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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    Electric_Delta wrote:

    Yes.
    Well, I'm calling out a bullshit (pardon the pun) on the whole Adam naming all the animals. While we are on the subject of animals I am also calling a bullshit on the whole Ark thing as well. So what about dinosaurs?

    I hope you'll reconsider your positions, my friend.

    As far as dinosaurs are concerned, check out this link: http://agards-bible-timeline.com/q3_bib ... saurs.html

    That link was fantastic...

    Were dinosaurs on the Ark? Yes. God told Noah to put representatives of every kind of land animal on the Ark. (Some dinosaurs were semiaquatic and could have survived outside the Ark.) But why put adult dinosaurs on the Ark? Young dinosaurs would take up less room, eat less, and be easier to manage.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Smellyman wrote:
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    Well, I'm calling out a bullshit (pardon the pun) on the whole Adam naming all the animals. While we are on the subject of animals I am also calling a bullshit on the whole Ark thing as well. So what about dinosaurs?

    I hope you'll reconsider your positions, my friend.

    As far as dinosaurs are concerned, check out this link: http://agards-bible-timeline.com/q3_bib ... saurs.html

    That link was fantastic...

    Were dinosaurs on the Ark? Yes. God told Noah to put representatives of every kind of land animal on the Ark. (Some dinosaurs were semiaquatic and could have survived outside the Ark.) But why put adult dinosaurs on the Ark? Young dinosaurs would take up less room, eat less, and be easier to manage.

    the ark was a carnivores delight.. talk about a smorgasbord.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    pandora wrote:
    I've never much read the Bible...I have a hard time bonding with it.

    Couldn't tell you even what is in it but I think some take from it a moral to a story kind of thing.

    That out of the stories one can take a moral or example to live by.

    I like that idea and when I drive past churches I love to read on their signs
    what the sermons are coming up for that Sunday or thought for the day are.

    The sermons and thoughts are good..you know, very very good.

    You won't find stuff like that anywhere else in your everyday life.

    The people go... meet up with many friends...they listen and reflect and try to be
    or do better.

    Kindness, civility, generosity, relating to current events in a loving way
    and finding coping mechanisms, love, beautiful topics thoughts for us all.

    I am glad there are churches and religions to bring people together.

    We need that.... it is a positive thing.

    I admire people who take the time for religion very much.

    :roll: :lol: oh my...


    well i have read the bible. and all i ask is someone please explain Gods attitude toward Job to me.
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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    was adam a cro magnon man? a neanderthal? what about an australopithicus? how are the fossils of primitive man explained? adam could not have named all of those creatures whatever they are called today, it would have been a series of different grunts and clicks and stuff for each animal. he could not have done any of that, let alone understood a formal language if spoken to by eve or god or a snake when he would have had the brain the size of an apple...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GegZmWO1Cr8

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... wells.html

    interesting stuff,
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    catefrances wrote:

    the ark was a carnivores delight.. talk about a smorgasbord.
    :lol:
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  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Paul David wrote:
    .... yes, science can explain it, as we see it, but they may believe that God is behind the science of things as well.

    True. God's will. But then back to square one as to why a benevolent god would do such things....

    Man was never meant to fall into sin, as was the case at the Garden of Eden. When sin entered in, God's judgements entered in also.

    Jesus Christ is proof of God's benevolent nature. He is loving, but He is fair.

    " Man was never meant to fall into sin"...So you are saying that God was pretty useless and didn't know what he was doing when he created man? How many other things did God screw up?
  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    brandon10 wrote:
    " Man was never meant to fall into sin"...So you are saying that God was pretty useless and didn't know what he was doing when he created man? How many other things did God screw up?

    He created man with a free will.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    catefrances wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I've never much read the Bible...I have a hard time bonding with it.

    Couldn't tell you even what is in it but I think some take from it a moral to a story kind of thing.

    That out of the stories one can take a moral or example to live by.

    I like that idea and when I drive past churches I love to read on their signs
    what the sermons are coming up for that Sunday or thought for the day are.

    The sermons and thoughts are good..you know, very very good.

    You won't find stuff like that anywhere else in your everyday life.

    The people go... meet up with many friends...they listen and reflect and try to be
    or do better.

    Kindness, civility, generosity, relating to current events in a loving way
    and finding coping mechanisms, love, beautiful topics thoughts for us all.

    I am glad there are churches and religions to bring people together.

    We need that.... it is a positive thing.

    I admire people who take the time for religion very much.

    :roll: :lol: oh my...


    well i have read the bible. and all i ask is someone please explain Gods attitude toward Job to me.
    The good book I see doesn't always work.... :lol:
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    was adam a cro magnon man? a neanderthal? what about an australopithicus? how are the fossils of primitive man explained? adam could not have named all of those creatures whatever they are called today, it would have been a series of different grunts and clicks and stuff for each animal. he could not have done any of that, let alone understood a formal language if spoken to by eve or god or a snake when he would have had the brain the size of an apple...
    any thoughts on this post?

    before i get into my point i wanted to say how ridiculous that website was where is said noah had dinosaurs on the ark. man did not exist at the same time as dinosaurs, so anyone who says that we co-existed has no idea what they are talking about.

    now back to my prior post. how do the religious faithful explain the cro mags and neanderthals and other prehistoric man fossils? did adam get created and then devolve into these early men? that can't have happened either because carbon dating says tha these fossils are hundreds of thousands to a million years old while the religions of the world say the world is only a few thousand years old? what about dinosaur fossils that are a couple of million years old?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    before i get into my point i wanted to say how ridiculous that website was where is said noah had dinosaurs on the ark.

    I thought that was quite cute. How many little boys (and some little girls), would be thrilled if it were real!

    Back to your 'proper' post - to answer your questions truthfully, one would have to discredit the whole bible. They can't do that with the word of god.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    redrock wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    before i get into my point i wanted to say how ridiculous that website was where is said noah had dinosaurs on the ark.

    I thought that was quite cute. How many little boys (and some little girls), would be thrilled if it were real!

    Back to your 'proper' post - to answer your questions truthfully, one would have to discredit the whole bible. They can't do that with the word of god.
    yeah noah had baby dinosaurs on the ark because they were smaller and took up less space, ate less, and were able to be taken care of easier. can you imagine noah on the ark with a baby brontosaurus that was the size of a metro bus? these people are joking right?

    until someone can expain to me and debunk the fossil record, and all of anthropology, paleontology, and archaeology then i rest my case.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    before i get into my point i wanted to say how ridiculous that website was where is said noah had dinosaurs on the ark.

    I thought that was quite cute. How many little boys (and some little girls), would be thrilled if it were real!

    Back to your 'proper' post - to answer your questions truthfully, one would have to discredit the whole bible. They can't do that with the word of god.
    yeah noah had baby dinosaurs on the ark because they were smaller and took up less space, ate less, and were able to be taken care of easier. can you imagine noah on the ark with a baby brontosaurus that was the size of a metro bus? these people are joking right?

    until someone can expain to me and debunk the fossil record, and all of anthropology, paleontology, and archaeology then i rest my case.

    Well put!
    The famous line in Jaws was stolen from Noah -- "We're gonna need a bigger boat."
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Noahs_Ark.jpg8-)

    I'm looking at this picture on the wall here in my study

    I've always thought it beautiful...just like the story.

    Take it to heart for the beauty it is, that is all that is needed :D

    Cherish what we have here on Earth
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    brandon10 wrote:
    " Man was never meant to fall into sin"...So you are saying that God was pretty useless and didn't know what he was doing when he created man? How many other things did God screw up?

    He created man with a free will.


    Bad move
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    brandon10 wrote:
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    brandon10 wrote:
    " Man was never meant to fall into sin"...So you are saying that God was pretty useless and didn't know what he was doing when he created man? How many other things did God screw up?

    He created man with a free will.


    Bad move
    :lol:
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:

    now back to my prior post. how do the religious faithful explain the cro mags and neanderthals and other prehistoric man fossils? did adam get created and then devolve into these early men? that can't have happened either because carbon dating says tha these fossils are hundreds of thousands to a million years old while the religions of the world say the world is only a few thousand years old? what about dinosaur fossils that are a couple of million years old?

    I wonder, does anyone on the boards think the world is only a few thousand years old? What is that based on? Bibles should come with calculators.

    Also, you know, if Adam was in an all aware state of mind, and then he fell from what they say is grace, then it would make total sense that he would devolve. Another interesting point is around about the time, in mans evolution he started to cover up his private areas, a realization, "Oh shit, I'm naked"

    Hence we are always trying to find the awakening, as our ego is what made us fall from said grace in the first place?

    I'm just generally speaking of course,
  • cajunkiwi
    cajunkiwi Posts: 984
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    brandon10 wrote:
    " Man was never meant to fall into sin"...So you are saying that God was pretty useless and didn't know what he was doing when he created man? How many other things did God screw up?

    He created man with a free will.

    So if god created man in his own image...

    And if he created man with free will...

    Then how is homosexuality a sin? If a man has free will, then he's free to choose whoever he wants to be his mate. And if he was also created in god's image, then wouldn't that be a tacit admission that god was okay with whomever the man chose as a mate? If there were certain people the man wasn't supposed to be with, then that would bypass the issue of free will and never enter in the equation in the first place because it wouldn't be part of "god's image." Right?
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    we 'know' how big the ark was cause the bible tells us so and any person with the capacity for independent thought will know that with all the species on earth that there simply was not enough room on the ark for all the critters.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    catefrances wrote:
    we 'know' how big the ark was cause the bible tells us so and any person with the capacity for independent thought will know that with all the species on earth that there simply was not enough room on the ark for all the critters.

    You never know, maybe the size of the ark was deceptive and the inside was a bit like the Tardis (for those who know Dr. Who :? )
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    pandora wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I've never much read the Bible...I have a hard time bonding with it.

    Couldn't tell you even what is in it but I think some take from it a moral to a story kind of thing.

    That out of the stories one can take a moral or example to live by.

    I like that idea and when I drive past churches I love to read on their signs
    what the sermons are coming up for that Sunday or thought for the day are.

    The sermons and thoughts are good..you know, very very good.

    You won't find stuff like that anywhere else in your everyday life.

    The people go... meet up with many friends...they listen and reflect and try to be
    or do better.

    Kindness, civility, generosity, relating to current events in a loving way
    and finding coping mechanisms, love, beautiful topics thoughts for us all.

    I am glad there are churches and religions to bring people together.

    We need that.... it is a positive thing.

    I admire people who take the time for religion very much.

    :roll: :lol: oh my...


    well i have read the bible. and all i ask is someone please explain Gods attitude toward Job to me.
    The good book I see doesn't always work.... :lol:

    says someone who never much reads it and admits having a difficult time bonding with it. do you wonder why you have this difficulty pandora???
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