Multiple Choice Question

Blockhead

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Hm.

I'm kinda surprised that Blockhead didn't have an answer for that.

Yeah, he doesn't like having to help other people but doesn't seem to mind when other people are helping him.

What the hell are you talking about... When did you even address me?
WHen did I say I don't like having to help other people... Please show me.
What are you helping me pay for? Please explain

Prince Of Dorkness

Blockhead wrote:

What the hell are you talking about... When did you even address me?
WHen did I say I don't like having to help other people... Please show me.
What are you helping me pay for? Please explain

Look two posts up.

Blockhead

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

What the hell are you talking about... When did you even address me?
WHen did I say I don't like having to help other people... Please show me.
What are you helping me pay for? Please explain

Look two posts up.

I still don't see where you addressed me...
ANyways you don't have to get married... I pay taxes that fix roads that I never use, should I start complaining about that...
We all Pay taxes for children programs... school/education/food/etc... How do you figure your carrying my sorry ass???
What the hell are you talking about...

Prince Of Dorkness

Blockhead wrote:

What the hell are you talking about...

I'm talking about where you were blubbering about how someone else's kids shouldn't be your responsibility and I pointed out that as a gay man... I have to pay into a lot of programs that do me no good at all.

I mean, why should I - a guy who isn't legally allowed to adopt kids in many states - have to pay into school lunch programs? Or pay for child protective services? Or to build playgrounds?

Why should I, a gay man, have to help fund planned parenthood? I mean, I'm not gonna be a parent any time soon.

Why should I have to fund a war when I'm not legally allowed to fight in it?




Now... I don't actually believe all those things. Being American means we need to work together for the greater good and stop acting like Veruca Salt when she didn't get her way. Which is what you're doing.

Welfare may be open to abuse and that should be addressed but the solution isn't to just do away with the social safety net and let the homeless starve. It isn't to eliminate medicare and let the elderly die. And it certainly isn't to treat people who've paid into that system who now need it like they're prisoners on a chain gang. Being unemployed and unable to find work is bad enough without being forced to scrub toilets and clean road sides. There are few jobs in this country and it's time to start punishing the people who caused that problem, not the people left behind by it.

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

something that is completely lost on this site is personal responsibility - If you can't take care of your self don't worry well force someone to, you can have everything they have for free or reduced cost and don't worry about taking responsibility for your children/homes, well take other peoples money to ensure you don't have to make any sacrifices of your own.

Thats just ridiculous. It isnt lost man. Some of us are upset that some people cant be responsible, but we actually care more that their kids are starving, wearing rags, or cant get medical help.

Blockhead

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

something that is completely lost on this site is personal responsibility - If you can't take care of your self don't worry well force someone to, you can have everything they have for free or reduced cost and don't worry about taking responsibility for your children/homes, well take other peoples money to ensure you don't have to make any sacrifices of your own.

Thats just ridiculous. It isnt lost man. Some of us are upset that some people cant be responsible, but we actually care more that their kids are starving, wearing rags, or cant get medical help.

Yes... You clearly care so much about the kids... If you care so much about children then why do you support people who can take care of their own food/shelter/clothes having children. Not only that but they get PAID / Rewarded...
And actually kids aren't staving/ wearing rags and they most certinly do get medical help.
My wifes school gives out Power Packs (weekend meals) to students, Clothes through multiple programs (crayons to computers)... If their starving its because their parents aren't being parents and providing for their children with the gov. food stamps and monthly checks. But your right, its all about the kids, why allow a family who has starving kids to have more kids... That makes alot of sense...

gimmesometruth27

Blockhead wrote:

Yes... You clearly care so much about the kids... If you care so much about children then why do you support people who can take care of their own food/shelter/clothes having children. Not only that but they get PAID / Rewarded...
And actually kids aren't staving/ wearing rags and they most certinly do get medical help.
My wifes school gives out Power Packs (weekend meals) to students, Clothes through multiple programs (crayons to computers)... If their starving its because their parents aren't being parents and providing for their children with the gov. food stamps and monthly checks. But your right, its all about the kids, why allow a family who has starving kids to have more kids... That makes alot of sense...

i think that perhaps you would be better off on some deserted island somewhere where you and your family can be by themselves and have all the personal responsibility you want so you don't have to worry about anybody else, because fuck everybody else. just continue to look out for number one, but don't step in number two.

clearly some of us are not grasping this whole "we live in a society" thing...

Blockhead

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

Yes... You clearly care so much about the kids... If you care so much about children then why do you support people who can take care of their own food/shelter/clothes having children. Not only that but they get PAID / Rewarded...
And actually kids aren't staving/ wearing rags and they most certinly do get medical help.
My wifes school gives out Power Packs (weekend meals) to students, Clothes through multiple programs (crayons to computers)... If their starving its because their parents aren't being parents and providing for their children with the gov. food stamps and monthly checks. But your right, its all about the kids, why allow a family who has starving kids to have more kids... That makes alot of sense...

i think that perhaps you would be better off on some deserted island somewhere where you and your family can be by themselves and have all the personal responsibility you want so you don't have to worry about anybody else, because fuck everybody else. just continue to look out for number one, but don't step in number two.

clearly some of us are not grasping this whole "we live in a society" thing...

ignorance is bliss... Because I want peoople to have responsibility and consequences for their actions makes me not care for other people??? Great job addressing the post... Do you even have a family??? children?
All I have ever asked for was more regulations Money/time when it comes to welfare recipiants, thats all... Yet you make it seem like I am against social services, just because you disagree with me does not make you any more correct on this issue...

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

something that is completely lost on this site is personal responsibility - If you can't take care of your self don't worry well force someone to, you can have everything they have for free or reduced cost and don't worry about taking responsibility for your children/homes, well take other peoples money to ensure you don't have to make any sacrifices of your own.

Thats just ridiculous. It isnt lost man. Some of us are upset that some people cant be responsible, but we actually care more that their kids are starving, wearing rags, or cant get medical help.

Yes... You clearly care so much about the kids... If you care so much about children then why do you support people who can take care of their own food/shelter/clothes having children. Not only that but they get PAID / Rewarded...
And actually kids aren't staving/ wearing rags and they most certinly do get medical help.
My wifes school gives out Power Packs (weekend meals) to students, Clothes through multiple programs (crayons to computers)... If their starving its because their parents aren't being parents and providing for their children with the gov. food stamps and monthly checks. But your right, its all about the kids, why allow a family who has starving kids to have more kids... That makes alot of sense...

I think your mentality that they get 'paid' and 'REWARDED' for being poor is just warped man. Yes, there are some abusers of the system, but not ALL. Point is, many kids would be starving IF someone didnt help. We cant make this a perfect place man, there are always going to be people who need help. I was pointing out that you said "personal responsibilty is lost here", and it simply isnt lost here. Do you expect the four year old kid whose single Mom lost her job to take responsibility? Some people affected by it cant take responsibilty, that is all I was pointing out. You seem to forget about them every time you bring this up.

Blockhead

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I think your mentality that they get 'paid' and 'REWARDED' for being poor is just warped man. Yes, there are some abusers of the system, but not ALL. Point is, many kids would be starving IF someone didnt help. We cant make this a perfect place man, there are always going to be people who need help. I was pointing out that you said "personal responsibilty is lost here", and it simply isnt lost here. Do you expect the four year old kid whose single Mom lost her job to take responsibility? Some people affected by it cant take responsibilty, that is all I was pointing out. You seem to forget about them every time you bring this up.

You also seem to forget that, that woman who lost her job will recieve unemployment, not welfare.

Also getting more money when you have another child is being REWARDED... It is certinaly not a deterrent, and The gov. is not regulating how they spend that money so they can provide their children with absolutly nothing and buy whatever they want.

ALso everybody seems to foget about that 20% that is on welfare for over 5 years.

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

You also seem to forget that, that woman who lost her job will recieve unemployment, not welfare.

sometimes yes...until unemplyment runs out, then what?

Blockhead wrote:

Also getting more money when you have another child is being REWARDED... It is certinaly not a deterrent, and The gov. is not regulating how they spend that money so they can provide their children with absolutly nothing and buy whatever they want.

ALso everybody seems to foget about that 20% that is on welfare for over 5 years.

Well, my point is, maybe i'm just being picky, but I dont always view it as, or refer to it as a REWARD. I consider it HELP most of the time. Your idea of a REWARD is evident from the other threads where you stated that you think many people get pregnant solely to get 'rewarded'.. its not always the case.

Yes, that 5 year number is ridiculous. Something needs to be done about that!

Prince Of Dorkness

Blockhead wrote:

My wifes school gives out Power Packs (weekend meals) to students,

Wait... your wife is a teacher?

So why do I have to pay her salary? I don't have kids. You obviously agree that I should pay lower taxes since I don't and won't have kids and I have no not only pay for welfare but I also have to pay YOUR WIFE to teach them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVVRD-nw_J0&NR=1

Blockhead

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

You also seem to forget that, that woman who lost her job will recieve unemployment, not welfare.

sometimes yes...until unemplyment runs out, then what?

Blockhead wrote:

Also getting more money when you have another child is being REWARDED... It is certinaly not a deterrent, and The gov. is not regulating how they spend that money so they can provide their children with absolutly nothing and buy whatever they want.

ALso everybody seems to foget about that 20% that is on welfare for over 5 years.

Well, my point is, maybe i'm just being picky, but I dont always view it as, or refer to it as a REWARD. I consider it HELP most of the time. Your idea of a REWARD is evident from the other threads where you stated that you think many people get pregnant solely to get 'rewarded'.. its not always the case.

Yes, that 5 year number is ridiculous. Something needs to be done about that!

Unemployment has been exteneded to 99 weeks. That just about 2 years. That is an extremely long time to find a job.
I view it as a reward because they are given a check for having another child. Thats not helping these people, and how many jobs are going to hire you when your pregnant? Maybe regulate how the money is given to them, maybe give a small ammount of money and the rest can be vouchers for diapers, formulate, baby supplies, etc. They shouldn't just be given a check and expected to make the right decisions concerning their child. We need to have an incentive to get off welfare and a dis-incentive to be on welfare. Its should be used as a program to get you back on your feet, not a lifestyle.

Blockhead

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

My wifes school gives out Power Packs (weekend meals) to students,

Wait... your wife is a teacher?

So why do I have to pay her salary? I don't have kids. You obviously agree that I should pay lower taxes since I don't and won't have kids and I have no not only pay for welfare but I also have to pay YOUR WIFE to teach them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVVRD-nw_J0&NR=1

Then by your logic I should not have to pay for police and fire since I don't use them...
You need to quit with this argument. If you don't want to pay taxes that go to education than thats fine. But what are you going to do with children who parents can't afford private schools.

gimmesometruth27

so let me get this straight...

taking on the burden and the hassle and the 20 plus year commitment to raising another kid, and getting money for food is a reward?

does anyone really think that a poor woman is going to say "ok, i need to get more money. what can i do? oh yeah, let me get pregnant where i might have life threatening complications, and then i am going to have to commit to raising ANOTHER kid on my own, AND i get paid for it??? YEP, SIGN ME UP!!!"

gimmesometruth27

Blockhead wrote:

ignorance is bliss... Because I want peoople to have responsibility and consequences for their actions makes me not care for other people??? Great job addressing the post... Do you even have a family??? children?
All I have ever asked for was more regulations Money/time when it comes to welfare recipiants, thats all... Yet you make it seem like I am against social services, just because you disagree with me does not make you any more correct on this issue...

no, you have flat out called for ending unemployment and cutting/ending welfare, drug testing for welfare recipients, lowering taxes, etc. yet you complain of how your wife's school does all of these things to help the poor students. i have an idea, why not just have your wife not participate in these home visits? then neither of you will not be donating your time to helping the less fortunate, because let's face it, you aren't getting any satisfaction out of it by the sounds of all of your previous posts.

it sounds to me like you want people to have more personal responsibility and you want to have less responsibility for other people in this society. sounds fair enough,, but we do not live in an ayn rand utopia, and that is never going to happen. you should maybe just worry about you and yours, because the anger in your posts is just raising your blood pressure, and that is not a good thing.

and as far as my family/kids, leave them out of this.

Prince Of Dorkness

Blockhead wrote:

Then by your logic I should not have to pay for police and fire since I don't use them...
You need to quit with this argument. If you don't want to pay taxes that go to education than thats fine. But what are you going to do with children who parents can't afford private schools.

Then tell us... where do you draw the line.

You're upset because you have to pay for kids that aren't yours if their parents are on Welfare. I'm just taking your argument to an extreme... which is "if it doesn't personally and directly benefit me, screw you."

I DO want to pay taxes to education because I think it's my responsibility to help raise the next generation.

Now you ask me "what are you going to do with children who parents can't afford private schools" and I ask "what are you going to do with children whose parents can't afford food and rent?"

Go Beavers

Blockhead wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

something that is completely lost on this site is personal responsibility - If you can't take care of your self don't worry well force someone to, you can have everything they have for free or reduced cost and don't worry about taking responsibility for your children/homes, well take other peoples money to ensure you don't have to make any sacrifices of your own.

Thats just ridiculous. It isnt lost man. Some of us are upset that some people cant be responsible, but we actually care more that their kids are starving, wearing rags, or cant get medical help.

Yes... You clearly care so much about the kids... If you care so much about children then why do you support people who can take care of their own food/shelter/clothes having children. Not only that but they get PAID / Rewarded...
And actually kids aren't staving/ wearing rags and they most certinly do get medical help.
My wifes school gives out Power Packs (weekend meals) to students, Clothes through multiple programs (crayons to computers)... If their starving its because their parents aren't being parents and providing for their children with the gov. food stamps and monthly checks. But your right, its all about the kids, why allow a family who has starving kids to have more kids... That makes alot of sense...

Remember when you said you care so much about the kids, then you proposed that the kids be removed from the home if their parents can't provide for them? That was one of those posts you didn't respond to.

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Blockhead wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

something that is completely lost on this site is personal responsibility - If you can't take care of your self don't worry well force someone to, you can have everything they have for free or reduced cost and don't worry about taking responsibility for your children/homes, well take other peoples money to ensure you don't have to make any sacrifices of your own.

Thats just ridiculous. It isnt lost man. Some of us are upset that some people cant be responsible, but we actually care more that their kids are starving, wearing rags, or cant get medical help.

Yes... You clearly care so much about the kids... If you care so much about children then why do you support people who can take care of their own food/shelter/clothes having children. Not only that but they get PAID / Rewarded...
And actually kids aren't staving/ wearing rags and they most certinly do get medical help.
My wifes school gives out Power Packs (weekend meals) to students, Clothes through multiple programs (crayons to computers)... If their starving its because their parents aren't being parents and providing for their children with the gov. food stamps and monthly checks. But your right, its all about the kids, why allow a family who has starving kids to have more kids... That makes alot of sense...

Blockhead, you have said INNUMEROUS times that poor people shouldn't be allowed to have kids and that people who want their kids to be fed are SUPPORTING their "decision" to have more children.

First of all, supporting existing CHILDREN is not in any way the same things as supporting the idea of a pregnancy.

Secondly, and I know I've asked you this a million times, but I'll ask again... How do you propose that we DISALLOW people from HAVING children?? Birth control in the water at housing projects? Chastity belts? You always say we should NOT ALLOW poor people to have children - but you have absolutely no solution for how to PREVENT poor people from having children. Hell, we can't even support poor people in their decisions to NOT have children in this country! So, please, let us all know your big solution - or, once and for all, stop saying we should do something that you know can't be done. (Hint: Denial of funding is not a contraceptive. Hint #2: Once children are born, you can't prevent their parents from having them.)

_

Blockhead wrote:

Also getting more money when you have another child is being REWARDED... It is certinaly not a deterrent,

Please show me any system where cutting welfare has led to decreased pregnancy rates among poor people. Everything I know about pregnancy rates indicates that they are generally LOWER in countries that spend more on social services and HIGHER in countries that spend less. How on earth, then, would it make any sense to follow in the footsteps of the countries that have increased rates of unintended pregnancy??