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1STmammal2wearPants1STmammal2wearPants Worcester, MA Posts: 2,954
edited February 2011 in The Porch
So how would you guys like it if the band charted new territory this time around and moved a bit away from punky/rock tracks into experimental? That's what I'm hoping for on LP 10, personally....

Wouldn't hurt to see a self-release in the vein of RH, either......
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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,829
    Hmmm...

    I don't think it would work. As hardcore PJ fans its difficult to suggest that Pearl Jam 'can't' do something.

    But if Pearl Jam strayed from the road their on as much as Radiohead did... I don't think it would work out.

    They've established themselves as "Hard Rock - Rock" and I can't seem them succeeding in any way if they deviate from that path.

    Variations from Rock 'may' work... perhaps a more folkier album... but if they stray too far from Rock - Hard Rock.. they would fail. And I don't think they would want to anyways.

    :)

    It'd be neat to see them attempt though I suppose. Neil Young did. (and failed)

    An excellent hockey analogy suggests "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."

    So by that logic... it wouldn't hurt them by any means, but personally I don't think it would be good.

    I love Radiohead though. Pablo Honey straight through to King of Limbs.
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  • RedMosquito22RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    1STmammal2wearPants wrote:
    So how would you guys like it if the band charted new territory this time around and moved a bit away from punky/rock tracks into experimental? That's what I'm hoping for on LP 10, personally....

    Wouldn't hurt to see a self-release in the vein of RH, either......

    I think their sound has constantly been changing. Yeah they play rock but I think each album has sounded different. If they get into the radiohead electronic garbage, I'd be very disappointed. This lates Radiohead album is ok at best.

    What I want them to do more than anything else is going back to recording on a big board to tape. No more digital recording please!!!!!!
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  • twisted thoughtstwisted thoughts Posts: 4,377
    seeing how some Radiohead fans are hating on the new album and the direction they have taken from their roots, I'd say it could potentially be suicide for PJ.

    i, however invite creativity. avacado and backspacer were the weakest links in my opinion, and i dont think they could get much worse if they tried some experimenting (not saying i dont like those albums, they're just my least favorite out of their catalog). step away from the safety zone. let mike and stone write some songs. call up Nigel Godrich. With Nigel, PJ could do some amazing stuff.
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  • Johnny AggroJohnny Aggro Posts: 543
    IMO i see no reason why they couldnt attempt it. I suppose its more of a case of wanting to or not. You Are was a little down that road, but again keeping a rock theme to it. They certainly have no fear of bad press or anything, but i think Radiohead in someways are less creative within the rock genre. Matt really did inject new life to the band with his off beats and 3/4 timings and i think Pearl Jam have more scope within the rock genre to be more creative that Radiohead, hence why RH moved away from rock in its truer form.

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    for me it would be beautiful a second BINAURAL
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  • 1STmammal2wearPants1STmammal2wearPants Worcester, MA Posts: 2,954
    Johnny Aggro wrote:
    IMO i see no reason why they couldnt attempt it. I suppose its more of a case of wanting to or not. You Are was a little down that road, but again keeping a rock theme to it.

    Yeah, I'm not saying go all techno -- something like what you mentioned, "You Are." Matt has definitely changed the dynamic of the band, so it'd be cool to see an album full of tracks like that one that take the band out of their comfort zone a bit......
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,431
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    What I want them to do more than anything else is going back to recording on a big board to tape. No more digital recording please!!!!!!

    What difference does it make if they're not gonna master the albums for it?



    I'd like PJ to be more experimental, but not in the vein of Radiohead.

    I love Radiohead, though the new album is kinda halfassed bullshit.
  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    I'll be happy with experimental just so long as it doesn't sound anything like "The King of Limbs"...that album sucks.
  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,904
    At the time, No Code was a pretty big jump away from what they had done on their first 3 albulms, and we all know how that turned out. I think it would be interesting.

    I would like to see them follow radioheads idea and to just come on the site one day and have them say the new albulms done and ready for download, physical copies will be out in two months.
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  • sawyerjamsawyerjam Posts: 140
    No Code might be their best album. They could use a little creativity right now. The choruses on the last two albums are a little cheesy. at least Their live show is still the best.
  • RedMosquito22RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    DewieCox wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    What I want them to do more than anything else is going back to recording on a big board to tape. No more digital recording please!!!!!!

    What difference does it make if they're not gonna master the albums for it?

    Huh? This doesn't even make sense. Of course my statement means mastering old school as well. Just listen to Social D's new album. It sounds amazing. It's not hard to find a physical compressor, limiter and EQ to master with.
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  • bluesuedeitzradbluesuedeitzrad Posts: 432
    wasn't Vitalogy their experimental album? Binaural was innovated with its production, but Vitalogy was def out there in comparison to their other albums.
  • jjflashjjflash Posts: 5,010
    Glad to see some commentary on the new Radiohead album here...I was curious to hear PJ fans' take on it. I've been thru it several times now and really like it. It's hauntingly beautiful like most Radiohead efforts. Radiohead to me are successful in the same way Pearl Jam is in that their music is a good respresentation of the capusule of time that passes between each album. The sounds on The King of Limbs is a very logical step if you explore any of the songs that Radiohead frequently lists on their website under "Office Charts"....most of those songs are heavy in techno and beat-based influences. Their new album is representative of the sounds and frequencies that have moved them of late in regard to the other artists they've been listening to.

    PJ at it's core is a 70's style rock band with punk roots that bends those influences to create modern sounds. They are not an avant garde rock band like Radiohead and thus I don't think anything too experimental would suit them well (see Foxymophandlemama). Jeff's influence will most likely be the impetus to push PJ sounds into anything similar to what the OP suggests. There's also the sonic grounds to explore similar to what Lanios did for Uncle Neil on the stellar Le Noise; this type of sound would fit fantastic within the PJ framework.
  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    Parksy wrote:
    Hmmm...

    I don't think it would work. As hardcore PJ fans its difficult to suggest that Pearl Jam 'can't' do something.

    But if Pearl Jam strayed from the road their on as much as Radiohead did... I don't think it would work out.

    They've established themselves as "Hard Rock - Rock" and I can't seem them succeeding in any way if they deviate from that path.

    Variations from Rock 'may' work... perhaps a more folkier album... but if they stray too far from Rock - Hard Rock.. they would fail. And I don't think they would want to anyways.

    :)

    I love Radiohead though. Pablo Honey straight through to King of Limbs.

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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,431
    edited February 2011
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    What I want them to do more than anything else is going back to recording on a big board to tape. No more digital recording please!!!!!!

    What difference does it make if they're not gonna master the albums for it?

    Huh? This doesn't even make sense. Of course my statement means mastering old school as well. Just listen to Social D's new album. It sounds amazing. It's not hard to find a physical compressor, limiter and EQ to master with.

    The post makes perfect sense. From Ten to Riot Act they recorded to tape. Every cd and the respective vinyl has the same mastering job. Most bands will have a separate fully analog master put on their vinyl keeping a full analog chain.
  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,829
    jjflash wrote:
    Glad to see some commentary on the new Radiohead album here...I was curious to hear PJ fans' take on it. I've been thru it several times now and really like it. It's hauntingly beautiful like most Radiohead efforts. Radiohead to me are successful in the same way Pearl Jam is in that their music is a good respresentation of the capusule of time that passes between each album. The sounds on The King of Limbs is a very logical step if you explore any of the songs that Radiohead frequently lists on their website under "Office Charts"....most of those songs are heavy in techno and beat-based influences. Their new album is representative of the sounds and frequencies that have moved them of late in regard to the other artists they've been listening to.

    PJ at it's core is a 70's style rock band with punk roots that bends those influences to create modern sounds. They are not an avant garde rock band like Radiohead and thus I don't think anything too experimental would suit them well (see Foxymophandlemama). Jeff's influence will most likely be the impetus to push PJ sounds into anything similar to what the OP suggests. There's also the sonic grounds to explore similar to what Lanios did for Uncle Neil on the stellar Le Noise; this type of sound would fit fantastic within the PJ framework.


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  • Alive_and_EvolvingAlive_and_Evolving Posts: 327
    I know some people commented on here saying it would be "suicide". I think at this point in their career it really doesnt matter what they release, they've been a band long enough to do whatever they want. I think if Of the earth is any indication of where they might go we might see a mixture of acoustic stuff that they seem to be pulling from ed's solo career along with strange songs like of the earth. I think they have a dedicated enough of a fan base that we would stay loyal to them even if they had a failed experiment. I like how their sound always changes similar to how radiohead sounds nothing like how they did on their first pearl jam doesnt either and i think we're blessed to have two bands that aren't afraid to express themselves the way they want. P.S. i really enjoy the new radiohead :)
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  • RedMosquito22RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    DewieCox wrote:
    The post makes perfect sense. From Ten to Riot Act they recorded to tape. Every cd and the respective vinyl has the same mastering job. Most bands will have a separate fully analog master put on their vinyl keeping a full analog chain.

    Which is what I want. My goodness. My whole point was to go all tape and Analog like Social D just did. You are debating with someone who agrees with you.

    I never said to record to tape and master digitally. I'm so sick of digital recording/mastering. It sounds like garbage. It's fine for small bands and bands on any type of budget because it's cheaper but there is no reason for Pearl Jam to be using it.
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  • gfnk001gfnk001 Posts: 652
    I would love to hear an experimental album of theirs. Base the entire concept on Foxymophandlemama. I know they have the ability. It mostly likely wouldn't be a smash hit with the majority of fans, but I'm all for experimenting artistically. I love how they have evolved album to album and on multiple occasions have compared them to Led Zeppelin.
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    Alive_and_Evolving wrote:
    I think at this point in their career it really doesnt matter what they release, they've been a band long enough to do whatever they want. i think we're blessed to have two bands that aren't afraid to express themselves the way they want.

    What he said :)
  • twisted thoughtstwisted thoughts Posts: 4,377
    Alive_and_Evolving wrote:
    I know some people commented on here saying it would be "suicide". I think at this point in their career it really doesnt matter what they release, they've been a band long enough to do whatever they want. I think if Of the earth is any indication of where they might go we might see a mixture of acoustic stuff that they seem to be pulling from ed's solo career along with strange songs like of the earth. I think they have a dedicated enough of a fan base that we would stay loyal to them even if they had a failed experiment. I like how their sound always changes similar to how radiohead sounds nothing like how they did on their first pearl jam doesnt either and i think we're blessed to have two bands that aren't afraid to express themselves the way they want. P.S. i really enjoy the new radiohead :)

    i only said "suicide" because of the reaction to the new Radiohead album.
    see: http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=149240

    But, I do agree with your statement in terms of the band being well enough established to not actually lose its original fans. It may just take some time for such a big change to smooth over with some of the fans who are so attached to their "sound" that made them such an established band in the first place.
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  • pdalowskypdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,119
    Please NOOOOOOOOO

    Radiohead are free to ruin their genius with electronic wankery but please not Pearl jam.

    (by all means this is a personal opinion, im aware some people like the electronic wankery...just not me).
  • U R A Crazy BreedU R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    After Backspacer....I am ready for them to go in a new direction!!
  • 12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    Pearl jam defintely cannot pull what radiohead does. But they can experiment a little bit. Of The Earth is a great example of experimentation, and that song was generally loved by everyone.

    If they do experiment in that way, alot of the contributions would probably be from Matt. He seems to be the one band member who is the most creative in experimentation. Have you heard the original version of "The Fixer"? I love that version more than the original.
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  • U R A Crazy BreedU R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    Pearl jam defintely cannot pull what radiohead does. But they can experiment a little bit. Of The Earth is a great example of experimentation, and that song was generally loved by everyone.

    If they do experiment in that way, alot of the contributions would probably be from Matt. He seems to be the one band member who is the most creative in experimentation. Have you heard the original version of "The Fixer"? I love that version more than the original.


    :lol::lol: Matt?!!! are you serious?!!! After the fixer he should be stripped of any involvement in the creative process!! :mrgreen:

    Ed is very creative......I still wanna hear his Techno album!! :mrgreen:
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    To this day, I still can't believe that the band that made Vitalogy/No Code/Yield put out Self titled and Backspacer.
    I am sorry but i hear absolutly no creativity when I listen to (st/bs) even the art work is very juvenile.
    Hopefully their go back to their experimental / creative side.
  • sawyerjamsawyerjam Posts: 140
    Couldn't agree more Heidijam. Maybe Mike can start playing an ondes martenot like Jonny in this [url=vidhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4hZt--0Yno]vidhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4hZt--0Yno[/url]
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,569
    i'd love to see something totally different with the next record.
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  • RedMosquito22RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    U R A Crazy Breed wrote:
    After Backspacer....I am ready for them to go in a new direction!!

    Yeah, I mean who wants a rock and roll record. :roll:
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  • INDIFFERENCE MAKERINDIFFERENCE MAKER Posts: 274
    yeah
    backspacer was very mediocre. they indeed need to go in a different direction. S/T to me blows BS out of the water. A band as good as Pearl Jam should never take a step back from a previous album. It should get better.

    A new approach would be great for the band right now. Backspacer was a very safe album for them. At least S/T had some songs that were "different" such as Inside Job and even though WWS is just a flat out rocker, it sitll has hints of different guitar riffs like you hadnt heard from the band before.

    I think many people will agree that albums such as Vitalogy, No Code and Yield are pretty much everyone's favorites. That is because they experimented with different sounds. Dont get me wrong I love Backspacer but I would love it, if Eddie sang the phone book. :D

    I just think it is time to do something a little different.
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