Pearl Jam pulling a Radiohead

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  • Kilgore_Trout
    Kilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    i don't think they have it in them... they just seem too disjointed at this point in their lives to come together as a band and camp out in the studio long enough to pull it off... radiohead have an experimentally-minded front man to kind of bring those disparate ideas together... ed's got more of a punk rock mind set

    besides, matt's the most musically experimental of all of them and everyone always hates on his tracks

    they gotta do something different though... the past 2 have been totally phoned in IMO
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  • Newch91
    Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    twisted thoughts wrote:
    its the lack of guitar solos they are speaking of.
    we know mike is there... he just isnt rippin it up in the studio like he used to
    he keeps it real live tho...there just arent many guitar solos on the studio albums

    Yep that's what I meant. They have gone with technical little lead riffs instead of traditional ripping guitar solos.
    He doesn't have to shred all the time. Sometimes the smallest solos do so much to a song; like Come Back.

    Also, Vitalogy barely had any solos.
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  • 12345AGNST1
    12345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    U R A Crazy Breed wrote:
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    Pearl jam defintely cannot pull what radiohead does. But they can experiment a little bit. Of The Earth is a great example of experimentation, and that song was generally loved by everyone.

    If they do experiment in that way, alot of the contributions would probably be from Matt. He seems to be the one band member who is the most creative in experimentation. Have you heard the original version of "The Fixer"? I love that version more than the original.


    :lol::lol: Matt?!!! are you serious?!!! After the fixer he should be stripped of any involvement in the creative process!! :mrgreen:

    Ed is very creative......I still wanna hear his Techno album!! :mrgreen:

    Yes Matt. He has alot more unique ideas than anyone in the band when it comes to "experimentation". The original "Fixer" was experimental, its Ed that "ruined" it. In the Moonlight, You Are, stuff he wrote in Wellwater Conspiracy, are all alot more experimental than anything PJ has done in awhile.
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  • RedMosquito22
    RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    Newch91 wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    twisted thoughts wrote:
    its the lack of guitar solos they are speaking of.
    we know mike is there... he just isnt rippin it up in the studio like he used to
    he keeps it real live tho...there just arent many guitar solos on the studio albums

    Yep that's what I meant. They have gone with technical little lead riffs instead of traditional ripping guitar solos.
    He doesn't have to shred all the time. Sometimes the smallest solos do so much to a song; like Come Back.

    Also, Vitalogy barely had any solos.

    Did we just have a comparison of Come Back's solo to Betterman and Corduroy(which may both be in his top 5)? Not to mention the solo he now adds to Spin the Black Circle now live. When did I say he had to solo all the time? I said he hasn't had one of those "Oh Yeah!!!!" solos since Nothing As it Seems and that was 11 years ago.
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  • Kilgore_Trout
    Kilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    Yes Matt. He has alot more unique ideas than anyone in the band when it comes to "experimentation". The original "Fixer" was experimental, its Ed that "ruined" it. In the Moonlight, You Are, stuff he wrote in Wellwater Conspiracy, are all alot more experimental than anything PJ has done in awhile.
    ^ this

    PJ could write some bad ass songs if they'd actually take advantage of the time signatures that mofos capable of
    i think they oughta let him do lead vocals on a song too... i like his voice on some of the wellwater stuff and PJ demos

    LOCK MATT AND JEFF IN A ROOM TOGETHER UNTIL THEY PRODUCE GOLD... stone and ed can focus on the rock stuff... mike can solo over everything

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  • Newch91
    Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    Newch91 wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    Yep that's what I meant. They have gone with technical little lead riffs instead of traditional ripping guitar solos.
    He doesn't have to shred all the time. Sometimes the smallest solos do so much to a song; like Come Back.

    Also, Vitalogy barely had any solos.

    Did we just have a comparison of Come Back's solo to Betterman and Corduroy(which may both be in his top 5)? Not to mention the solo he now adds to Spin the Black Circle now live. When did I say he had to solo all the time? I said he hasn't had one of those "Oh Yeah!!!!" solos since Nothing As it Seems and that was 11 years ago.
    I said shred, you said solo. You said:
    They have gone with technical little lead riffs instead of traditional ripping guitar solos.
    If I had known you were talking about live soloing, this conversation would be different.

    To me, his solos in Get Right and Down are one of those "Oh yeah"'s.
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  • NewJPage
    NewJPage Posts: 3,320
    Newch91 wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    Newch91 wrote:
    He doesn't have to shred all the time. Sometimes the smallest solos do so much to a song; like Come Back.

    Also, Vitalogy barely had any solos.

    Did we just have a comparison of Come Back's solo to Betterman and Corduroy(which may both be in his top 5)? Not to mention the solo he now adds to Spin the Black Circle now live. When did I say he had to solo all the time? I said he hasn't had one of those "Oh Yeah!!!!" solos since Nothing As it Seems and that was 11 years ago.
    I said shred, you said solo. You said:
    They have gone with technical little lead riffs instead of traditional ripping guitar solos.
    If I had known you were talking about live soloing, this conversation would be different.

    To me, his solos in Get Right and Down are one of those "Oh yeah"'s.

    yeah, i think riot act has probably his best solos aside from vs. as amazing as vitalogy is, its pretty slim on soloing. immortality is about it...maybe stone in not for you too.
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  • 12345AGNST1
    12345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    Kilgore_Trout wrote:
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    Yes Matt. He has alot more unique ideas than anyone in the band when it comes to "experimentation". The original "Fixer" was experimental, its Ed that "ruined" it. In the Moonlight, You Are, stuff he wrote in Wellwater Conspiracy, are all alot more experimental than anything PJ has done in awhile.
    ^ this

    PJ could write some bad ass songs if they'd actually take advantage of the time signatures that mofos capable of
    i think they oughta let him do lead vocals on a song too... i like his voice on some of the wellwater stuff and PJ demos

    LOCK MATT AND JEFF IN A ROOM TOGETHER UNTIL THEY PRODUCE GOLD... stone and ed can focus on the rock stuff... mike can solo over everything

    solved

    I would LOVE if he did lead vox in a song. I think he has a pretty great voice. and +1 to the idea of locking matt and jeff in a room.
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  • vital5
    vital5 Posts: 5,486
    twisted thoughts wrote:
    seeing how some Radiohead fans are hating on the new album and the direction they have taken from their roots, I'd say it could potentially be suicide for PJ.

    i, however invite creativity. avacado and backspacer were the weakest links in my opinion, and i dont think they could get much worse if they tried some experimenting (not saying i dont like those albums, they're just my least favorite out of their catalog). step away from the safety zone. let mike and stone write some songs. call up Nigel Godrich. With Nigel, PJ could do some amazing stuff.
    The New RH album is actually growing on me... there are a few songs in there that i don't "get" yet.. and maybe never will... i particularly like the little thing i heard... "realised" this morning... it's something about those birds chirping :D and digital scratchiness.... I think Radiohead are trying to say we're living ina Digital world... and all the sounds around us are... well i've gotten too deep now i'll shut up :D

    The album is haunting.. i'll give it that. And i know I keep repeating myself.. but good music takes time to learn and take in... then you can judge... people hating this album have not given it enough time... it's a piece of art... Radiohead's art. New sounds and things emerge and occur to me everyday listening... A definite "thinker" of an album

    Anything would work for Pearl Jam.. they've already gone experimental... take Vitalogy... Aye Davinita... Foxy Mop. Privacy... Yield's - Red Dot... just to name a few.
  • fox_mulderX
    fox_mulderX Posts: 1,134
    i would love to hear a different sound coming from pearl jam. it doesn't have to be as drastic as Kid A, but a slight change would be refreshing.
  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    Kilgore_Trout wrote:
    ^ this

    PJ could write some bad ass songs if they'd actually take advantage of the time signatures that mofos capable of
    i think they oughta let him do lead vocals on a song too... i like his voice on some of the wellwater stuff and PJ demos

    LOCK MATT AND JEFF IN A ROOM TOGETHER UNTIL THEY PRODUCE GOLD... stone and ed can focus on the rock stuff... mike can solo over everything

    solved


    I'm really glad you said this. Although I'm not a huge fan of his drum sound compared to the previous drummers, I love the uniqueness of his songs. He's got mad technical skills.
  • fox_mulderX
    fox_mulderX Posts: 1,134
    am i the only one who wants mike to stop playing solos (on future work... not in concert)?
    it's not that i hate them, it's just that he's proven to us that he can play a kick ass solo or two. i'd love to see him write a song that shows how original he can be. look at GIven To Fly. that's some of his best work. Present Tense... also pretty kick ass. his work with Mad Season was also very impressive. River Of Deceit is one of my favourite songs by him.
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    Kilgore_Trout wrote:
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    Yes Matt. He has alot more unique ideas than anyone in the band when it comes to "experimentation". The original "Fixer" was experimental, its Ed that "ruined" it. In the Moonlight, You Are, stuff he wrote in Wellwater Conspiracy, are all alot more experimental than anything PJ has done in awhile.
    ^ this

    PJ could write some bad ass songs if they'd actually take advantage of the time signatures that mofos capable of
    i think they oughta let him do lead vocals on a song too... i like his voice on some of the wellwater stuff and PJ demos

    LOCK MATT AND JEFF IN A ROOM TOGETHER UNTIL THEY PRODUCE GOLD... stone and ed can focus on the rock stuff... mike can solo over everything

    solved

    I would LOVE if he did lead vox in a song. I think he has a pretty great voice. and +1 to the idea of locking matt and jeff in a room.

    Stone should join that party.
  • gfnk001
    gfnk001 Posts: 652
    Yes Matt. He has alot more unique ideas than anyone in the band when it comes to "experimentation". The original "Fixer" was experimental, its Ed that "ruined" it. In the Moonlight, You Are, stuff he wrote in Wellwater Conspiracy, are all alot more experimental than anything PJ has done in awhile.[/quote]
    ^ this
    LOCK MATT AND JEFF IN A ROOM TOGETHER UNTIL THEY PRODUCE GOLD... stone and ed can focus on the rock stuff... mike can solo over everything

    I would LOVE if he did lead vox in a song. I think he has a pretty great voice. and +1 to the idea of locking matt and jeff in a room.[/quote]

    Stone should join that party.[/quote]


    You know what? I think if we got these guys (Matt, Mike, Jeff, and Ed) together they could put together one hell of a record. Why haven't they done that before? Oh wait.... ;)
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  • twisted thoughts
    twisted thoughts Posts: 4,377
    vital5 wrote:
    And i know I keep repeating myself.. but good music takes time to learn and take in... then you can judge... people hating this album have not given it enough time... it's a piece of art... Radiohead's art. New sounds and things emerge and occur to me everyday listening... A definite "thinker" of an album

    YOU are my new best friend :)
    this is exactly what i have been saying all along
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  • chaslil
    chaslil Westminster CO Posts: 312
    I have often wondered if PJ would ever do a concept/rock opera type album along the lines of Tommy, Quad, the Wall, or Greendale....
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