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Riot Act Irony

PilatesBettermanPilatesBetterman Posts: 306
edited April 2008 in The Porch
Kinda funny that the album that most ppl(not me) think is the weakest PJ album is riot Act, yet the touring of that album is arguably the best tour they've ever done.
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    thecorythecory Posts: 290
    yea i think a lot of the riot act songs sound much better live. plus i think the band seemed less pissed off than in 2000 tour. like them playing 'alive'.
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    slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,757
    thecory wrote:
    yea i think a lot of the riot act songs sound much better live. plus i think the band seemed less pissed off than in 2000 tour. like them playing 'alive'.

    What made you think they were pissed off in 2000?
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    Solat13Solat13 Philadelphia Posts: 6,996
    Personally I thought the 98 tour was the best, but everyone has their favs.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
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    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    Ed was always pissed until some time around Riot Act or Binaural. I wonder why it changed? i like him better now.
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    Solat13Solat13 Philadelphia Posts: 6,996
    MrSmith wrote:
    Ed was always pissed until some time around Riot Act or Binaural. I wonder why it changed? i like him better now.

    He's gone from an angry young man trying to fight for too many causes to a happy drunk who is happy in his own skin now and picks his battles now.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
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    Gremmie95Gremmie95 Posts: 749
    MrSmith wrote:
    Ed was always pissed until some time around Riot Act or Binaural. I wonder why it changed? i like him better now.

    just a guess but maybe becoming a father took some of the angst away.
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    Murderers.Murderers. Posts: 1,382
    Solat13 wrote:
    Personally I thought the 98 tour was the best, but everyone has their favs.
    I like 95 at the moment. It changes a lot though.
    What the fuck is this world?
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    Steve DunneSteve Dunne Posts: 4,965
    Early 90's does it for me...can't recreate that ferocity...but yes the 03 shows were fantastic.
    I love to turn you on
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    WEAPONX24WEAPONX24 Posts: 131
    Steve Dunne wrote:
    Early 90's does it for me...can't recreate that ferocity...but yes the 03 shows were fantastic.

    i agree here...nothing beats the early 90s...nothing can match the amount of intensity the band put into the shows...
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    the wolfthe wolf Posts: 7,027
    i like em all, the last tour is always the best for me. i like to watch how they grow and change. so as it stands, the 06 tour is my fave.
    Peace, Love.

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    thecorythecory Posts: 290
    slightofjeff wrote:
    What made you think they were pissed off in 2000?
    well no playing of alive (until final show i think). -he told a beautiful story on story tellers about it.

    maybe not pissed, but in a different mind set than 03'. i am comparing the oo tour from touring band, 1 show at jones beach and a couple boots to the 03 tour when i saw them twice and a couple boots. so i'm not an expert but ed seemed more into cheering up the crowd and being happy with them as apposed to the more standoffish way he gave great and agressive shows in 2000. also remember 2000 tour was denmark. everyone was at peace in 03 and i loved it and it came at the right time in my life. i met my girlfriend of five years the day i went to a show at pnc in holmdel nj on 7/14. looking back that week of seeing pearl jam was one of if not the best week in my life at a time when everything else sucked. off topic but i love this band.
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    PJamGrunge10PJamGrunge10 California Posts: 594
    Eddie's voice was at its weakest during the 2003 tour, so I don't agree.
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    LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    Murderers wrote:
    I like 95 at the moment. It changes a lot though.
    same here, and '96 boots as well. I'm just a big fan of Jack! :p
    PJ- 04/29/2003.06/24,25,27,28,30/2008.10/27,28,30,31/2009
    EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
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    CopTheRiotActCopTheRiotAct Posts: 953
    I like that different things about every tour, good and bad that makes them unique. Makes listening to PJ boots a greater experience.. for example

    (in my opinion)
    Ten VS tours -
    GOOD: great energy and sound (craziness)
    BAD: not variety in sets due to not many albums

    Vitalogy
    GOOD - great rockin vibe, setlists taking shape
    BAD - EDs voice a bit too rough for me

    No Code
    only listened to a few,
    GOOD: nice because of the no code tunes played, good sound, ed calming down?
    BAD: i dont know?

    Yield
    GOOD: fresh new sound with matt cameron. Songs sound cleaner and tighter
    BAD: Many older tunes lost from setlists (matt cameron new?)

    Binaural
    GOOD: great warm sound on guitar, drums and vocals, great setlists with binaural rares
    BAD: More older songs went missing from sets again, sad vibe cause o' denmark tragedy in US shows.

    Riot Act
    GOOD: the start o' a new attitude towards live shows, great setlist mixups! some old tunes return, eds communication with crowd starting
    BAD: some random setlists dont flow too well, some energy lost? eds voice weak in songs, bad why go?!

    Canada South America shows
    GOOD: fun setlists, great vibes, new energy, effort put into making setlists flow, eds voice picking up
    BAD: I dont know? boots sometimes sound funny?

    AVOCADO
    GOOD: setlists flow real well, more old tunes revived, more energy, sound is real tight, band is rockin out more?
    BAD: setlists lost some randomness, riot act/binaural forgotten about!
    ...The Moon is Rollin' Round....
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    SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYC Posts: 25,874
    PilatesBetterman wrote:
    Kinda funny that the album that most ppl(not me) think is the weakest PJ album is riot Act, yet the touring of that album is arguably the best tour they've ever done.

    ive thought of that too. for years ive heard riot act is their worst but the 03 tour was insane.
    severed hand thirteen

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    bird jambird jam Posts: 107
    Just about every tour is "arguably the best tour they've ever done." But I would never personally argue that the Riot Act tour is their best. Of the tours I have seen them on, here is how I would rank them:

    1. Yield
    2. Vs.
    3. Binaural
    4. Avocado
    5. Riot Act
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    fall by the waysidefall by the wayside Jericho, VT Posts: 753
    I like different tours for different reasons. Arguably the greatest strength of the Riot Act tour is that this is when PJ really started mixing things up setlist wise. Both with the setlists and with the vibe this was a very loose tour. It was also very political. Some sets went much longer than anything they had ever done. Breaking curfews every other night. Anything could happen on any given night. The Mansfield Experiment. State College. Bu$hleaguer and The Uniondale debocle. Chronological show in Holmdel, Arc 9 times, etc.

    In addition to legendary shows like the Mansfields, MSG I, and State College 2003 also had hidden gems like Buffalo, Champaign, Missoula, and Albany.
    Deep, Why Go, All Those Yesterdays, Satan's Bed (ha), and Blood were all
    brought back.

    They tried a variety of non-traditonal openers like Alive, I Am Mine, Cropduster, Arc, Present Tense, Do The Evolution, Love Boat Captain, Crazy Mary, Better Man, Animal, and Last Exit.

    2000 had been a very stressful tour after Roskilde. As a result the shows were intense and darker. Come 2003 the guys seemed to be in a good place and were really happy to be playing live. The shows reflect it in both their length, onstage demeanor, and their willingness to mix setlists up.
    9/13/98, 10/4/00, 4/29/03, 6/29/03, 7/2/03, 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 9/15/05, 9/16/05, 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/15/10, 9/11/11, 9/12/11, 10/19/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 10/25/13, 10/27/13, 9/26/15, 4/28/16, 4/29/16, 8/5/16, 8/7/16, 8/13/18, 9/2/18, 9/4/18, 9/26/21, 9/1/22, 9/2/22, 9/14/22, 9/18/23, 9/19/23
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    MahoneMahone Posts: 62
    I saw them in Boston on the 06 tour, they seemed like they were going through the motions and playing just a show, there were no extended jams/tags (that I remember) on songs like Even Flow and Better Man, lack of "rare" songs or covers (I swear they play RITFW or Fuckin Up EVERY time they're in Boston.) They just seemed to lack energy. that was the only show I saw that year, but it was definitely the worst.
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    rival.rival. Chicago Posts: 7,776
    2000 tour was the best. ed's vocals and the entire band was on point throughout.
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    faithful2youfaithful2you Madison, WI Posts: 778
    IMO....the '98 was amazing.......when they made their comeback after everyone called them dead in the water after No Code. The '98 tour was a reconnection and they started to have fun.
    Like a word misplaced...nothing said...what a waste
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    pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    Solat13 wrote:
    Personally I thought the 98 tour was the best, but everyone has their favs.

    that was an insane tour!

    it was their St. Louis comeback show, hadnt been here for 7 years and they played one hell of a set list

    Set List: Oceans, Hail Hail, Brain Of J., Spin The Black Circle, Tremor Christ, Given To Fly, In Hiding, Corduroy, MFC, Wishlist, Nothingman, Improv into Habit, Even Flow, Daughter/(Institution by Suicidal Tendencies), Immortality, Black, Alive; 1st Encore: Do The Evolution, Jeremy, I Got Shit, Better Man/(Save It For Later), Fuckin' Up; 2nd Encore: Yellow Ledbetter
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    slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,757
    PJamGrunge10 wrote:
    Eddie's voice was at its weakest during the 2003 tour, so I don't agree.

    You're joking right?

    Ed was great in '03. You couldn't tell the difference in Blood from that tour and Blood from '95. I specifically remember standing there in Houston, hearing that song and thinking, you know, if Ed hadn't cut his hair, I could swear this was '95.

    Couple that with his newfound ability to do shit like Arc, and that tour was pretty bad ass from a vocal perspective.

    IMO, 1998 and 2000 was maybe the worst (by ed standards) because he seemed caught between "grunge growling ed" and "ed who actually knows how to sing." it was a little off-putting.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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    slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,757
    Mahone wrote:
    I saw them in Boston on the 06 tour, they seemed like they were going through the motions and playing just a show, there were no extended jams/tags (that I remember) on songs like Even Flow and Better Man, lack of "rare" songs or covers (I swear they play RITFW or Fuckin Up EVERY time they're in Boston.) They just seemed to lack energy. that was the only show I saw that year, but it was definitely the worst.

    And see, I saw them five times that year, and they were great. Those SF shows were pretty intense ... Mike smashing guitars, Ed flying all over the place, Jeff jumping up and down, Ed going out into the crowd for Last Kiss.

    I was impressed by the energy these old motherfuckers were still able to summon.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
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    Charger74Charger74 Posts: 59
    2000 Binaural tour- I love the sound of Stone's guitar. Black, DTE, Breakerfall, Brain of J, Once, I could go on. His guitar sounds beyond awesome.

    2003 Riot Act tour- I don't know what he changed, but it sounds 1/4 as good. And on Black, it sounds like he's playing with a toy guitar from Wal-Mart for $16.99.
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    6-16-08 COLUMBIA, SC
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    PJamGrunge10PJamGrunge10 California Posts: 594
    slightofjeff wrote:
    You're joking right?

    No, when I listen to Go and Breath from that tour, it sounds really bad to me. There's no intensity at all.


    It's funny that you mention Blood because that and DTE are the only aggressive songs I can think of that he sang really well that tour.
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    Big ManBig Man Posts: 97
    PJamGrunge10 wrote:
    Eddie's voice was at its weakest during the 2003 tour, so I don't agree.

    Eds voive was great during the 2003 tour, so I agree.
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    Big ManBig Man Posts: 97
    singularity wrote:
    2000 tour was the best. ed's vocals and the entire band was on point throughout.


    yes... wonder where they would have gone if denmark didnt happen....


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cdLSYjKpzA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wEDpzgBI1w
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    slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,757
    PJamGrunge10 wrote:
    No, when I listen to Go and Breath from that tour, it sounds really bad to me. There's no intensity at all.


    It's funny that you mention Blood because that and DTE are the only aggressive songs I can think of that he sang really well that tour.

    I'm going to disagree with you on Breath. There are some great versions of Breath from that tour. And unlike in 2000, he actually remembers all the lyrics.

    Go, I'll give you, but it has nothing to do with Ed's voice. It's obvious to me some of those older songs (Go, RVM, even Even Flow) don't mean as much to the band any more, and they just kind of go through the motions during them. This wasn't just a product of 2003. It was that way in '06 as well.

    Sometimes, I wish they'd stop playing them if they don't want to.

    Really, every tour post-2000, Ed's voice has been pretty damn good.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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    MichaelMcKevinMichaelMcKevin Posts: 1,161
    Murder wrote:
    Yield
    GOOD: fresh new sound with matt cameron. Songs sound cleaner and tighter
    BAD: Many older tunes lost from setlists (matt cameron new?)


    Matt Cameron wasn't on Yield. Jack Irons was.

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    Carlos DCarlos D Posts: 638
    Riot Act tour was the greatest,Ed's voice was just....I don't know what it was,it was just perfect.The energy of the shows,Ed's hair,the amazing setlists...the greatest boots I've ever heard(Mexico City,New York,Mansfield,Yokohama,The Australian shows,Uniondale etc.)

    Does the 2005 tour count as Riot Act,that was incredible too,those South American fans could teach the rest of the world a thing or two about enjoying a concert.

    As for the Avacado tour,saw them in the Point in Dublin and did not live up to my expectations(hate to sound ungrateful cos I'm not)which I think stemmed from just how great the 2003 shows were. I dunno,hope they they worry more about just making a good,honest album and tour with the next one rather than 'making their best album since Ten and VS.!' as was the tagline for that album and tour.Not to bring their integrity into question,I just think they're happier doing what they want to do with their music and judging by a lot of the 2006 shows(Reading being a notable exception) they need some sort of morale boost.
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