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Monkey Wrench & Self-Pollution Radio - illegal auctions?

monkeewrenchmonkeewrench Posts: 938
edited February 2011 in Lost Dogs
Please correct me - are the auctions linked below for the Monkey Wrench & Self-Pollution radio broadcasts legal?

Monkey Wrench: http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Pearl-Jam-Monk ... 20b734c639

Self-Pollution: http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Pearl-Jam-Self ... 20b734a379

(shame on me) I got suckered into buying the Monkey Wrench radio auction thinking it was a CD set produced by the radio station referenced in the description.

Once I received the set, I learned what is being sold is a set of CD-R's made by the seller from her supposed recording of the braodcast. When I requested a full refund and suggested to her that this auction wasn't exactly legal, I got a (partial) refund, and she went on to say that "because this was broadcast on the radio there are no copyright issues", thus she can sell these. She also updated the descriptions (a little), but they're still misleading if you ask me.

I completely disagree with her opinion of the copyright thing, and think what she's doing is bootlegging. Just looking for other thoughts on this - and if you're bidding on any of this person's auctions I'd retract the bid.
Milwaukee 7/9/95, Minneapolis 6/30/98, Chicago 10/09/00, Seattle - 12/6,8,9/02, Seattle 3/18/05, The Gorge 9/1/05, Vancouver BC 9/2/05, The Gorge 7/22/06, Seattle Key Arena 9/21-22/09, Portland 9/26/09, Boston 5/17/10, MSG - 5/20-21/10 - (EV) Portland 7/14/11, (EV) Seattle Benaroya Hall 7/15-16/11, PJ20 9/3-4/11, Vancouver BC 9/25/11, Missoula 9/30/12, Chicago 7/19/13, Portland 11/29/13, Spokane 11/30/13, Vancouver 12/4/13, Seattle 12/6/13
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,721
    still up.
    ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you. :)
    *NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
    *MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
    *Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
    *Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
    *Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
    *VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
    *EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
    *Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
  • PJ-CubsPJ-Cubs Posts: 3,168
    I saw these CDs on ebay earlier today and wondered the same thing.

    I am not an expert in copyright law but these auctions seem bogus.
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 9,651
    total copyright infringement

    she doesn't have the express written (or implied verbal ) consent of Major League Baseball!

    The fact that something was broadcast for free doesn't make it public domain.
  • I almost jumped on these myself. Then I read where the seller made the CD.
  • After trying to point out to this person that she's selling bootlegs, I got a follow up email from her that has some seriously retarded lines. Check out this line from the email:

    "My roommate's a lawyer and I showed him my listing last night and he said it's pretty clear that these are not official and assumed that it would come on a CDR because of that. The listing now has the amendment indicating they are on CDR's"

    That guys going to make one helluva lawyer, don't you think? :lol:

    As if pointing out these are on recordable media (cough...bootlegs...cough) makes it ok to sell copyrighted material!

    She also feels that my asking for a full refund is HARRASSMENT. How precious.
    Milwaukee 7/9/95, Minneapolis 6/30/98, Chicago 10/09/00, Seattle - 12/6,8,9/02, Seattle 3/18/05, The Gorge 9/1/05, Vancouver BC 9/2/05, The Gorge 7/22/06, Seattle Key Arena 9/21-22/09, Portland 9/26/09, Boston 5/17/10, MSG - 5/20-21/10 - (EV) Portland 7/14/11, (EV) Seattle Benaroya Hall 7/15-16/11, PJ20 9/3-4/11, Vancouver BC 9/25/11, Missoula 9/30/12, Chicago 7/19/13, Portland 11/29/13, Spokane 11/30/13, Vancouver 12/4/13, Seattle 12/6/13
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,721
    After trying to point out to this person that she's selling bootlegs, I got a follow up email from her that has some seriously retarded lines. Check out this line from the email:

    "My roommate's a lawyer and I showed him my listing last night and he said it's pretty clear that these are not official and assumed that it would come on a CDR because of that. The listing now has the amendment indicating they are on CDR's"

    That guys going to make one helluva lawyer, don't you think? :lol:

    As if pointing out these are on recordable media (cough...bootlegs...cough) makes it ok to sell copyrighted material!

    She also feels that my asking for a full refund is HARRASSMENT. How precious.


    Write back and say "It's a good thing that your 'roommate's a lawyer' because you will need his services, as you are submitting the auction link to PJ's management".
    ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you. :)
    *NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
    *MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
    *Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
    *Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
    *Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
    *VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
    *EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
    *Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 10,986
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    total copyright infringement

    she doesn't have the express written (or implied verbal ) consent of Major League Baseball!

    The fact that something was broadcast for free doesn't make it public domain.

    Not copyright infringement. Says so right in the auction :lol:

    "the show was broadcast live over the airwaves for everyone to listen to and/or record, so there is no copyright infringement."
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 9,651
    DewieCox wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    total copyright infringement

    she doesn't have the express written (or implied verbal ) consent of Major League Baseball!

    The fact that something was broadcast for free doesn't make it public domain.

    Not copyright infringement. Says so right in the auction :lol:

    "the show was broadcast live over the airwaves for everyone to listen to and/or record, so there is no copyright infringement."

    Oh, pardon me for not recognizing her copyright laws......it supercedes U.S. law!
  • CJMST3K wrote:
    After trying to point out to this person that she's selling bootlegs, I got a follow up email from her that has some seriously retarded lines. Check out this line from the email:

    "My roommate's a lawyer and I showed him my listing last night and he said it's pretty clear that these are not official and assumed that it would come on a CDR because of that. The listing now has the amendment indicating they are on CDR's"

    That guys going to make one helluva lawyer, don't you think? :lol:

    As if pointing out these are on recordable media (cough...bootlegs...cough) makes it ok to sell copyrighted material!

    She also feels that my asking for a full refund is HARRASSMENT. How precious.


    Write back and say "It's a good thing that your 'roommate's a lawyer' because you will need his services, as you are submitting the auction link to PJ's management".
    I suggested she tell her roommate to actually look into copyright infringement, or apply for an internship at the RIAA. This was about the only sarcastic thing I said to her, yet I was accused of being mean and pathetic. Oh well. Ebay is now aware of her bootlegs, lets see how long it takes for them to shut her auctions down.
    Milwaukee 7/9/95, Minneapolis 6/30/98, Chicago 10/09/00, Seattle - 12/6,8,9/02, Seattle 3/18/05, The Gorge 9/1/05, Vancouver BC 9/2/05, The Gorge 7/22/06, Seattle Key Arena 9/21-22/09, Portland 9/26/09, Boston 5/17/10, MSG - 5/20-21/10 - (EV) Portland 7/14/11, (EV) Seattle Benaroya Hall 7/15-16/11, PJ20 9/3-4/11, Vancouver BC 9/25/11, Missoula 9/30/12, Chicago 7/19/13, Portland 11/29/13, Spokane 11/30/13, Vancouver 12/4/13, Seattle 12/6/13
  • pdalowskypdalowsky Doncaster,UKPosts: 13,871
    I found it even more amazing that someone placed a bid even after she made it very clear these were home made
  • She made almost $40! :roll:
  • She made almost $40! :roll:

    Yeah, and here's the type of crap their almost $40 will get them. It's looking like ebay finally shut down these auctions.

    HomemadeCrap.jpg
    Milwaukee 7/9/95, Minneapolis 6/30/98, Chicago 10/09/00, Seattle - 12/6,8,9/02, Seattle 3/18/05, The Gorge 9/1/05, Vancouver BC 9/2/05, The Gorge 7/22/06, Seattle Key Arena 9/21-22/09, Portland 9/26/09, Boston 5/17/10, MSG - 5/20-21/10 - (EV) Portland 7/14/11, (EV) Seattle Benaroya Hall 7/15-16/11, PJ20 9/3-4/11, Vancouver BC 9/25/11, Missoula 9/30/12, Chicago 7/19/13, Portland 11/29/13, Spokane 11/30/13, Vancouver 12/4/13, Seattle 12/6/13
  • relisted :shock:
    Where? I don't see them? Are you talking about the one for the Hole radio show? I only find the PJ auctions when I search for completed, and it appears they were "ended" (but not removed) with only $0.99, so I can only assume ebay shut them down.

    I'm amazed by the POSITIVE feedback she received from those who bought and were happy with her homemade CD-R's. I'd love to tell them I could have given these shows to them for free.

    BTW - shouldn't there be 5 fixers spinning in your signature? When are you gonna add a light blue one? :D
    Milwaukee 7/9/95, Minneapolis 6/30/98, Chicago 10/09/00, Seattle - 12/6,8,9/02, Seattle 3/18/05, The Gorge 9/1/05, Vancouver BC 9/2/05, The Gorge 7/22/06, Seattle Key Arena 9/21-22/09, Portland 9/26/09, Boston 5/17/10, MSG - 5/20-21/10 - (EV) Portland 7/14/11, (EV) Seattle Benaroya Hall 7/15-16/11, PJ20 9/3-4/11, Vancouver BC 9/25/11, Missoula 9/30/12, Chicago 7/19/13, Portland 11/29/13, Spokane 11/30/13, Vancouver 12/4/13, Seattle 12/6/13
  • Several years ago I bought what I thought was the Soldier Field concert on CD. The picture showed the artwork and CDs that were released in the 90's...I believe from some radio station in Chicago...anyways the guy sent me CD-R's!!! I reported him to E-Bay and I got a full refund on the money I spent. :x
    8/29/00, 7/3/03, 5/24/06,6/28/08 & 6/30/08, 10/9/09,10/28/09, 10/30/09 & 10/31/09, 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10 & 5/21/10, 10/23/10 & 10/24/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 9/11/11, 9/12/11, 9/23/11, 9/22/12, 9/30/12, 7/16/13, 7/19/13
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