Defector admits to WMD lies that triggered Iraq war

Digital Twilight

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/fe ... s-iraq-war

Godfather.

I only read the first half......
so this is the guy that started a war,the war most of the people on here blamed bush for lieing and starting the war single handedly, please forgive me for getting a chuckle out of this.
such is war and politics I guess.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. wrote:

I only read the first half......
so this is the guy that started a war,the war most of the people on here blamed bush for lieing and starting the war single handedly, please forgive me for getting a chuckle out of this.
such is war and politics I guess.

Godfather.

do not minimize bush's involvement. he deserves every ounce of blame he gets.

Curveball's assertions were known to be lies in 2004. we had already invaded in 2003, so what is the administration supposed to so..."OOPS we relied on the intelligence from a liar...OUR BAD.. :oops: :oops: "
this was known but did not make it into the media until 2007, nearly 4 years after we invaded...the take home lesson here is that you can not rely on one single source when thinking of starting a war. for every source that was in favor of the war there was one with intelligence against it, valerie plame's husband who debunked the "yellow cake in niger" lies for instance.....the bush crime family relied on one questionable source taht told them what they wanted to hear, so for you to minimize the blame on bush is absolutely ridiculous. bush gave the fucking orders, did he not??

here are a few articles from 2007 talking about it...
http://www.salon.com/books/int/2007/10/16/curveball/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7075501.stm

and i love how he is quoted in this article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/1 ... 23389.html where he said...


"Maybe I was right, maybe I was not right," he said. "They gave me this chance. I had the chance to fabricate something to topple the regime. I and my sons are proud of that and we are proud that we were the reason to give Iraq the margin of democracy."


this motherfucker should be in prison becuase he has coalition blood on his hands, thousands of dead and maimed soldiers from many countries. and not to mention all of his countrymen who died as a result of his lies. i have very very poor tolerance for people who lie and deceive, and he like them will be in dante's eighth circle of hell...

Kat

I'm sorry but it's the President's responsibility (of ANY POLITICAL PARTY, I don't care which one.) to be absolutely sure about what he's doing when he takes us to war knowing that citizens of both countries will die. That's his responsibility...maybe the biggest one he has and it's supposed to be the responsibility of the Congress too so the deaths and blood is on both of them. I still want to see the leaders of countries go into a room to settle their disagreement and only one comes out, unless they can decide to resolve the issue.

Besides, I thought Bush took us to war because of the assassination attempt on his dad. He was just looking for an excuse and someone gave it to him so he didn't care if it was real.

Just my personal opinion.

dimitrispearljam

is what all presidents of empires do.....wars.....from day 1 of this planet..

Godfather.

Kat wrote:

I'm sorry but it's the President's responsibility (of ANY POLITICAL PARTY, I don't care which one.) to be absolutely sure about what he's doing when he takes us to war knowing that citizens of both countries will die. That's his responsibility...maybe the biggest one he has and it's supposed to be the responsibility of the Congress too so the deaths and blood is on both of them. I still want to see the leaders of countries go into a room to settle their disagreement and only one comes out, unless they can decide to resolve the issue.

Besides, I thought Bush took us to war because of the assassination attempt on his dad. He was just looking for an excuse and someone gave it to him so he didn't care if it was real.

Just my personal opinion.

you've entered the den on this one Kat so who do we hold responsible for 911 ? and I'm not looking for conspiracy theory's, this country got kicked in the----and we reacted and now the only thing people on here say is that it's Bush's fault and I disagree,I don't like war either but wonder if anyone on here could do a better job of defending our country ? rather than throw out accusations about something they know little to nothing about other than what they find on the Internet.

Godfather.

mikepegg44

Kat wrote:

I'm sorry but it's the President's responsibility (of ANY POLITICAL PARTY, I don't care which one.) to be absolutely sure about what he's doing when he takes us to war knowing that citizens of both countries will die. That's his responsibility...maybe the biggest one he has and it's supposed to be the responsibility of the Congress too so the deaths and blood is on both of them. I still want to see the leaders of countries go into a room to settle their disagreement and only one comes out, unless they can decide to resolve the issue.

Besides, I thought Bush took us to war because of the assassination attempt on his dad. He was just looking for an excuse and someone gave it to him so he didn't care if it was real.

Just my personal opinion.

thunderdome FTW

I like the idea.

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. wrote:

you've entered the den on this one Kat so who do we hold responsible for 911 ? and I'm not looking for conspiracy theory's, this country got kicked in the----and we reacted and now the only thing people on here say is that it's Bush's fault and I disagree,I don't like war either but wonder if anyone on here could do a better job of defending our country ? rather than throw out accusations about something they know little to nothing about other than what they find on the Internet.

Godfather.

i will ask this for the hundredth time on this forum, what did iraq have to do with 9/11? and when was iraq an emminent threat or a "clear and present danger" to the united states?? and when did we need defending from iraq??

Digital Twilight

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

you've entered the den on this one Kat so who do we hold responsible for 911 ? and I'm not looking for conspiracy theory's, this country got kicked in the----and we reacted and now the only thing people on here say is that it's Bush's fault and I disagree,I don't like war either but wonder if anyone on here could do a better job of defending our country ? rather than throw out accusations about something they know little to nothing about other than what they find on the Internet.

Godfather.

i will ask this for the hundredth time on this forum, what did iraq have to do with 9/11? and when was iraq an emminent threat or a "clear and present danger" to the united states?? and when did we need defending from iraq??

Yeah this post left me puzzled to. What did the attacks on 9/11 have to do with Iraq?

I guess maybe it was easier to convince the uninformed public to go to war with Iraq maybe? :?

Jason P

Whether Bush lied or not, once the truth was clear, I was very disappointed that he did not resign from office. He made a huge mistake and one that cannot be brushed off easily.

mikepegg44

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

you've entered the den on this one Kat so who do we hold responsible for 911 ? and I'm not looking for conspiracy theory's, this country got kicked in the----and we reacted and now the only thing people on here say is that it's Bush's fault and I disagree,I don't like war either but wonder if anyone on here could do a better job of defending our country ? rather than throw out accusations about something they know little to nothing about other than what they find on the Internet.

Godfather.

i will ask this for the hundredth time on this forum, what did iraq have to do with 9/11? and when was iraq an emminent threat or a "clear and present danger" to the united states?? and when did we need defending from iraq??

exactly.

gimmesometruth27

and obama should have sought charges against bush and cheney and powell, and rummy, et al.. or he could have at least allowed other countries to pursue charges. instead obama sent the message to the rest of the world that what bush did was ok, that lying to start a war and killing potentially a million iraqis in direct violation of international law is permissable, and that we as a country will tolerate that and let them walk freely among the rest of us.

people go to jail for having a pound of weed, yet you decide to kill hundreds of thousands of people and destabilize an entire country and possibly an entire region on a pack of lies and you face no consequence.... no wonder the rest of the world thinks we are messed up...

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

you've entered the den on this one Kat so who do we hold responsible for 911 ? and I'm not looking for conspiracy theory's, this country got kicked in the----and we reacted and now the only thing people on here say is that it's Bush's fault and I disagree,I don't like war either but wonder if anyone on here could do a better job of defending our country ? rather than throw out accusations about something they know little to nothing about other than what they find on the Internet.

Godfather.

i will ask this for the hundredth time on this forum, what did iraq have to do with 9/11? and when was iraq an emminent threat or a "clear and present danger" to the united states?? and when did we need defending from iraq??

I don't know if they did or did not NO more than you do. "so who do we hold responsible for 911 ? "
all you people on here seem to think" well gee who did that to us ?"...musta been a mistake or it was done by Bush to cover up his mistakes...yea right.


Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. wrote:

I don't know if they did or did not NO more than you do. "so who do we hold responsible for 911 ? "
all you people on here seem to think" well gee who did that to us ?"...musta been a mistake or it was done by Bush to cover up his mistakes...yea right.


Godfather.

you might not know who is responsible, but actually, i read and i do know who is responsible for 9/11. a bunch of saudis who were financed by OBL and al qaeda carried out a plan hatched by khalid shiekh muhammad. a search of archives of any reputable news website, preferrably international, should provide anyone with some answers. people can play like they don't know who did it, like it is some great mystery like the JFK assassination...but it is pretty obvious when an intelligence report titled "osama bin laden derermined to strike the united states" using planes as weapons and he later clams responsibility in a videotaped message.. and it is also well documented saddam and al qaeda were not even allies, they were at odds actually. it is also becoming more well documented that bush just wanted any sort of excuse to justify attacking iraq. let's list the reasons bush said we had to invade iraq shall we??

1. saddam was involved with 9/11
2. saddam had stockpiles of gas and other wmds and was getting yellow cake uranium from niger
3. he was working on getting a "nukuler" bomb and that he was an immediate threat to his neighbors and the US because curveball said so...
4. we needed to liberate the people of iraq and give them freedom and democracy (because god knows those muslims hated us for having that same freedom, right??)
5. we had to depose him for gassing his own people
6. because "this is the man who tried to kill my dad"

and there are a few others i can not think of off the top of my head, but they were all lies and they were all bullshit reasons to do what we did..

Digital Twilight

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

you've entered the den on this one Kat so who do we hold responsible for 911 ? and I'm not looking for conspiracy theory's, this country got kicked in the----and we reacted and now the only thing people on here say is that it's Bush's fault and I disagree,I don't like war either but wonder if anyone on here could do a better job of defending our country ? rather than throw out accusations about something they know little to nothing about other than what they find on the Internet.

Godfather.

i will ask this for the hundredth time on this forum, what did iraq have to do with 9/11? and when was iraq an emminent threat or a "clear and present danger" to the united states?? and when did we need defending from iraq??

I don't know if they did or did not NO more than you do. "so who do we hold responsible for 911 ? "
all you people on here seem to think" well gee who did that to us ?"...musta been a mistake or it was done by Bush to cover up his mistakes...yea right.


Godfather.

Wha?

So in other words you haven't a clue so you are just clutching at straws?

'I have no evidence Iraq had anything to do with it but we went to war with them so they must be'

That's your logic? :roll:

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I don't know if they did or did not NO more than you do. "so who do we hold responsible for 911 ? "
all you people on here seem to think" well gee who did that to us ?"...musta been a mistake or it was done by Bush to cover up his mistakes...yea right.


Godfather.

you might not know who is responsible, but actually, i read and i do know who is responsible for 9/11. a bunch of saudis who were financed by OBL and al qaeda carried out a plan hatched by khalid shiekh muhammad. a search of archives of any reputable news website, preferrably international, should provide anyone with some answers. people can play like they don't know who did it, like it is some great mystery like the JFK assassination...but it is pretty obvious when an intelligence report titled "osama bin laden derermined to strike the united states" using planes as weapons and he later clams responsibility in a videotaped message.. and it is also well documented saddam and al qaeda were not even allies, they were at odds actually. it is also becoming more well documented that bush just wanted any sort of excuse to justify attacking iraq. let's list the reasons bush said we had to invade iraq shall we??

1. saddam was involved with 9/11
2. saddam had stockpiles of gas and other wmds and was getting yellow cake uranium from niger
3. he was working on getting a "nukuler" bomb and that he was an immediate threat to his neighbors and the US because curveball said so...
4. we needed to liberate the people of iraq and give them freedom and democracy (because god knows those muslims hated us for having that same freedom, right??)
5. we had to depose him for gassing his own people
6. because "this is the man who tried to kill my dad"

and there are a few others i can not think of off the top of my head, but they were all lies and they were all bullshit reasons to do what we did..

I remember hearing all those reasons and my thought was "I wonder if this is true or not" but I have talked to people that lived Iran at the time and they all said they were happy to see saddam out,apperently he was a real a-hole along with his kids, these people I'm talking about own the liquor store by my house and had some storys but not too discriptive, they still seemed afraid of him or something else.

Godfather.

ed243421

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I don't know if they did or did not NO more than you do. "so who do we hold responsible for 911 ? "
all you people on here seem to think" well gee who did that to us ?"...musta been a mistake or it was done by Bush to cover up his mistakes...yea right.


Godfather.

you might not know who is responsible, but actually, i read and i do know who is responsible for 9/11. a bunch of saudis who were financed by OBL and al qaeda carried out a plan hatched by khalid shiekh muhammad. a search of archives of any reputable news website, preferrably international, should provide anyone with some answers. people can play like they don't know who did it, like it is some great mystery like the JFK assassination...but it is pretty obvious when an intelligence report titled "osama bin laden derermined to strike the united states" using planes as weapons and he later clams responsibility in a videotaped message.. and it is also well documented saddam and al qaeda were not even allies, they were at odds actually. it is also becoming more well documented that bush just wanted any sort of excuse to justify attacking iraq. let's list the reasons bush said we had to invade iraq shall we??

1. saddam was involved with 9/11
2. saddam had stockpiles of gas and other wmds and was getting yellow cake uranium from niger
3. he was working on getting a "nukuler" bomb and that he was an immediate threat to his neighbors and the US because curveball said so...
4. we needed to liberate the people of iraq and give them freedom and democracy (because god knows those muslims hated us for having that same freedom, right??)
5. we had to depose him for gassing his own people
6. because "this is the man who tried to kill my dad"

and there are a few others i can not think of off the top of my head, but they were all lies and they were all bullshit reasons to do what we did..

I remember hearing all those reasons and my thought was "I wonder if this is true or not" but I have talked to people that lived Iran at the time and they all said they were happy to see saddam out,apperently he was a real a-hole along with his kids, these people I'm talking about own the liquor store by my house and had some storys but not too discriptive, they still seemed afraid of him or something else.

Godfather.

g-
you must mean iraq, right?

so you've done research and collected facts and what you come up with is that a war with iraq was a logical response to 4 planes hijacked by 15 saudi arabians, 2 united arab emeratis, a lebanese and an egyptian?

or do you just leave logic up to corrupt polititians?

Godfather.

hay G I shoulda knew you couldn't resist jumping in on this, good to see ya buddy !
hope is well in your hood,have a nice day.

Godfather.

josevolution

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/fe ... ements-wmd

zarocat

This movie was already made. It was called Green Zone staring Matt Damon.
The U.S. fuckin' knew that all the info was bullshit.
I wonder how many zero's his swiss bank account has (and his families too) for
coming forward in 2011 ?

Whatever ... give me something I'm not use too

ed243421

Godfather. wrote:

hay G I shoulda knew you couldn't resist jumping in on this, good to see ya buddy !
hope is well in your hood,have a nice day.

Godfather.

well played
curse you, g
once again you've exposed my weakness
well played indeed

'til we meet again

haffajappa

Digital Twilight wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I don't know if they did or did not NO more than you do. "so who do we hold responsible for 911 ? "
all you people on here seem to think" well gee who did that to us ?"...musta been a mistake or it was done by Bush to cover up his mistakes...yea right.


Godfather.

Wha?

So in other words you haven't a clue so you are just clutching at straws?

'I have no evidence Iraq had anything to do with it but we went to war with them so they must be'

That's your logic? :roll:

As long as its a bunch of people on the other side of the world who are dying, it's okay if the president went to war on his present whims.

Byrnzie

Kat wrote:

I'm sorry but it's the President's responsibility (of ANY POLITICAL PARTY, I don't care which one.) to be absolutely sure about what he's doing when he takes us to war knowing that citizens of both countries will die. That's his responsibility...maybe the biggest one he has and it's supposed to be the responsibility of the Congress too so the deaths and blood is on both of them. I still want to see the leaders of countries go into a room to settle their disagreement and only one comes out, unless they can decide to resolve the issue.

:thumbup:

Kat wrote:

Besides, I thought Bush took us to war because of the assassination attempt on his dad. He was just looking for an excuse and someone gave it to him so he didn't care if it was real.

That was just one of the reasons he used - Bill Clinton used the same excuse as far back as 1993: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/in ... 062793.htm - though I doubt very much this justification would have received any endorsement at the U.N Security Council.

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

I don't know if they did or did not NO more than you do. "so who do we hold responsible for 911 ? "

Just any Arab nation will do, right?

It doesn't matter if there's any evidence of Iraqi involvement or not - and the fact is, there isn't any evidence, because they had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 or with Al Queda. But they're Arabs, so they're guilty by association, right?

Or do you know something I don't?

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

I don't know if they did or did not NO more than you do. "so who do we hold responsible for 911 ? "

Here's a question for you Godfather: After 9/11 why did the U.S not attack Sweden? Because as far as we know Sweden had nothing to do with 9/11...but then again, maybe they did, so why didn't you drop bombs on Sweden and then occupy their country?

Godfather.

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I don't know if they did or did not NO more than you do. "so who do we hold responsible for 911 ? "

Here's a question for you Godfather: After 9/11 why did the U.S not attack Sweden? Because as far as we know Sweden had nothing to do with 9/11...but then again, maybe they did, so why didn't you drop bombs on Sweden and then occupy their country?

nice Byrnzie but if we did that my kid wouldn't be able to race the world BMX competition this year and everybody knows some of the most beautiful women in the world are in sweden...japan is a close runner up.

Godfather.

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

everybody knows some of the most beautiful women in the world are in sweden...japan is a close runner up.

This is true.

Godfather.

ed243421 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

hay G I shoulda knew you couldn't resist jumping in on this, good to see ya buddy !
hope is well in your hood,have a nice day.

Godfather.

well played
curse you, g
once again you've exposed my weakness
well played indeed

'til we meet again

looking forward to it my friend.

Godfather.

lukin2006

You know who was responsible for 911? those hijackers were!!! apparently financed by Asbin laden!!! ultimately those hijackers were responsible, they could have changed their mind at any time.

As far as I'm concerned the terrorist have won, you pretty much have to jump through hoops at the airport to fly.

Here at the northern border can be a real headache getting across.

How many rights have been surrender in the name of security?

"He that gives up freedoms for security, deserves neither." -Ben Franklin

gimmesometruth27

lukin2006 wrote:

You know who was responsible for 911? those hijackers were!!! apparently financed by Asbin laden!!! ultimately those hijackers were responsible, they could have changed their mind at any time.

As far as I'm concerned the terrorist have won, you pretty much have to jump through hoops at the airport to fly.

Here at the northern border can be a real headache getting across.

How many rights have been surrender in the name of security?

"He that gives up freedoms for security, deserves neither." -Ben Franklin

just to add to your post, i don't think those things that we have lost/given away/been taken away are considered "rights" anymore. i think those things are now "privileges". privileges can be taken away, while rights are inalienable. and yes, the terrorists have won in that respect. those safeguards and hoops at airports are not going away anytime soon.

lukin2006

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

You know who was responsible for 911? those hijackers were!!! apparently financed by Asbin laden!!! ultimately those hijackers were responsible, they could have changed their mind at any time.

As far as I'm concerned the terrorist have won, you pretty much have to jump through hoops at the airport to fly.

Here at the northern border can be a real headache getting across.

How many rights have been surrender in the name of security?

"He that gives up freedoms for security, deserves neither." -Ben Franklin

just to add to your post, i don't think those things that we have lost/given away/been taken away are considered "rights" anymore. i think those things are now "privileges". privileges can be taken away, while rights are inalienable. and yes, the terrorists have won in that respect. those safeguards and hoops at airports are not going away anytime soon.

I agree they are not going anywhere, but the security is getting crazy, and every time they away one's rights it makes it easier to do in the future.