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  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Why do I think welfare is a good thing?

    Because I don't like the idea of starving children.
    Heres an IDEA... Don't have fucking kids if you can't afford to feed/cloth/shelter yourself, let alone the kids you want to be in the world.
    But let me guess... You shouldn't be allowed to put rules on people who recieve money for free.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    polaris_x wrote:
    he didn't answer my multiple choice! ... :shock:
    You think just giving people money is the way about getting a good community/society???
    Its almost as if you want these people to fail...
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    _ wrote:
    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I truly hope karma is real. Some people have a lot to learn about the world - and humanity.
    If only you practiced what you preached... I've seen you being pretty mean to others on here.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Blockhead wrote:
    Sadly you don't know jack shit about the world we live in, everything everybody says that opposes you is a sweeping generalization, and only the poor on welfare manage to work 2 or more jobs supporting a family.

    you mean these sweeping generalizations:
    Blockhead wrote:
    What world do you live in. The Gov. is thier parent, they are raising their children, paying for their lifestyles, giving them homes/clothes/food. I am pretty sure that is the parents job. Correct me if I am wrong.

    Speaking of looking at things objectively, you've made it quite obviuos that you think many people on govt assistance are watching huge TVs and enjoying all the new electronics out there.. Thats great -- TWO examples of system abuse. That must be how it is everywhere.

    You keep saying that the govt is "raising their children" and if you really think that way there is no way to get you to look at this objectively. You want to fix the system by ending it and telling them to not have kids though. Sounds like a plan! :clap: :roll:

    As i've said many times, I agree with you on some things, but your closemindedness is obvious and your ideas arent likely to work. Again, do you not think that people on govt assistance won't be breaking into YOUR house once the assistance ends?
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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Blockhead wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Why do I think welfare is a good thing?

    Because I don't like the idea of starving children.
    Heres an IDEA... Don't have fucking kids if you can't afford to feed/cloth/shelter yourself, let alone the kids you want to be in the world.
    But let me guess... You shouldn't be allowed to put rules on people who recieve money for free.
    Should the kids suffer because their parents made bad choices? If you can actually help (and I don't think we do enough, improving schools in the inner city should be the number one priority right now). Howabout pouring money into the school system and then making university education affordable so the cycle can be effectively broken?
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Blockhead wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    he didn't answer my multiple choice! ... :shock:
    You think just giving people money is the way about getting a good community/society???
    Its almost as if you want these people to fail...

    where did i say that!?? ... listen - it's obvious you have a flawed view of the social infrastructure surrounding the poor ... if i had to guess - you get all your information from fox news and op-ed folks like o'reilly and beck ...

    all i will say is this ... if you look at all the countries that are ranked high in the world in terms of the "best places to live" ... they are socialist in nature ... they believe in education and health care and providing social services in order to mitigate the number of people that are reliant on programs such as welfare ...

    if you truly want these people to succeed than you need to provide that infrastructure that prevents this from happening in the first place, that doesn't result in a prosperity gap that is the massive ... how about spending some money on education instead of bombs?
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Speaking of looking at things objectively, you've made it quite obviuos that you think many people on govt assistance are watching huge TVs and enjoying all the new electronics out there.. Thats great -- TWO examples of system abuse. That must be how it is everywhere.

    You keep saying that the govt is "raising their children" and if you really think that way there is no way to get you to look at this objectively. You want to fix the system by ending it and telling them to not have kids though. Sounds like a plan! :clap: :roll:

    As i've said many times, I agree with you on some things, but your closemindedness is obvious and your ideas arent likely to work. Again, do you not think that people on govt assistance won't be breaking into YOUR house once the assistance ends?
    I don't THINK, I have SEEN, big difference.
    You need to read more of my posts, I have never once wanted to END the system, I am simply calling for more rules/regulations to take away this sense of entitlement people have. I came up with a plan for those on welfare to do community service, but of corse we can't tell the precious down on their luck poor how to manage their time while living off tax payers money.
    Again I am not calling for the end of gov. assistance, apply more regulations, give out only vouchers (not checks) that way they can only buy certin items. Have them practice responsiblity in terms of taking care of their property and have their communities work together (community service) but I know, I know those are terrible ideas when we can just give them money.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Why do I think welfare is a good thing?

    Because I don't like the idea of starving children.
    Heres an IDEA... Don't have fucking kids if you can't afford to feed/cloth/shelter yourself, let alone the kids you want to be in the world.
    But let me guess... You shouldn't be allowed to put rules on people who recieve money for free.
    Should the kids suffer because their parents made bad choices? If you can actually help (and I don't think we do enough, improving schools in the inner city should be the number one priority right now). Howabout pouring money into the school system and then making university education affordable so the cycle can be effectively broken?
    No they shouldn't, thats why I said earlier money should be taken away (deducted) from their checks as well as their children. You can use that money and put it into foster/adoption programs and take care of the kids, how kids should be taken care of (properly fed, clothed, bathed, school supplies) That way you are only punishing the people who are acting irresponsible.
    I am sorry but innercity schools while not the best are not the issue. Education perperation comes from home and there is a reason why academic families/private schools succeed most in education, because those families make it a priority. Innercity school have to provide everything for students, which shouldn't be their job. Parents should be able to get school supplies for their kids. University education should be more affordable but we only have that to blame on ourselves, with this dexplosion of student loans that has caused the prices to colleges to rise.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    polaris_x wrote:
    where did i say that!?? ... listen - it's obvious you have a flawed view of the social infrastructure surrounding the poor ... if i had to guess - you get all your information from fox news and op-ed folks like o'reilly and beck ...

    all i will say is this ... if you look at all the countries that are ranked high in the world in terms of the "best places to live" ... they are socialist in nature ... they believe in education and health care and providing social services in order to mitigate the number of people that are reliant on programs such as welfare ...

    if you truly want these people to succeed than you need to provide that infrastructure that prevents this from happening in the first place, that doesn't result in a prosperity gap that is the massive ... how about spending some money on education instead of bombs?
    Sorry don't watch the news, I get my information from my personal experiences and my wife working in a innercity school making house visits. So i am not sure how I have a flawed view of the poor?
    Isn't Welfare a socialistic program? Wow what an extremely sucessful program, that program is now breeding generational welfare and creating a entitlement/fast money culture that leads to a extremely high H.S. graduation rate and low preganacy rate :roll:
    Yes we do need to provide an infrastructure that prevents those things from happening. Do you think just giving them money is providing that. A little personal responsibiliy might accomplish that maybe even a consequence or two. But no our program give more money to them when they have another child they can't afford. Go socialism!
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Blockhead wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Speaking of looking at things objectively, you've made it quite obviuos that you think many people on govt assistance are watching huge TVs and enjoying all the new electronics out there.. Thats great -- TWO examples of system abuse. That must be how it is everywhere.

    You keep saying that the govt is "raising their children" and if you really think that way there is no way to get you to look at this objectively. You want to fix the system by ending it and telling them to not have kids though. Sounds like a plan! :clap: :roll:

    As i've said many times, I agree with you on some things, but your closemindedness is obvious and your ideas arent likely to work. Again, do you not think that people on govt assistance won't be breaking into YOUR house once the assistance ends?
    I don't THINK, I have SEEN, big difference.
    You need to read more of my posts, I have never once wanted to END the system, I am simply calling for more rules/regulations to take away this sense of entitlement people have. I came up with a plan for those on welfare to do community service, but of corse we can't tell the precious down on their luck poor how to manage their time while living off tax payers money.
    Again I am not calling for the end of gov. assistance, apply more regulations, give out only vouchers (not checks) that way they can only buy certin items. Have them practice responsiblity in terms of taking care of their property and have their communities work together (community service) but I know, I know those are terrible ideas when we can just give them money.

    I've never heard you say most of those things. All i've ever seen you say is that the govt is "raising their children" which I think is a terrible generalization. SEEN/THINK.. I dont care.. same thing to me, just your experiences which are narrow compared to the bigger picture.

    I agree with you on having some people do community service, but how to implicate that and manage it will be difficult. Seriously, you do know that there are some people on govt assistance that work 2 jobs right? Can you at least agree on that? But there are some who dont and have the time to do comm service.. so distinguishing who is able and who is not is a big job. Maybe it will be done one day.. that would be great if it could work.

    I agree with the vouchers for specific goods as well. I was under the impression that certain things like food stamps excluded tobacco/alcohol, but i'm not sure.
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    oh, and also, I think the bigger problem is something you have brought up in the past -- is that there are some people who are on govt assistance for 5+ years. I think there needs to be some counciling or planning to help get these people off of it after a few years.
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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Blockhead wrote:
    No they shouldn't, thats why I said earlier money should be taken away (deducted) from their checks as well as their children. You can use that money and put it into foster/adoption programs and take care of the kids, how kids should be taken care of (properly fed, clothed, bathed, school supplies) That way you are only punishing the people who are acting irresponsible.
    I am sorry but innercity schools while not the best are not the issue. Education perperation comes from home and there is a reason why academic families/private schools succeed most in education, because those families make it a priority. Innercity school have to provide everything for students, which shouldn't be their job. Parents should be able to get school supplies for their kids. University education should be more affordable but we only have that to blame on ourselves, with this dexplosion of student loans that has caused the prices to colleges to rise.
    But won't having better schools help? I don't understand why in the United States, kids get a different PUBLIC school system simply because of where they were born. That's flat out unfair. Why don't some of the rich (public) schools 'spread the wealth' around. Here in Canada, I grew up in a pretty nice neighbourhood, big houses, in the suburbs. I'm proud to say that my education is almost exactly the same as those that live in inner city Toronto. Just seems fair.
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    keeponrockin wrote:
    But won't having better schools help? I don't understand why in the United States, kids get a different PUBLIC school system simply because of where they were born. That's flat out unfair. Why don't some of the rich (public) schools 'spread the wealth' around. Here in Canada, I grew up in a pretty nice neighbourhood, big houses, in the suburbs. I'm proud to say that my education is almost exactly the same as those that live in inner city Toronto. Just seems fair.
    Because when you are at the schools like the one my wife is at, there is almost a yearly teacher turnover rate, None of the good teachers want to teach there. My wife has been assulted twice this year (chair thrown at her, arm slammed in doorway) Why would she want to teach there next year.
    Also you need to put some responsibility on the kids, You can't make the kids want to lean if that is not reinforced at home.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,827
    Blockhead wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    But won't having better schools help? I don't understand why in the United States, kids get a different PUBLIC school system simply because of where they were born. That's flat out unfair. Why don't some of the rich (public) schools 'spread the wealth' around. Here in Canada, I grew up in a pretty nice neighbourhood, big houses, in the suburbs. I'm proud to say that my education is almost exactly the same as those that live in inner city Toronto. Just seems fair.
    Because when you are at the schools like the one my wife is at, there is almost a yearly teacher turnover rate, None of the good teachers want to teach there. My wife has been assulted twice this year (chair thrown at her, arm slammed in doorway) Why would she want to teach there next year.
    Also you need to put some responsibility on the kids, You can't make the kids want to lean if that is not reinforced at home.
    teachers should not have to deal with that no matter where they work.

    i'll turn the debate on it's ear. if your wife does not like working there or is unsafe working there, why doesn't she find another job? there are plenty of jobs out there that are easy to get, right?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    But won't having better schools help? I don't understand why in the United States, kids get a different PUBLIC school system simply because of where they were born. That's flat out unfair. Why don't some of the rich (public) schools 'spread the wealth' around. Here in Canada, I grew up in a pretty nice neighbourhood, big houses, in the suburbs. I'm proud to say that my education is almost exactly the same as those that live in inner city Toronto. Just seems fair.
    Because when you are at the schools like the one my wife is at, there is almost a yearly teacher turnover rate, None of the good teachers want to teach there. My wife has been assulted twice this year (chair thrown at her, arm slammed in doorway) Why would she want to teach there next year.
    Also you need to put some responsibility on the kids, You can't make the kids want to lean if that is not reinforced at home.
    teachers should not have to deal with that no matter where they work.

    i'll turn the dabate on it's ear. if your wife does not like working there or is unsafe working there, why doesn't she find another job? there are plenty of jobs out there that are easy to get, right?
    My wife has said it numerous times that just changing/impacting one of her students is fulfillment enough to continue there. The school have now implemented secutiry gards on each floor and "emergency phones" (mind you these are only 6th graders) I think if it gets to the point to where she fears going to school then she most certinly will look elsewhere. Also for her education there are very limited jobs to get out there. Now someone who has experience flipping burgers, there are many of those places that are cotinually hiring. Theres is a differences, you know that right?
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    But won't having better schools help? I don't understand why in the United States, kids get a different PUBLIC school system simply because of where they were born. That's flat out unfair. Why don't some of the rich (public) schools 'spread the wealth' around. Here in Canada, I grew up in a pretty nice neighbourhood, big houses, in the suburbs. I'm proud to say that my education is almost exactly the same as those that live in inner city Toronto. Just seems fair.
    Because when you are at the schools like the one my wife is at, there is almost a yearly teacher turnover rate, None of the good teachers want to teach there. My wife has been assulted twice this year (chair thrown at her, arm slammed in doorway) Why would she want to teach there next year.
    Also you need to put some responsibility on the kids, You can't make the kids want to lean if that is not reinforced at home.
    teachers should not have to deal with that no matter where they work.
    They have to deal with it everywhere though. Schools have given up the right to discipline since liability is a huge factor. In my school district a teacher found a couple having sex in a classroom. She left and notified the principal. Ya know what he said? "Give them a few minutes, they should be done soon. We can't enforce rules around here or the parents will sue." That's what's going on in schools!
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Oh, I know.... I'm hooked but here are a few "Abe's"

    "I like to see a man proud of the place in which he lives. I like to see a man live so that his place will be proud of him. "
    — Abraham Lincoln

    "You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves."
    — Abraham Lincoln

    "You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence"
    — Abraham Lincoln

    "If this country is ever demoralized, it will come from trying to live without work."
    — Abraham Lincoln

    "The worst thing you can do for anyone
    you care about is anything that they can do on their own."
    — Abraham Lincoln


    Yep.... quite the guy!
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    I thought it was interesting to read some of these personal testimonials:
    http://www.wisebread.com/should-you-be- ... assistance

    "The last thing we need is a poor and elderly population in bad health due to malnutrition. This is far more costly to us as a nation than the cost of food stamps (both in medical care and loss of resource.) Also, single elderly households make up a large majority of the food stamp population, so keep in mind that these are often folks living on a fixed social-security income."

    "Having worked in the social services, arena, however, I felt that there was more than enough shame to go around in many instances, without feeling like people needed extra. Alot of the people receiving assistance weren't the classic "baby's mamma" or deadbeat from down the street. They were the foster kid that aged out of the system at age 19 with no jobs skills or self esteem. They were the widow of the soldier killed in Iraq... the mother of 5 with an inoperable brain tumor and a husband that was laid off when his job got sent to another country for cheaper labor... the retiree who just found out that her dead husband's pension package disappeared when the company he worked 40 years for went belly-up.

    These folks weren't suffering "consequences" or their poor decisions. They just got stuck with a whole lot of life at one time. Many of them would have been able to get more help sooner if they hadn't have been made to feel ashamed. Most of them stayed on assistance for a season or two and moved on, grateful that all the tax money they pumped into the system for all those working years finally gave back to them in their time of need."

    Just thought it might help for people to realize that its not the same everywhere.
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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Blockhead wrote:
    _ wrote:
    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I truly hope karma is real. Some people have a lot to learn about the world - and humanity.
    Wow, you sound like a real steward of humanity wishing ill will on people who have a differing opinion than you. And another old thread you wished my children would burn in a fire.
    Sadly you don't know jack shit about the world we live in, everything everybody says that opposes you is a sweeping generalization, and only the poor on welfare manage to work 2 or more jobs supporting a family.
    I would much rather help the poor than just give them handouts. There is a big difference. Your breeding generations of entitlement. Thats not how you solve problems.
    I know your a woman and all but quit taking things so personal. Try looking at things objectively.

    All I am wishing for people, including you, is an education. It's not my fault that some people require a bigger knock on the head to learn things.

    I NEVER, EVER wished your children would burn in a fire. EVER. You chose to misinterpret my statement at the time, and still, apparently.

    I do look at things objectively, but objectivity & empathy are not mutually exclusive. And I do take things personally. I take things personally because it's MY fellow men, women, & children that your paternalistic ideals judge and, if implemented, would harm. It's the people of my community and the people I love. So, yeah, if you say we should take the food away from a child - ANY child - I'm going to take it personally. It's sad that you don't.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Jeanwah wrote:
    _ wrote:
    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I truly hope karma is real. Some people have a lot to learn about the world - and humanity.
    If only you practiced what you preached... I've seen you being pretty mean to others on here.

    Yeah, you know what... I'm just REALLY sick of people's shit. And I'm pretty sure I'm never "mean" to anyone who wasn't "mean" to me or someone else first. I'm direct in what I say and I make no apologies for that.

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