pearl jam is a band that create music..thats their job..and they take money from this job???
such a shame.. :roll:
this is music intustry....even in this times,pj try alot to help people,causes..you forget all and talk about target shit..
who the fuck is target and what this have to do with pj band and their members as personality..
and who are we to tell them what to do with their business??
i love their music,love their lyrics,love the way play live..
how they do business,who choose as a partner,how much cost their cd ,what company they promote their job,.isnt my fuckin bussiness..
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I had more of a problem with the 1st vid at the gig than the Fixer ad. Ed's comments were so fake and contrived and unnecessary. 'Jewel's put her music on a tv ad and we turned down $6m to put Alive on a viagara ad. Aren't we so cool'.
We all know Backspacer is the most commercial record PJ have ever done. I'm not a fan of the album but I still love PJ. If the next record follows the same path as Backspacer I think its then that I will question the direction they taking.
Have PJ sold out? Have we, as fans sold out? It works hand-in-hand. Us fans want everything PJ related, we lap it up, we want more so they bring out more merch. Its supply and demand.
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The Target commercial is every bit as appalling and indefensible to me. That our beloved PJ can view what they do with this level of cynicism, for money that they don't truly need, just floors me. That commercial was a dark day in the band's history, one that I will not "soon forget."
Add to this the FACT that Target donates truckloads of money -- money that came from Pearl Jam and its fans -- to support right-wing Republicans and anti-gay legislation. For me, that's a dealbreaker.
Is this really what Pearl Jam is all about? Have they really become that cynical? Do they not believe in miracles anymore? I honestly and truly thought these guys were better than this, that they wouldn't sell their souls for a buck. I'm am deeply saddened to say that I was 100% wrong.
Thanks to the OP for starting this thread. I hope the discussion will be allowed to continue.
Haha, that article was from Aug 2010, a year after backspacer and it was a dealbreaker? All I read was that they gave 150K to one republican from wisconsin running for office. Lol. Quite contrary to your FACT.
As long as u are in the building it will all be good...
Ive got 10c tickets.. dunno what they will be like...
They are all over the place..
although a guy that had front row thursday night got front row again tonight... lucky bugger..
I doubt its luck.
All the 10c seats were the same tonight as Thursday night seats and probably tomorrow night
too the same..
Lucky he got front row on Thursday..
Unlucky for the person that got up the back on Thursday and again tonight..
Back on track..
Didnt Jeff say in an interview that this was the best deal ever for the band signing with Target..
That it was much better for the band compared to any other album deals they had signed in the past or something along those lines..
Back on track..
Didnt Jeff say in an interview that this was the best deal ever for the band signing with Target..
That it was much better for the band compared to any other album deals they had signed in the past or something along those lines..
I seem to remember one of the key things about the Target distribution deal was that unlike most similar mass distribution deals, they weren't tied in to an exclusive relationship with Target. So in parallel they released the record through the independent and small scale record store networks - something that would have been impossible with a different deal for the mainstream distribution (this is my understanding). So they did two things - they hit the mainstream, and the independent at the same time. I think Jeff was probably referring to the fact that this was an unusual arrangement. I didn't have a problem with it. I know nothing about the advert - I've never seen it. Backspacer was all about contending for some mainstream airplay and mainstream appeal - in the same way that No Code was all about retreating from these elements. I welcomed it at this particular time in the band's history - and having reestablished themselves as still being able to cut it in the mainstream, I doubt they will keep going in this direction. Backspacer has been one moment and one approach in the band's long history, and there will be many more to come. They'll probably put out an unlistenable album soon and some people may be happier. I am interested that some people are saying Riot Act was their last proper lp - because a lot of fans slated that when it came out, and a lot of fans slated no code when that came out.....
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Here's the thing with what you're saying.. and what Eddie / Pearl Jam is saying.
You're basing this on the Target commercial.
The commercial itself I do not believe advertises for Target. It's promoting the band and Backspacer. I see nothing wrong with that. That's like being upset seeing Pearl Jam cd's advertised in a Best Buy flyer. It's not Pearl Jam promoting Best Buy. It's Best Buy promoting Pearl Jam. See what I mean?
And as Eddie said in that first video.. they turned down a $6M offer to use a song for a commercial. That's totally different. That's selling out. Using a song for a product or endorsing a product would be selling out.
Pearl Jam did not do that. They advertised themselves.
What the fuck is wrong with that?!?!??!!
Especially in today's music industry.
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I keep reading"the direction they went with Backspacer". What exactly does this mean?
Are some of you people implying that that album was made for a bunch of commercials and is light in subject matter or approach? I dont get it.
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Just some of the quotes from the SPIN article, September 2009:
"Target just seemed like the best partner for us right now," Ament explains. "They're hipper. They have a huge philanthropy side." They were also, according to Curtis, the only big-box retailer willing to share distribution rights with independent music stores and Pearl Jam's fan club -- a must for the band.
And people say, 'Oh, Pearl Jam are working with this corporation' -- fuck that! We were on Sony for 20 years." (Jeff)
"We've always tried to subvert the business," McCready says. "But now that we're putting out a record on our own, we're taking on the responsibility of sinking or swimming ourselves. If that means writing a song that sounds like a mainstream radio hit, we're going to do that. And if it means going on TV to promote ourselves, we're going to do that, too."
I seem to remember one of the key things about the Target distribution deal was that unlike most similar mass distribution deals, they weren't tied in to an exclusive relationship with Target. So in parallel they released the record through the independent and small scale record store networks - something that would have been impossible with a different deal for the mainstream distribution (this is my understanding). So they did two things - they hit the mainstream, and the independent at the same time. I think Jeff was probably referring to the fact that this was an unusual arrangement. I didn't have a problem with it. I know nothing about the advert - I've never seen it. Backspacer was all about contending for some mainstream airplay and mainstream appeal - in the same way that No Code was all about retreating from these elements. I welcomed it at this particular time in the band's history - and having reestablished themselves as still being able to cut it in the mainstream, I doubt they will keep going in this direction. Backspacer has been one moment and one approach in the band's long history, and there will be many more to come. They'll probably put out an unlistenable album soon and some people may be happier. I am interested that some people are saying Riot Act was their last proper lp - because a lot of fans slated that when it came out, and a lot of fans slated no code when that came out.....
Yeah I need to find the clip .. It was something like in the past the record companies had looked after themselves and not the band when signing them for new album deals where the Target deal was a deal that was good for the band at the time...
Yeah I remember also when Riot Ac came out ppl moaning about it....
The whole concept of Backspacer was different..... The way the Band worked on it together from the start
not the way they had done previous albums...
I was trying to remember what interview when Ed said he was no longer angry, he couldnt
be angry forever....
The Band with their families now how more responsiblities than they had back in the 90's..
Let them worry about what kind of deals and promotions they want to do with their band
and lets us worry whether we are going to be digital or analogue for the next yr and whether
they will ever re-release Benny on vinyl again thats our jobs as fans...
They're only human. People slip up now and again, even when they have the best intentions at heart. I think it's comparable to the Springsteen/Wall-Mart thing from a couple of years ago (http://pitchfork.com/news/34501-springs ... a-mistake/).
Springsteen himself said afterward: "We just dropped the ball on it. It was a mistake. Our batting average is usually very good, but we missed that one. Fans will call you on that stuff, as it should be".. Pearl Jam's 'batting average' is far, far better than most bands, so I think people need to cut them some slack over this.
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Just some of the quotes from the SPIN article, September 2009:
"Target just seemed like the best partner for us right now," Ament explains. "They're hipper. They have a huge philanthropy side." They were also, according to Curtis, the only big-box retailer willing to share distribution rights with independent music stores and Pearl Jam's fan club -- a must for the band.
And people say, 'Oh, Pearl Jam are working with this corporation' -- fuck that! We were on Sony for 20 years." (Jeff)
"We've always tried to subvert the business," McCready says. "But now that we're putting out a record on our own, we're taking on the responsibility of sinking or swimming ourselves. If that means writing a song that sounds like a mainstream radio hit, we're going to do that. And if it means going on TV to promote ourselves, we're going to do that, too."
So my only question is did Pearl Jam get with target to create this commercial or did Target take the liberty to make this commercial on their own? This looks a lot like The Fixer video I have when I bought Backspacer on iTunes
Its just the Fixer video but with Target logos in the background.
Meh...the music industry has changed dramatically. I still enjoy the shit out of their output and live shows, so I'm more than happy to support the band. If the day ever comes when that changes, I'll just drift away without any tornado of fury.
I think people often feel as if they are fostering a relationship with the artist themselves and not just the music. If you're doing that with someone you don't know, it's probably only a matter of time before you're disappointed. Appreciate artists for their work and save the moral evaluation for people who are actually a part of your life.
The OP makes an excellent point, and articulately so.
The only thing sadder than that Fixer video is watching fans backpedal ferociously and try to defend the band as if nothing has changed. If you actually beleive Pearl Jam acts and behaves and makes business decisions the same way they did in 1995, I want what you're smoking. You really have to have some high-tech blinders on.
Then there are the fans that try to justify it with comments about how they are just promoting themselves, they all have families now, they're getting older, etc. Remember when you didn't have to make excuses for Pearl Jam?
Where I differ from the OP is the whole, "Well, fuck you now PJ." That's a bit much. This is still, by all standards, a phenomenal band. Yes, there is absolutely some hypocrisy in their modern actions, but who among us is any better? Can you imagine if your life was on tape and video as much as Eddie Vedders? I bet there are things you've said 5, 10, 15 years ago that if played today would make you cringe. I know the same could be done for me.
My point is that everything changes, and there's 3 ways to go about it: 1) you dig your heels in and blindly spin anything and everything you can to beleive this is the EXACT same band that wrote Satan's Bed, 2) you say "Fuck You" or 3) you acknowledge it, make amends, and continue to enjoy the ride. My guess is, despite the fact that you seem upset, considering you've continued listening to their music and posting on this board, you're probably #3.
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You posted a Target commercial. They are promoting themselves. They are promoting a product. When they made the deal with Target they also made a deal to have their record released in all the Mom and Pop record stores staying true to their roots. They aren't using their music to promote any other product other then themselves. I recall in 1997 there was a commercial for Yield.
Can you give me an example of a Pearl Jam song in a commercial being used to promote a product as in the examples you gave?
And as far as I remember they aren't lip-syncing in the commercial. I thought I recalled that they played live for the commercial.
Bands evolve. Technology evolves. Everything evolves. I don't see any hypocrisy. The band is just "out there" more then they were in the early days.
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Stone even said it passed his moral requirements, so it probably is all Stone's fault.
That said if there is only one play to buy the record, having a commercial showing where it is available is not sacrilege like Bob Seger selling Pickups or Zeppelin selling Cadillacs or the Beatles selling Nikes...
Stone even said it passed his moral requirements, so it probably is all Stone's fault.
That said if there is only one play to buy the record, having a commercial showing where it is available is not sacrilege like Bob Seger selling Pickups or Zeppelin selling Cadillacs or the Beatles selling Nikes...
But those beetles air force ones were awesome.
But the whole massive target symbols all over that ad were a bit of a joke, sure advertise, and maybe say at the end "only available at target" or similar, but to edit target logos all over the film clip was a bit overboard maybe.
The only thing Pj promoted by signing a deal with Target was Pj..if the deal had seen exclusivity with target then your complaints would be valid but it didn't do anything like that.
Stone even said it passed his moral requirements, so it probably is all Stone's fault.
That said if there is only one play to buy the record, having a commercial showing where it is available is not sacrilege like Bob Seger selling Pickups or Zeppelin selling Cadillacs or the Beatles selling Nikes...
But those beetles air force ones were awesome.
But the whole massive target symbols all over that ad were a bit of a joke, sure advertise, and maybe say at the end "only available at target" or similar, but to edit target logos all over the film clip was a bit overboard maybe.
Doesnt Ed have those Target Logos on his suitcase..
I have seen those b4 didnt connect they were Target logos....
I just thought Ed had kinda copied The Who logo and the Record Store one....
Btw I love shopping at Target wish they would open a store in Sorell real soon
Meh...the music industry has changed dramatically. I still enjoy the shit out of their output and live shows, so I'm more than happy to support the band. If the day ever comes when that changes, I'll just drift away without any tornado of fury.
I think people often feel as if they are fostering a relationship with the artist themselves and not just the music. If you're doing that with someone you don't know, it's probably only a matter of time before you're disappointed. Appreciate artists for their work and save the moral evaluation for people who are actually a part of your life.
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Doesnt Ed have those Target Logos on his suitcase..
I have seen those b4 didnt connect they were Target logos....
I just thought Ed had kinda copied The Who logo and the Record Store one....
Btw I love shopping at Target wish they would open a store in Sorell real soon
Those are Who logos, the Who used the target logo belonging to the British ministry of defence since they started in the 60's.
Doesnt Ed have those Target Logos on his suitcase..
I have seen those b4 didnt connect they were Target logos....
I just thought Ed had kinda copied The Who logo and the Record Store one....
Btw I love shopping at Target wish they would open a store in Sorell real soon
Those are Who logos, the Who used the target logo belonging to the British ministry of defence since they started in the 60's.
Ed's stickers are Who logos..not target logos..
Dont The Who ones have blue on it.... Ive seen just red ones...
Don't spank me for this ..... I think Pearl Jam just grew up is all
family men in their 40's
Let the 20 somethings change the world .... right?
which they probably won't
then when they have families and are in their 40's they will get the Target thing
and have much more important things to worry about then the hypocrisy
of growing older and one's views changing over time.
i can't believe this is still being talked about after being talked to death. Target was a distribution deal---PJ wanted to try something new (just like a lot of bands these days---see Radiohead, for example). so is your argument that they sold out from the very beginning? because weren't they represented by one of the biggest companies/labels when Sony/Epic handled their distribution?
there's a lot more i could say, but i'm just going to leave it alone. i don't see the point in saying "Fuck You, Eddie" like the original poster did over a distribution deal. no thanks, i'll pass.
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Looks like Eddie "sold out" again - in this case, another venue.
A-Dude, thanks for posting and for everyone saving their inflammatory comments...very good debate. My stance: S/T album was self-promoted, and try as I might I could not find exact, dependable #s on record sales of S/T and Backspacer. I would bet that S/T, promoted on J records, did not reach anywhere near the # of folks as did Backspacer. Two personal examples: My kid sister used to listen to 90's-era PJ, attended concerts, but was not a hardcore fanclub member. She lost track of them in the early 2000's, and was surprised to learn PJ was still together while buying diapers for her baby in...Target. She was happy that PJ reached fans in a different phase of their lives. 2nd example: my cousin is in her third year of college and is discovering her musical influences. While shopping at...Target, she saw Backspacer, and having heard "Just Breathe" on college radio, she picked it up. During a recent visit here, she asked me if Pearl Jam had any other music "...as good as Backspacer." I gripped my chair firmly so I wouldn't fall out, then I proceeded to play their previous 8 studio albums.
So, did PJ "sell out?" Who gives a fuck what business decision they made to promote and sell their albums? They're not promoting ladies' razors, deodorant, diet soda, vehicles, viagra, etc. They've entered a business agreement with a company, yes. They have not, however, sold their souls in preparation to individually fuck each and every fan...20 years of trying their best to be a fan-friendly band is a pretty strong track record and evidence this is not going to happen.
I'm guessing they'll '"sell out" later this year...I'm just hoping it's Alpine Valley!
Dont The Who ones have blue on it.... Ive seen just red ones...
Pics?
do you really believe ed would have target stickers on his stuff? i mean really?
U think hes too cool for that.... lol..
If can find it I will post or when I do I will...
I never thought they were target stickers at the time
I thought they were like bullseyes and really thought it was a take
off of The Who and the Easy Street sticker...
Im off to bed its 1:50am here...
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Maybe its possible, that in order to keep up with their commitments to charities across the world as well as the fact that no one buys music anymore, Pearl Jam is trying to market themselves. Its possible that the good they can do for humanity and earth by appealing to a wider audience outweighs their own personal reasons for not wanting to do any commercial advertisement.
I back the band and their decisions of this type 100%, because one thing I truly believe after following this band so closely since the beginning is, they care, they love, and they want to make the world a better place.
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Add to this the FACT that Target donates truckloads of money -- money that came from Pearl Jam and its fans -- to support right-wing Republicans and anti-gay legislation. For me, that's a dealbreaker.
I will admit that I was a little disappointed with the Target deal mostly because I hate those big box stores. I realize Target is no Wal*Mart, but still.
On the other hand, they were putting out and promoting an album pretty much all on their own; why not get themselves a partner that can help them and get them some free advertising? Would you have felt better if you could have also bought the album in KMart,CostCo and Sam's Club? You know...the little guys. :roll: Not every town has an indy record store and sometimes some people may not be able to afford shipping and handling to get themselves an actual album.
All of that being said, now that we know what we know about Target and their political affiliations, I really hope PJ severs their relationship with them. Lady Gaga (yes, I love Lady Gaga...) did so recently because of this issue and I haven't shopped there since this information was released. I hope PJ has at least as much integrity as Lady Gaga and I. (In all my life I think that might be the oddest sentence I have ever written. )
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such a shame.. :roll:
this is music intustry....even in this times,pj try alot to help people,causes..you forget all and talk about target shit..
who the fuck is target and what this have to do with pj band and their members as personality..
and who are we to tell them what to do with their business??
i love their music,love their lyrics,love the way play live..
how they do business,who choose as a partner,how much cost their cd ,what company they promote their job,.isnt my fuckin bussiness..
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We all know Backspacer is the most commercial record PJ have ever done. I'm not a fan of the album but I still love PJ. If the next record follows the same path as Backspacer I think its then that I will question the direction they taking.
Have PJ sold out? Have we, as fans sold out? It works hand-in-hand. Us fans want everything PJ related, we lap it up, we want more so they bring out more merch. Its supply and demand.
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Haha, that article was from Aug 2010, a year after backspacer and it was a dealbreaker? All I read was that they gave 150K to one republican from wisconsin running for office. Lol. Quite contrary to your FACT.
All the 10c seats were the same tonight as Thursday night seats and probably tomorrow night
too the same..
Lucky he got front row on Thursday..
Unlucky for the person that got up the back on Thursday and again tonight..
Back on track..
Didnt Jeff say in an interview that this was the best deal ever for the band signing with Target..
That it was much better for the band compared to any other album deals they had signed in the past or something along those lines..
I seem to remember one of the key things about the Target distribution deal was that unlike most similar mass distribution deals, they weren't tied in to an exclusive relationship with Target. So in parallel they released the record through the independent and small scale record store networks - something that would have been impossible with a different deal for the mainstream distribution (this is my understanding). So they did two things - they hit the mainstream, and the independent at the same time. I think Jeff was probably referring to the fact that this was an unusual arrangement. I didn't have a problem with it. I know nothing about the advert - I've never seen it. Backspacer was all about contending for some mainstream airplay and mainstream appeal - in the same way that No Code was all about retreating from these elements. I welcomed it at this particular time in the band's history - and having reestablished themselves as still being able to cut it in the mainstream, I doubt they will keep going in this direction. Backspacer has been one moment and one approach in the band's long history, and there will be many more to come. They'll probably put out an unlistenable album soon and some people may be happier. I am interested that some people are saying Riot Act was their last proper lp - because a lot of fans slated that when it came out, and a lot of fans slated no code when that came out.....
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Here's the thing with what you're saying.. and what Eddie / Pearl Jam is saying.
You're basing this on the Target commercial.
The commercial itself I do not believe advertises for Target. It's promoting the band and Backspacer. I see nothing wrong with that. That's like being upset seeing Pearl Jam cd's advertised in a Best Buy flyer. It's not Pearl Jam promoting Best Buy. It's Best Buy promoting Pearl Jam. See what I mean?
And as Eddie said in that first video.. they turned down a $6M offer to use a song for a commercial. That's totally different. That's selling out. Using a song for a product or endorsing a product would be selling out.
Pearl Jam did not do that. They advertised themselves.
What the fuck is wrong with that?!?!??!!
Especially in today's music industry.
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Are some of you people implying that that album was made for a bunch of commercials and is light in subject matter or approach? I dont get it.
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"Target just seemed like the best partner for us right now," Ament explains. "They're hipper. They have a huge philanthropy side." They were also, according to Curtis, the only big-box retailer willing to share distribution rights with independent music stores and Pearl Jam's fan club -- a must for the band.
And people say, 'Oh, Pearl Jam are working with this corporation' -- fuck that! We were on Sony for 20 years." (Jeff)
"We've always tried to subvert the business," McCready says. "But now that we're putting out a record on our own, we're taking on the responsibility of sinking or swimming ourselves. If that means writing a song that sounds like a mainstream radio hit, we're going to do that. And if it means going on TV to promote ourselves, we're going to do that, too."
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Yeah I need to find the clip .. It was something like in the past the record companies had looked after themselves and not the band when signing them for new album deals where the Target deal was a deal that was good for the band at the time...
Yeah I remember also when Riot Ac came out ppl moaning about it....
The whole concept of Backspacer was different..... The way the Band worked on it together from the start
not the way they had done previous albums...
I was trying to remember what interview when Ed said he was no longer angry, he couldnt
be angry forever....
The Band with their families now how more responsiblities than they had back in the 90's..
Let them worry about what kind of deals and promotions they want to do with their band
and lets us worry whether we are going to be digital or analogue for the next yr and whether
they will ever re-release Benny on vinyl again thats our jobs as fans...
Springsteen himself said afterward: "We just dropped the ball on it. It was a mistake. Our batting average is usually very good, but we missed that one. Fans will call you on that stuff, as it should be".. Pearl Jam's 'batting average' is far, far better than most bands, so I think people need to cut them some slack over this.
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Yeah I read that in Spin too..
it most certainly is
but holy fuck
we didnt get any promotion like that in aus
i think its a cool ad
and if i were sitting on my couch
and seen that
id slide straight off my chair
I think people often feel as if they are fostering a relationship with the artist themselves and not just the music. If you're doing that with someone you don't know, it's probably only a matter of time before you're disappointed. Appreciate artists for their work and save the moral evaluation for people who are actually a part of your life.
The only thing sadder than that Fixer video is watching fans backpedal ferociously and try to defend the band as if nothing has changed. If you actually beleive Pearl Jam acts and behaves and makes business decisions the same way they did in 1995, I want what you're smoking. You really have to have some high-tech blinders on.
Then there are the fans that try to justify it with comments about how they are just promoting themselves, they all have families now, they're getting older, etc. Remember when you didn't have to make excuses for Pearl Jam?
Where I differ from the OP is the whole, "Well, fuck you now PJ." That's a bit much. This is still, by all standards, a phenomenal band. Yes, there is absolutely some hypocrisy in their modern actions, but who among us is any better? Can you imagine if your life was on tape and video as much as Eddie Vedders? I bet there are things you've said 5, 10, 15 years ago that if played today would make you cringe. I know the same could be done for me.
My point is that everything changes, and there's 3 ways to go about it: 1) you dig your heels in and blindly spin anything and everything you can to beleive this is the EXACT same band that wrote Satan's Bed, 2) you say "Fuck You" or 3) you acknowledge it, make amends, and continue to enjoy the ride. My guess is, despite the fact that you seem upset, considering you've continued listening to their music and posting on this board, you're probably #3.
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Stone even said it passed his moral requirements, so it probably is all Stone's fault.
That said if there is only one play to buy the record, having a commercial showing where it is available is not sacrilege like Bob Seger selling Pickups or Zeppelin selling Cadillacs or the Beatles selling Nikes...
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But those beetles air force ones were awesome.
But the whole massive target symbols all over that ad were a bit of a joke, sure advertise, and maybe say at the end "only available at target" or similar, but to edit target logos all over the film clip was a bit overboard maybe.
Pj was the product being promoted. get over it.
Doesnt Ed have those Target Logos on his suitcase..
I have seen those b4 didnt connect they were Target logos....
I just thought Ed had kinda copied The Who logo and the Record Store one....
Btw I love shopping at Target wish they would open a store in Sorell real soon
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Those are Who logos, the Who used the target logo belonging to the British ministry of defence since they started in the 60's.
Ed's stickers are Who logos..not target logos..
Dont The Who ones have blue on it.... Ive seen just red ones...
family men in their 40's
Let the 20 somethings change the world .... right?
which they probably won't
then when they have families and are in their 40's they will get the Target thing
and have much more important things to worry about then the hypocrisy
of growing older and one's views changing over time.
Pics?
do you really believe ed would have target stickers on his stuff? i mean really?
there's a lot more i could say, but i'm just going to leave it alone. i don't see the point in saying "Fuck You, Eddie" like the original poster did over a distribution deal. no thanks, i'll pass.
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Looks like Eddie "sold out" again - in this case, another venue.
A-Dude, thanks for posting and for everyone saving their inflammatory comments...very good debate. My stance: S/T album was self-promoted, and try as I might I could not find exact, dependable #s on record sales of S/T and Backspacer. I would bet that S/T, promoted on J records, did not reach anywhere near the # of folks as did Backspacer. Two personal examples: My kid sister used to listen to 90's-era PJ, attended concerts, but was not a hardcore fanclub member. She lost track of them in the early 2000's, and was surprised to learn PJ was still together while buying diapers for her baby in...Target. She was happy that PJ reached fans in a different phase of their lives. 2nd example: my cousin is in her third year of college and is discovering her musical influences. While shopping at...Target, she saw Backspacer, and having heard "Just Breathe" on college radio, she picked it up. During a recent visit here, she asked me if Pearl Jam had any other music "...as good as Backspacer." I gripped my chair firmly so I wouldn't fall out, then I proceeded to play their previous 8 studio albums.
So, did PJ "sell out?" Who gives a fuck what business decision they made to promote and sell their albums? They're not promoting ladies' razors, deodorant, diet soda, vehicles, viagra, etc. They've entered a business agreement with a company, yes. They have not, however, sold their souls in preparation to individually fuck each and every fan...20 years of trying their best to be a fan-friendly band is a pretty strong track record and evidence this is not going to happen.
I'm guessing they'll '"sell out" later this year...I'm just hoping it's Alpine Valley!
U think hes too cool for that.... lol..
If can find it I will post or when I do I will...
I never thought they were target stickers at the time
I thought they were like bullseyes and really thought it was a take
off of The Who and the Easy Street sticker...
Im off to bed its 1:50am here...
The Aussies in Brisbane had a great night...
Front row getting on Stage with Ed during Hard Sun.. awesome!!
nah didnt have the PJ in the middle.. was a small red circle...
I back the band and their decisions of this type 100%, because one thing I truly believe after following this band so closely since the beginning is, they care, they love, and they want to make the world a better place.
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I will admit that I was a little disappointed with the Target deal mostly because I hate those big box stores. I realize Target is no Wal*Mart, but still.
On the other hand, they were putting out and promoting an album pretty much all on their own; why not get themselves a partner that can help them and get them some free advertising? Would you have felt better if you could have also bought the album in KMart,CostCo and Sam's Club? You know...the little guys. :roll: Not every town has an indy record store and sometimes some people may not be able to afford shipping and handling to get themselves an actual album.
All of that being said, now that we know what we know about Target and their political affiliations, I really hope PJ severs their relationship with them. Lady Gaga (yes, I love Lady Gaga...) did so recently because of this issue and I haven't shopped there since this information was released. I hope PJ has at least as much integrity as Lady Gaga and I. (In all my life I think that might be the oddest sentence I have ever written.