic policies are such a bad thing....just my opinion here and I don't mean to offend anyone, I respect all opinions and views but a college education and healthcare should be socialised, I think they are two things everyone in this country should be entitled to if they choose to pursue it. These colleges and obvioulsy healthcare companies are monopolies in their own rights and are becoming more and more unattainable for more and more people.

it's called indoctrination ... it's called fear mongering ... i mean you waged covert wars all over the place to prevent communism for crying out loud ... that mentality has never left ...

polaris_x · April 2011

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

such is the nature of capitalism. you can't have capitalism with a we-first society. in our system people are always looking out for number one, fuck everyone else.

well ... in simplistic terms yes ... but the problems in the US are not caused by capitalism ... they are caused first and foremost by the corporatization of government and the systematic dumbing down of the populace ... in my opinion that is ...

Leash_In_Hiding · April 2011

polaris_x wrote:

dps79 wrote:

I don't really understand why some socialistic policies are such a bad thing....just my opinion here and I don't mean to offend anyone, I respect all opinions and views but a college education and healthcare should be socialised, I think they are two things everyone in this country should be entitled to if they choose to pursue it. These colleges and obvioulsy healthcare companies are monopolies in their own rights and are becoming more and more unattainable for more and more people.

it's called indoctrination ... it's called fear mongering ... i mean you waged covert wars all over the place to prevent communism for crying out loud ... that mentality has never left ...

Very true which is why I don't understand how more and more people don't wake up and realize that the way our government has been doing things are wrong and not beneficial to anyone's well being. Why wouldn't more people want to bring a substantial change? Unfortunately our government decides that if anyone else in the world has something they want, they have no problem going in and taking it and trying to instill this bullshit American brand of Democracy

polaris_x · April 2011

dps79 wrote:

Very true which is why I don't understand how more and more people don't wake up and realize that the way our government has been doing things are wrong and not beneficial to anyone's well being. Why wouldn't more people want to bring a substantial change? Unfortunately our government decides that if anyone else in the world has something they want, they have no problem going in and taking it and trying to instill this bullshit American brand of Democracy

first of all - people have to think there's a problem ... most don't ... as long as they have access to fancy electronics and satellite tv ... all is good ... massive debt; damage to the environment; poverty are not things that consume the general populace ...

and i just want to add that it is the same here in Canada ... not to the extent of the US ... but to a certain degree ...

Jason P · April 2011

polaris_x wrote:

Jason P wrote:

It was blown up a few years back but the government bailed it out. Fair or not, I believe it helped keeping thing from really spiraling out of control.

I agree that it doesn't matter what party you vote for, nothing will change. Contrary to what those on the far right think, Obama is not a socialist. And even if he was and he was successful in turning this into a socialist country, there would be an even bigger disparity between the rich and poor. There will always be poor and rich people no matter what country and government you are part of.

http://www.conferenceboard.ca/HCP/Detai ... ality.aspx

look at the countries at the left of the chart ... socialist nations ... i think it's pretty evident that there will always be a gap but what is a healthy disparity? ... i would say the current gap for the countries on the right are not very good ...

Smaller countries with higher overall tax rates. In the US, it is what it is. Companies want to make money and will pay top dollar for top talent. Unfortunately, there is no way to impose a salary cap and when economic times hit hard, they are unprepared. Some want higher taxes on the rich ... and I would be OK with that IF the federal government could prove first that they are capable to stop spending more then they are taking in. I don't think giving the government more money will change a damn thing. It will just give them an opportunity to expand the spending and the deficit.

polaris_x · April 2011

Jason P wrote:

Smaller countries with higher overall tax rates. In the US, it is what it is. Companies want to make money and will pay top dollar for top talent. Unfortunately, there is no way to impose a salary cap and when economic times hit hard, they are unprepared. Some want higher taxes on the rich ... and I would be OK with that IF the federal government could prove first that they are capable to stop spending more then they are taking in. I don't think giving the government more money will change a damn thing. It will just give them an opportunity to expand the spending and the deficit.

they are a function of each other ... right now, most of your tax dollars are being used to further benefit corporations ... it's not so much the ineffectual adminstration of tax dollars by the gov't (which i agree is problematic) - it's the value system in place for distribution ...

between waging wars, military spending, oil subsidies and the like ... all that money is doing nothing for americans in general ... just making those fat cats richer by the minute ... and hence more powerful ...

Blockhead · April 2011

All I see in here is people want to stop people from getting richer... What a stupid way of thinking.
Why don't you focus your efforts on helping the Poor.
I saw one slide that showed the success of college graduates...
WHy not educate the parents of these poor childen on how important H.S. and College graduations are?
Educate them on how sucessful people can become by graduating school instead of droping out.
There are no secretes, people that succeed take mostly the same path that the poor people CHOOSE not to continue.
And talking about socialistic countries, not everthing is "Causation = Correlation" If I said look at Sweden for an example and how sucessful they are, and they are mostly a Socialist country you could also point to their race and how it is 99% caucasian, is that also the "Causation" for their success? I don't think so.

gimmesometruth27 · April 2011

Blockhead wrote:

All I see in here is people want to stop people from getting richer... What a stupid way of thinking.
Why don't you focus your efforts on helping the Poor.
I saw one slide that showed the success of college graduates...
WHy not educate the parents of these poor childen on how important H.S. and College graduations are?
Educate them on how sucessful people can become by graduating school instead of droping out.
There are no secretes, people that succeed take mostly the same path that the poor people CHOOSE not to continue.
And talking about socialistic countries, not everthing is "Causation = Correlation" If I said look at Sweden for an example and how sucessful they are, and they are mostly a Socialist country you could also point to their race and how it is 99% caucasian, is that also the "Causation" for their success? I don't think so.

i don't know about anyone else on here, but when i look at the econimic success or failure of a country the first thing that i look at is not race :?

Leash_In_Hiding · April 2011

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

All I see in here is people want to stop people from getting richer... What a stupid way of thinking.
Why don't you focus your efforts on helping the Poor.
I saw one slide that showed the success of college graduates...
WHy not educate the parents of these poor childen on how important H.S. and College graduations are?
Educate them on how sucessful people can become by graduating school instead of droping out.
There are no secretes, people that succeed take mostly the same path that the poor people CHOOSE not to continue.
And talking about socialistic countries, not everthing is "Causation = Correlation" If I said look at Sweden for an example and how sucessful they are, and they are mostly a Socialist country you could also point to their race and how it is 99% caucasian, is that also the "Causation" for their success? I don't think so.

i don't know about anyone else on here, but when i look at the econimic success or failure of a country the first thing that i look at is not race :?

+1

Blockhead · April 2011

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

All I see in here is people want to stop people from getting richer... What a stupid way of thinking.
Why don't you focus your efforts on helping the Poor.
I saw one slide that showed the success of college graduates...
WHy not educate the parents of these poor childen on how important H.S. and College graduations are?
Educate them on how sucessful people can become by graduating school instead of droping out.
There are no secretes, people that succeed take mostly the same path that the poor people CHOOSE not to continue.
And talking about socialistic countries, not everthing is "Causation = Correlation" If I said look at Sweden for an example and how sucessful they are, and they are mostly a Socialist country you could also point to their race and how it is 99% caucasian, is that also the "Causation" for their success? I don't think so.

i don't know about anyone else on here, but when i look at the econimic success or failure of a country the first thing that i look at is not race :?

You seem to have a hard time comprehending...
I was giving an example as to why "causation /= correlation" in terms of socialist countries. Great job addressing my other points. :roll:

JonnyPistachio · April 2011

You're going to do a great job of getting people to pay attention to you with degrading immature statements like this: (do you talk to friends/relatives/coworkers like this?)

Blockhead wrote:

All I see in here is people want to stop people from getting richer... What a stupid way of thinking.

Nobody in here is saying all rich people need a decrease in income or stop getting richer. I think there has been a long trend of the poor getting poorer and rich getting richer. There are many rich people like the Gov of FLorida who is able to manipulate things to pile onto his fortunes.

Blockhead wrote:

Why don't you focus your efforts on helping the Poor.
I saw one slide that showed the success of college graduates...
WHy not educate the parents of these poor childen on how important H.S. and College graduations are? Educate them on how sucessful people can become by graduating school instead of droping out. .

good point. I think this is a major issue. but is it the main problem in the as the gaps get larger?

Blockhead wrote:

There are no secretes, people that succeed take mostly the same path that the poor people CHOOSE not to continue.

You're kidding right? Poor don't always CHOOSE not to take these paths. Thats the whole point i think you're missing here. Many of the poor dont have the same opportunities that the rich have, just from where/who/how they were born into.

Blockhead wrote:

And talking about socialistic countries, not everthing is "Causation = Correlation" If I said look at Sweden for an example and how sucessful they are, and they are mostly a Socialist country you could also point to their race and how it is 99% caucasian, is that also the "Causation" for their success? I don't think so.

I dont know.

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