Economic Inequality
Leash_In_Hiding
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Interesting read here, at least I thought so....ok well not just interesting, it's kind of sickening that there is such a wide margin of income inequality in the US...just wanted to put this out there as info for anyone who's interested.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/0 ... Inequality
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/0 ... Inequality
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
to be fair ... the democrats aren't going to make this any better ... it's just different corporations ...
the whole thing needs to be blown up ... and reset ...
+100000000...I do think the GOP is at fault, but the Dems are responsible also. Until the improper political practices driven by corporate greed and special intrests are squashed both parties have blood on their hands in my opinion, definitely needs to be blown up and reset, it's a battle between the two parties to see who has the most money every election and the people that COULD make any changes are outpriced by them. I just hope this is a wake up call to everyone to focus more on modern day reality and not focus on things like Jersey Shore as reality
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I agree that it doesn't matter what party you vote for, nothing will change. Contrary to what those on the far right think, Obama is not a socialist. And even if he was and he was successful in turning this into a socialist country, there would be an even bigger disparity between the rich and poor. There will always be poor and rich people no matter what country and government you are part of.
if you look at the charts ... the prosperity gap doesn't go up with republican admins and down with the democrats ... again - it falls down to the inherent belief amongst americans that me-first is better than we-first ...
when you are a me-first nation - it shouldn't come as a shock to have this gap ...
http://www.conferenceboard.ca/HCP/Detai ... ality.aspx
look at the countries at the left of the chart ... socialist nations ... i think it's pretty evident that there will always be a gap but what is a healthy disparity? ... i would say the current gap for the countries on the right are not very good ...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
it's called indoctrination ... it's called fear mongering ... i mean you waged covert wars all over the place to prevent communism for crying out loud ... that mentality has never left ...
well ... in simplistic terms yes ... but the problems in the US are not caused by capitalism ... they are caused first and foremost by the corporatization of government and the systematic dumbing down of the populace ... in my opinion that is ...
Very true which is why I don't understand how more and more people don't wake up and realize that the way our government has been doing things are wrong and not beneficial to anyone's well being. Why wouldn't more people want to bring a substantial change? Unfortunately our government decides that if anyone else in the world has something they want, they have no problem going in and taking it and trying to instill this bullshit American brand of Democracy
first of all - people have to think there's a problem ... most don't ... as long as they have access to fancy electronics and satellite tv ... all is good ... massive debt; damage to the environment; poverty are not things that consume the general populace ...
and i just want to add that it is the same here in Canada ... not to the extent of the US ... but to a certain degree ...
they are a function of each other ... right now, most of your tax dollars are being used to further benefit corporations ... it's not so much the ineffectual adminstration of tax dollars by the gov't (which i agree is problematic) - it's the value system in place for distribution ...
between waging wars, military spending, oil subsidies and the like ... all that money is doing nothing for americans in general ... just making those fat cats richer by the minute ... and hence more powerful ...
Why don't you focus your efforts on helping the Poor.
I saw one slide that showed the success of college graduates...
WHy not educate the parents of these poor childen on how important H.S. and College graduations are?
Educate them on how sucessful people can become by graduating school instead of droping out.
There are no secretes, people that succeed take mostly the same path that the poor people CHOOSE not to continue.
And talking about socialistic countries, not everthing is "Causation = Correlation" If I said look at Sweden for an example and how sucessful they are, and they are mostly a Socialist country you could also point to their race and how it is 99% caucasian, is that also the "Causation" for their success? I don't think so.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
+1
I was giving an example as to why "causation /= correlation" in terms of socialist countries. Great job addressing my other points. :roll:
good point. I think this is a major issue. but is it the main problem in the as the gaps get larger?
You're kidding right? Poor don't always CHOOSE not to take these paths. Thats the whole point i think you're missing here. Many of the poor dont have the same opportunities that the rich have, just from where/who/how they were born into.
I dont know.
i can see things like education and overall economy and people's incomes as correlating with economic success, but i doubt that a country having 95% white people being a cause for that.
you seem to get angry when people do not address your points, now you know how a great many of us feel when you do the same. to be honest, i did not see a point to address, and even if i did respond you would dismiss my comments out of hand. so i guess its all a wash, right?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
What opportunities do the poor not have that other people have?
THey have school/healthcare/ect.
Its YOUR responsibility to succeed in school, if you happen to have strict/education emphisis parents then consider your self lucky, as they are helping you along the way to succeed. But, you can't just dismiss peoples responsibilities because they had shitty parents. At what point is it the kids responsibility?
Pleave provide me some opportunities that the poor do not get that others do?
In fact, they are helped out more by lower admission standars/school diversity/gender in terms of getting into college.
2. not everyone has health care coverage. to get medicaid you have to qualify for it, just like you have to qualify for life insurance. and those medicaid benefits are going away. look at the proposed budget. the poor do not have cars, they must rely on mass transit to get to places like the grocery store and the doctor's appointments. don't tell me lack of transportation is some sort of an advantage or something. also, medicaid is shitty, shitty insurance. we get maybe 1/3 of what we bill medicaid and we write off the other 2/3 of that money. that equates to over $200,000 a year just in our practice that we write off. medicaid reimburses pennies on the dollar, and as a result most doctors, especially surgeons will not see medicaid patients because the liability you assume to treat them is more than the reimbursement they will receive from medicaid. i would not want to bet my license on a risky procedure if my liability exceeded the money i would make, but i work for the only orthopedic physicians in south western illinois that even takes medicaid, and we only do that because my doctors here believe it is the right thing to do. not for financial gain. someone has to see these people, so that someone is us. advantage people who can afford private health insurance, NOT THE POOR ON MEDICAID.
i will answer the rest of this when i get more time.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Thats the point. A lot of the time, we dont choose, but it chooses you.
Poor people typically dont have access to the necessities of daily living such as food, clothing, shelter, or safe drinking water. Often they have a lack of access to information, education, health care. Yes, education -- like you said yourself, teachres dont want to stick around in your wifes school. The level of education there is differrnt from the "A" school down the street in a nice neighborhood.
you should also google: "cycle of poverty"
"Children are most at the mercy of the cycle of poverty. Because a child is dependent on his or her guardian."
If you are all so concerned by the ammount of poor children and their lack of opportunities, you would think you would be a little concerned with the nonexistant regulation/consequences of these welfare recipients.
They are the ones to keep this cycle of poverty turning.
You might actually be helping these kids if you teach/educate these parents on responsibilities/consequences for their actions.
But no, Im the bad guy for suggesting that and I am "dehumanizing" them. :roll:
Just keep giving them money and rewarding (with money) for having another child, that seems to be working great!
21.9% of US children live in poverty BECAUSE of welfare!??
I know you can't tell them how to parent but I would gadly pay into a system that gives them incentives (money,food,clothes,dinners,etc..) for their childs conduct in school/grades in school/staying out of trouble.
In the Freakanomics book I read they had an incentive program for students in a public school and would give them $50 if they brought up their grades. It mostly worked, but it seemed to work best at the homes where the parents were involved more witht he school work. One parent said she would double what the program was giving her son. I would gadly give more money to install incentive programs so these kids can make money and take pride in their work. But just handing a check over and expecting them to make the best decisions for them or their children is not the way to HELP people.
No need to get in a huff because you learned something today.
By the way, it is once again becoming clearer that you have resentment and hostility toward poor families. You are the first one to bring up welfare here. We were talking about the gap between the rich and poor -- nobody even mentioned welfare until your last post.
You are also aware that there are a lot of very poor people that do not get govt assistance, correct?
And again, I agree that there should be better regulations/consequences of who should recieve welfare (and how they recieve it). But once again, since you say "nonexistant regulations", feel that you are just angry and blowing things way out of proportion.