GOP senator favors cutting US aid to Israel

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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    Where were they when Bush spent like a fool?? That's where they lose all credibility with me. They are republicans who just want a clean slate and run from the mess they helped create by electing idiots like Bush, Delay and all the loons on the right.

    They don't care about spending, it's because the money might help people in this country rather than blowing up a middle eastern hut instead!! How can they talk about hand outs for people, when the ultra rich in this country are just as guilty as pandering.... And all the oil companies that are Not paying taxes...... Cry to them.


    http://www.bostontea.us/program

    read this and tell me they didn't exist prior to jan of 2009

    looks like they were for some stuff you would agree with...

    They may have existed, but I didn't see Fox News (who, lets face it, might be the most powerful news organization in the states) reporting/encouraging them like they do now.
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  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    keeponrockin wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    Where were they when Bush spent like a fool?? That's where they lose all credibility with me. They are republicans who just want a clean slate and run from the mess they helped create by electing idiots like Bush, Delay and all the loons on the right.

    They don't care about spending, it's because the money might help people in this country rather than blowing up a middle eastern hut instead!! How can they talk about hand outs for people, when the ultra rich in this country are just as guilty as pandering.... And all the oil companies that are Not paying taxes...... Cry to them.


    http://www.bostontea.us/program

    read this and tell me they didn't exist prior to jan of 2009

    looks like they were for some stuff you would agree with...

    They may have existed, but I didn't see Fox News (who, lets face it, might be the most powerful news organization in the states) reporting/encouraging them like they do now.

    And that's the Tea Party's fault how?

    Though, in my opinion Fox News reporting/encouraging them like they do now isn't necessarily a good thing.
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    "Program of the Boston Tea Party
    Adopted in Convention, May 27, 2010

    1. End the Wars of Aggression: The U.S. should withdraw all forces from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, South Korea, Germany, Japan, and all other occupied nations.

    2. End the Fed: The U.S. Congress should audit the Fed, allow for competition of currencies, repeal the income tax, abolish the IRS, and refuse any further 'bailouts' of corporations in any industry. Furthermore, all federal regulations covering every aspect of the private economy, including those individuals who seek self-employment, should be repealed across the board. All FICA and withholding taxes levied on employers and employees should be eliminated entirely.

    3. End the War on Drugs: The federal government should repeal all laws against the use and trade of "controlled substances." The states and local communities should also permit people to freely choose what substances they wish to consume without government intervention.

    4. End the Abuses of Liberty: Congress should repeal the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act & FISA Acts and abolish the NSA, TSA, CIA and any other federal agency that infringes on individual rights. Congress should review and revoke the emergency powers granted to the President in response to the September 11th terrorist attacks. The U.S. should restore privacy by forbidding warrant-less wiretapping of phone and internet communication. The U.S. must restore habeas corpus, allowing all detainees, foreign and domestic, a speedy and public trial. No physical or environmental discomfort should be used to influence the interrogation of suspects for any crime. The U.S. government must respect the rights of all people, regardless of place of birth, status of citizenship, or suspicion of criminality.

    5. End the Immigration Fiasco: Rather than suddenly decide to enforce long-ignored immigration laws, the U.S. should open the borders to trade and travel. We should loosen restrictions on citizens and visitors alike, allowing people of many backgrounds and cultures to coexist in a society of social and economic freedom and prosperity. The Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol agencies at all levels of government should be abolished and dismantled immediately."Taken from http://www.bostontea.us/program

    The TEA Party of today - the one that is presented to the docile masses through the media outlets has said absolutely nothing about Points 1,3,4. This is the fault of the media and the politicians in D.C. who have coopted the movement in order to further their own agendas (and to get re-elected).
    Once things are commodified, and this could be applied to anything, they get watered-down (dumbed-down) for the masses and their are forced into a narrow space of an/the overarching narrative.

    What is found on this website is a logical, intelligent collection of points; however, and sadly, this is not the TEA Party of today. I have been to meetings, and I see no signs of intelligence; furthermore, it seems to me, form what I have seen, that Points 1,3,4 have been abandoned.
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    keeponrockin wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    Where were they when Bush spent like a fool?? That's where they lose all credibility with me. They are republicans who just want a clean slate and run from the mess they helped create by electing idiots like Bush, Delay and all the loons on the right.

    They don't care about spending, it's because the money might help people in this country rather than blowing up a middle eastern hut instead!! How can they talk about hand outs for people, when the ultra rich in this country are just as guilty as pandering.... And all the oil companies that are Not paying taxes...... Cry to them.


    http://www.bostontea.us/program

    read this and tell me they didn't exist prior to jan of 2009

    looks like they were for some stuff you would agree with...

    They may have existed, but I didn't see Fox News (who, lets face it, might be the most powerful news organization in the states) reporting/encouraging them like they do now.


    well, how is that their fault? I pointed out that Crojam, who is not alone by the way, was wrong in his assumption that they just appeared after a Black president was elected...it is annoying. Are there racists who would support the tea party movement...yep, are there racist republicans...yep, are there racist democrats, yep...I am just so sick of the TEA party movement being labeled as racist when there is nothing that indicates they hate any race on a level any different than either of the two political parties that matter in the states. Get over it. The tea party reflects the times....Government has gotten too big for its britches and that includes ALL kinds of reckless spending.
    Saying these things about the tea party supporters are just like saying democrats wanted to lose the war in Iraq, or that democrats are all lazy idiots who don't want to work for a living...sure there might be some, but that doesn't represent the entire group...please remove head from ass and start understanding that things like auditing the fed, stopping our damaging foreign policy, lowering taxes on ALL Americans at the federal level, all of those things are good for everyone...why on earth is it met with such hatred and, dare I say it, fear?
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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    whygohome wrote:
    "Program of the Boston Tea Party
    Adopted in Convention, May 27, 2010

    1. End the Wars of Aggression: The U.S. should withdraw all forces from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, South Korea, Germany, Japan, and all other occupied nations.

    2. End the Fed: The U.S. Congress should audit the Fed, allow for competition of currencies, repeal the income tax, abolish the IRS, and refuse any further 'bailouts' of corporations in any industry. Furthermore, all federal regulations covering every aspect of the private economy, including those individuals who seek self-employment, should be repealed across the board. All FICA and withholding taxes levied on employers and employees should be eliminated entirely.

    3. End the War on Drugs: The federal government should repeal all laws against the use and trade of "controlled substances." The states and local communities should also permit people to freely choose what substances they wish to consume without government intervention.

    4. End the Abuses of Liberty: Congress should repeal the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act & FISA Acts and abolish the NSA, TSA, CIA and any other federal agency that infringes on individual rights. Congress should review and revoke the emergency powers granted to the President in response to the September 11th terrorist attacks. The U.S. should restore privacy by forbidding warrant-less wiretapping of phone and internet communication. The U.S. must restore habeas corpus, allowing all detainees, foreign and domestic, a speedy and public trial. No physical or environmental discomfort should be used to influence the interrogation of suspects for any crime. The U.S. government must respect the rights of all people, regardless of place of birth, status of citizenship, or suspicion of criminality.

    5. End the Immigration Fiasco: Rather than suddenly decide to enforce long-ignored immigration laws, the U.S. should open the borders to trade and travel. We should loosen restrictions on citizens and visitors alike, allowing people of many backgrounds and cultures to coexist in a society of social and economic freedom and prosperity. The Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol agencies at all levels of government should be abolished and dismantled immediately."Taken from http://www.bostontea.us/program

    The TEA Party of today - the one that is presented to the docile masses through the media outlets has said absolutely nothing about Points 1,3,4. This is the fault of the media and the politicians in D.C. who have coopted the movement in order to further their own agendas (and to get re-elected).
    Once things are commodified, and this could be applied to anything, they get watered-down (dumbed-down) for the masses and their are forced into a narrow space of an/the overarching narrative.

    What is found on this website is a logical, intelligent collection of points; however, and sadly, this is not the TEA Party of today. I have been to meetings, and I see no signs of intelligence; furthermore, it seems to me, form what I have seen, that Points 1,3,4 have been abandoned.


    understandable, I hate that it has been portrayed as a group of mindless idiots, but that is with everything, you can either take it as what is reported or learn about it. I would disagree with your assessment that there is no intelligence at tea party group meetings/conventions. Remember, this isn't an organized cartel like the DNC and RNC, these are separate groups. They all have their own agendas, but one thing they all agree on is the spending is out of control and has been for some time...not just 2009 to now. I just hate the idea that people who disagree with the positions start the name calling and trying to make the "members" out to be morons, they are simply everyday Americans who are sick of the status quo...(I get the obvious joke in that last sentence)... politicians from all sides have run this country into the ground acting like it is the job of the federal government to take care of the world and all its problems, it is about time people start saying enough. they may disagree with you, but thank god they are getting involved...the more people who get involved the better...it will be better for everyone in the end.

    Basically anyone who agrees with these 5 points should vote just move to the libertarian side of life...it is so much better to not care about what anyone else does.
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    The statement I made about the lack of intelligence I saw at a TEA Party meeting was a bit harsh, but it was true. And, it was not meant to be insulting, but it was meant to show how diluted and watered-down the movement has become. In essence, it has become a caricature of itself, or a caricature of what the Boston TEA Party movement on that particular website set out to be.

    I wonder what the members of the Boston movement (the recent one, not the one from 1773), think of the current Bachman, Palin, Rand led movement. There are differences. I wonder if they would sound like Goldwater, FMr. Rep. Sen William Cohen, Fmr. Sen. Dave Durenberger, R-Minn, and others, when they criticize the New Republican Party in D.C. today.

    I wonder
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    I just find it REALLY interesting that the Tea Party only got big when a Democrat was in office. For a non-partisan group, seems fishy. I'm not making this a black/white issue, I think its a partisan issue. These guys weren't on the national radar, yelling at senators and congressmen, protesting on the national mall, until Obama's presidency.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,719
    unsung wrote:
    Those Pauls are alright!

    I'd like to see one of you that is against Israel (every israel thread is full of you) comment on this.
    it doesn't matter what rand paul suggests....the article alone says that dems and reps are not going to go along with cutting aid to israel....i have seen a few times in this thread and others where the comments from those of us supporting palestine have been requested...the answer is that this is just another empty, symbolic gesture. if there were legs to this, and a majority of the government were supporting it, then it would pass the house and senate both. as it is now it will never pass either one, so it is just as all the teabaggers have suggested to this point, deficit cutting lip service...that is most likely the answer as to why nobody has replied to this non-story of a thread....
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    My County TEA Party leader is a black man. People here respect him for his thoughts and ideas and leadership. Nobody gives a crap about his skin color.

    How exactly are we racist?

    Oh and this local chapter does not endorse Palin. In fact I've called out the new Rep myself for not manning up and answering questions after he was elected and after receiving the endorsement. It seems he is now ignoring the TEA Party, which I will be sure to remind everyone when he comes up for election.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    I think this is a great idea. Don't get me wrong I'm all for giving aid to other countries if a natural disaster has taken place or innocent lives are being slaughtered by some ruthless dictator like what's been happening in Africa. We have start looking out for our own people for once. I bet if we didn't send any money for one year we could solve a lot of problems in our own country.
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    mrvedderson wrote:
    I don't understand how this could possibly be a bad idea. Why support Israel? It's not like they keep the Middle East in order.

    If they were able to keep the Mid East in order, would you support them then?
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,360
    MrAbraham wrote:
    mrvedderson wrote:
    I don't understand how this could possibly be a bad idea. Why support Israel? It's not like they keep the Middle East in order.

    If they were able to keep the Mid East in order, would you support them then?
    Keep the Middle East in order?? :lol: After they accomplish that, will put them to work on Charlie Sheen. :mrgreen:
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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Jason P wrote:
    MrAbraham wrote:
    mrvedderson wrote:
    I don't understand how this could possibly be a bad idea. Why support Israel? It's not like they keep the Middle East in order.

    If they were able to keep the Mid East in order, would you support them then?
    Keep the Middle East in order?? :lol: After they accomplish that, will put them to work on Charlie Sheen. :mrgreen:

    Wait, what do you think, Israel is some country bent on keeping the Mid East in chaos in order to continue the US aid coming or something? Why would they do that?
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,360
    MrAbraham wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    MrAbraham wrote:

    If they were able to keep the Mid East in order, would you support them then?
    Keep the Middle East in order?? :lol: After they accomplish that, will put them to work on Charlie Sheen. :mrgreen:

    Wait, what do you think, Israel is some country bent on keeping the Mid East in chaos in order to continue the US aid coming or something? Why would they do that?
    I just think that keeping the Middle East in order is like herding cats. And I think with the U.S. being $1.5T in the hole, maybe now is not the best time to be sending foreign countries billions of taxpayer dollars.
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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Jason P wrote:
    I just think that keeping the Middle East in order is like herding cats. And I think with the U.S. being $1.5T in the hole, maybe now is not the best time to be sending foreign countries billions of taxpayer dollars.

    Israel is not just any country, it's part of the American bloodstream. America has a special relationship with Israel. If it ends, all those Arab cats will attack them.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,360
    MrAbraham wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    I just think that keeping the Middle East in order is like herding cats. And I think with the U.S. being $1.5T in the hole, maybe now is not the best time to be sending foreign countries billions of taxpayer dollars.

    Israel is not just any country, it's part of the American bloodstream. America has a special relationship with Israel. If it ends, all those Arab cats will attack them.
    Without U.S. support, it may have been possible for an attack by their enemies at one time. Our diplomatic support is much more valuable then our military and financial support. Israel is dug in good, the entire populace has military training, and rumor has it they have nukes. I think they can handle Hamas without my money.
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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Jason P wrote:
    MrAbraham wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    I just think that keeping the Middle East in order is like herding cats. And I think with the U.S. being $1.5T in the hole, maybe now is not the best time to be sending foreign countries billions of taxpayer dollars.

    Israel is not just any country, it's part of the American bloodstream. America has a special relationship with Israel. If it ends, all those Arab cats will attack them.
    Without U.S. support, it may have been possible for an attack by their enemies at one time. Our diplomatic support is much more valuable then our military and financial support. Israel is dug in good, the entire populace has military training, and rumor has it they have nukes. I think they can handle Hamas without my money.

    So Diplomatic support for Israel is fine with you, yet continued monetary aid should be stopped because, as you said earlier, America is in debt in the trillions. So If America was out of debt, Aid to Israel should continue?

    It also does not matter that Israel has nukes, as they will not use it on Hamas because it would be like bombing themselves since it's all the same land.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    MrAbraham wrote:
    Israel is not just any country, it's part of the American bloodstream. America has a special relationship with Israel. If it ends, all those Arab cats will attack them.

    Is this why you think Israel keeps building illegal Jewish-only settlements?
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Byrnzie wrote:
    MrAbraham wrote:
    Israel is not just any country, it's part of the American bloodstream. America has a special relationship with Israel. If it ends, all those Arab cats will attack them.

    Is this why you think Israel keeps building illegal Jewish-only settlements?

    Whaaa? Nah bro, Israel builds settlements because of a Racist policy and movement aimed at the pushing out of Native Palestinians from their land and the extension/expansion of an all Zionist Jewish State. Using Propaganda to trick and manipulate the uninformed American public to support it's actions, No other country can go around destroying a people as the Zionists are doing to the Palestinians, yet control the system so well, that criticism of it is simply looked at as being wrong and what they say is anti semitic.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    MrAbraham wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    MrAbraham wrote:
    Israel is not just any country, it's part of the American bloodstream. America has a special relationship with Israel. If it ends, all those Arab cats will attack them.

    Is this why you think Israel keeps building illegal Jewish-only settlements?

    Whaaa? Nah bro, Israel builds settlements because of a Racist policy and movement aimed at the pushing out of Native Palestinians from their land and the extension/expansion of an all Zionist Jewish State. Using Propaganda to trick and manipulate the uninformed American public to support it's actions, No other country can go around destroying a people as the Zionists are doing to the Palestinians, yet control the system so well, that criticism of it is simply looked at as being wrong and what they say is anti semitic.

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