Defector admits to WMD lies that triggered Iraq war

Godfather. wrote:

nice move Ed, I haven't called anybody stupid or liars that's just what you assume I meant, and I haven't ignored any corruption by our government but I will not condemn Bush or anybody else without proof positive evidence and thats my point NO BODY HERE HAS THAT 100% evidence to judge any president the only thing they have is a drummed up article from the Internet that in no way can be identified as 100% accurate, do you really think the white house is going to let ant damning evidence leak out ? and thats what the history show I told you about was getting across, if Bush is guilty then he should be punished but if you can't prove it beyond reasonable doubt then the people have turned to Lynch mob Justis and thats one of the very things most of you on this site disagree with right ? you can't have it both ways and if Bush is as evil and corrupt as you say he is just how do you or anybody else expect to prove it, he is smart enough to cover his tracks and has many others that will cover for him also because what ever you think he did you can bet someone knew or he didn't do it alone.

Godfather.

You're right, I dont have personal proof, but I dont need it. I know enough to realize that his organization made very poor choices.

take a quick look at this and tell me it doesnt make you worried about what wthe USA has committed to:
http://costofwar.com/en/

LOL, the rest of the world seems to be of the opinion that Bush and Blair - at the very least, stretched any semblence of truth to go to war with Iraq.

And for the record - seems silly to have to mention it - Iraq had nothing what so ever to do with 9-11, not a damn thing. That so many were so easliy fooled in both countries, speaks volumes about their populations ability to think criticley for themselves.

That no one in the offending American administration has ever had to pay the piper on it just further adds to the belief that once you amass a certain level of wealth, you are no longer held accountable to societies standards. Capitalism at it's very best, the top can do what they want, and the uninformed sheep at the bottom will scream and shout that it should stay that way so that "freedom" can be protected.

But then we still have people defending these murderers, and no amount of truth or facts will change that. These same people it should be noted have refered to their current president as "the worst ever".

What is being carried out in your name this very day will haunt generations of your country men / women, and your unabashed defense for this war criminal will ensure that the next generation of Jihadist's will have more than enough propaganda to work with.

But hey, this is sure to draw the usual drivel, and non-sensicle rantings of one person in particular. Not everyone reads or watches American media, hell some countries even produce their own - god forbid

Godfather. wrote:

and thats why no president will ever go to prison,ever wonder why the president of the united states is called the most powerful man in the world ?
man brother my whole argument to this bush thing is that nobody will ever ...(well not in his life time) offer up 100% proof that Bush is wrong on the war..even if he is we'll never get that smoking gun,only small pieces
to tempt the conspiracy theorist and thats all it will ever be and our government will make sure of that.
I just get so tired of Bush this BUSH that, Obamas term ain't over yet so what kind of secretes is he and his staff keeping, it has been this way for every president in history just about. there is no such thing as clean politics in my opinion,not when the whole world is depending on the USA for one thing or another.

Godfather.

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Bush WAS Wrong. You just keep making excuses for him.
There were no weapons of mass destruction that survived the weapons inspections of the George H.W. Bush era.
The intelligence was based on a Taxi Driver.... not a project manger of Iraqi Biological weapons program.
Soldiers and civilians died based on this false information because our predsident believed a liar and sold his war to the American people.
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Those are facts that you CHOOSE not to believe. I don't think anything that is proven will ever change your view... frome the things you say, you appear to be a Bush faithful and will take that to your grave.

Godfather. wrote:

no brother I'm not a bush faithful just hard headed....I'll admit that, and I may not always be right but it just irks me that every time something is brought up about the war it was Bush's fault and you guys are probably right about that but it's not over yet as promised by our new president.
and besides if I didn't stir the pot a little when Bush got brought up you guys would have no fun defending your points, I actually respect your views and the sources you guys bring to the table I just hate to be told I'm wrong and especially hate to see people bang on the USA.. yea I'm a hard headed proud American.

Godfather.

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That's good to know... but, there are some people who refuse to hold President Bush responsible for his decisions and will make excuses in his defense.
The same people who feel that people who make poor decisions in theer lives should take personal responsibility for their decisions/actions... yet, fail to hold President Bush responsible for his. Example, the woman who can't afford to take care of herself, gets pregnant and has a kid. People feel that it was her poor decisions and actions that lead to her situation... she needs to be responsible for her actions, right? Why doesn't that principle apply to our leaders? Why should you have to pay for this woman's mistake and take care of her kid, right? Why should President Obama be held responsible for Bush's kid (Iraq)?
And we are winding down in Iraq. It is easier to invade a country, than it is to withdraw. Proof? You need not look any further than Viet Nam.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I hold them all responsible, Bush and his crew and Obama and his, I don't like this war shit anymore that you guys but banging on the US and continuing to blame Bush is pointless,we have a new curve ball in office who promised to end this war and so far it has just changed locations, what ever bush may have done is past history and the new guy campaigned for the job and made promices....just like Bush did :shock: to bring about "CHANGE" and it's changing no doubt but not so good is it ?
the guy that's comes after Obama will find a mess to try and fix just like Obama did.
just my honest thought on the whole mess.

Godfather.

dude i do not think you grasp the point in all of this. not the point of my posts at least...what exactly are you holding obama responsible for? he did not start the wars based on lies. he has continued them to some extent, he has withdrawn troops from iraq, escalated in afghanistan, and increased the drone attacks on the pakistan/afghanistan border. it is taking so long to draw down in iraq because it is much easier to put troops into a war zone than it is to withdraw them, and he is escalating in afghanistan because that is where the war should have been all along. many people would not disagree with bush starting a war in afghanistan, but tha is not the point of the thread. the point of the thread is a dude codenamed curveball by several intelligence agencies lied us into a war in IRAQ. bush is wholly to blame because he chose to believe this asshole when others were telling him that curveball was not credible. i am starting to think that you are not reading my posts. and why are you calling obama "a curve ball" when "curveball" was the codename for the liar that got us into this mess?? you are still giving bush a pass when he is the one that started all of this shit in iraq.

by blaming obama the same as bush, or giving bush a free pass, what you are doing is if a child is born with fetal alcohol syndrome you are blaming the child for it's situation when it was the mother's drinking during pregnancy that caused the situation.

gimme
the only way this dude can bash bush is by bashing obama in the same sentence
typical

and regarding obama,
i wish he were doing better
he has thrown a few bones to the slaves of this nation
but until someone takes away the power from big business and wall st.
and gives it to the people
we are all fucked
btw- i'm neither (R) or (D)

regarding curveball
i feel the bush regime would have started that war with or without him

Godfather. wrote:

it's time to move forward guy's, it's broke and needs to be fixed no matter who broke it, that's my point
and if Obama can't fix hopefully the next liar in office will.

lets use the "root cause analysis method"...so now we know it's broke and why it broke and according to you all we know who broke it but at this point who gives a fuck who broke it,lets get the damn thing fixed and worry about who broke it later, do you hunt for the arsonist before you put out the fire ? with all the inter-workings of the government and dirty deals that go on to this day busting bush would only be the beginning of it all..why do you think he's probably laughing at people like you guys,everybody from the bottom up could very well be involved in what started the war,do you really think they would shake up Washington just to throw a sacrificial lamb to the peasants ?..sorry guys I ain't buying it.
just saying it probably goes alot deeper than just Bush, stuff the public don't know.

and Ed you are the epitome of typical buddy, I can count on you like the time.

Godfather.

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"do you hunt for the arsonist before you put out the fire?"
no, but eventually you have to arrest the arsonist,
but you don't want to do that because some other polititians are also committing crimes

he and cheney killed many innocent people

Godfather. wrote:

it's time to move forward guy's, it's broke and needs to be fixed no matter who broke it, that's my point
and if Obama can't fix hopefully the next liar in office will.

lets use the "root cause analysis method"...so now we know it's broke and why it broke and according to you all we know who broke it but at this point who gives a fuck who broke it,lets get the damn thing fixed and worry about who broke it later, do you hunt for the arsonist before you put out the fire ?
Godfather.

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Some of us believe in personal responsibility and accountability.
So, by your viewpoint... we really shouldn't care about the Banker/Brokers that fucked up the economy and quit bitching about the bail out money we had to pay them to keep us from completely collapsing, right? Who cares who's responsible, right? Just put out the money to fix the problem, right?