Scientology

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    samsonite wrote:
    i see.

    we (christians) do believe some weird things. of course, if we dissect anyone's belief/worldview we'll find we ALL believe in some pretty weird things.
    ...
    Which is the truth... ALL religions believe in some pretty wierd things. Whether it is spaceships, talking snakes, women made from a rib, reincarnation, volcanoes, etc... it's fine. It is called 'Faith'. Belief in something that cannot be proven... just like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or leprechauns.
    I have no problems with religions... EXCEPT when they try to apply their beliefs on my life. I say, believe what you may... and go through your journey in peace. Just do me the same favor and let me go my way.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • ONCE DEVIDED
    ONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Lizard wrote:
    A few years ago I read about them strictly from the internet ---mostly anti-member boards-- to get their take. VERY WEIRD and you have to pay a lot of $$$$ to move up to the next level.

    I also recently was read about Mormonism since I was curious---they have some beliefs that are whack (to me)-- like the Earth is only 10,000 years old, Dinosaurs did not live on earth but God brought their bones over here (not sure why!!), the Garden of Eden was in MISSOURI somewhere and also, the sun is powered by some other planet!!!!!!!!!


    (cue the Twilight Zone music) :D

    If dinosaurs never lived here, how do they explain Fred Flintsone's crane at Mr. Slate's quarry?

    thanks for clearing that up for me LMAO
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Lizard wrote:
    A few years ago I read about them strictly from the internet ---mostly anti-member boards-- to get their take. VERY WEIRD and you have to pay a lot of $$$$ to move up to the next level.

    I also recently was read about Mormonism since I was curious---they have some beliefs that are whack (to me)-- like the Earth is only 10,000 years old, Dinosaurs did not live on earth but God brought their bones over here (not sure why!!), the Garden of Eden was in MISSOURI somewhere and also, the sun is powered by some other planet!!!!!!!!!


    (cue the Twilight Zone music) :D
    ..and the lost Jewish tribe that migrated to North America a couple of thousand years or so back
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    tybird wrote:
    ..and the lost Jewish tribe that migrated to North America a couple of thousand years or so back
    ...
    Made a wrong turn at the intersection of Sodom Blvd. and Jericho Street and ended up in Missouri. Yeah... that is one lost motherfuckin' tribe, Jack.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011 ... ntPage=all
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    norm wrote:
    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wright?currentPage=all

    Just got my New Yorker in the mail today. Really looking forward to reading this. The article is getting crazy hype.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    They once collared me on the street in Brighton, England, and I went along with it for a couple of weeks. They got me to fill out a form and then persuaded me to go along to one of their seminars. After that, and after having read about 100 pages of the book by L. Ron Hubbard, I decided it was all a load of bollocks and so didn't want anything more to do with it. But they kept phnoning me, trying to get me to go back. They were still calling me about a year later.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited February 2011
    kl277374 wrote:
    The most interesting thing about it is that it began as a bet between L. Ron Hubbard and Philip K. Dick (Minority Report, among others). Or so I've heard. They were both writing students and they bet each other as to who could start a religion first.
    Urban legend? Maybe. But it's just too ridiculous to be less than skeptical. Kind of seems like the bet is a feasible explanation.

    Philip K. Dick was one crazy dude (or was he?). I need to learn more about him.

    BBC Arena Documentary here:

    Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJehaCfn ... 2E92B08279
    Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhUXP_gL ... re=related
    Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhg3GYtC ... re=related
    Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYpuDLHI ... re=related
    Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_UR4m0- ... re=related
    Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKcpNJHa ... re=related
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  • pickupyourwill
    pickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    So, I just read a little. I don't have the time right now. But I couldn't help thinking...my, what a lot of weird stuff in their father Hubbard's cupboard, eh? lol
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    L. Ron Hubbard = Timothy Leary ?...turn on tune out :lol:

    Godfather.
  • samsonite
    samsonite Posts: 210
    Cosmo wrote:
    samsonite wrote:
    i see.

    we (christians) do believe some weird things. of course, if we dissect anyone's belief/worldview we'll find we ALL believe in some pretty weird things.
    ...
    Which is the truth... ALL religions believe in some pretty wierd things. Whether it is spaceships, talking snakes, women made from a rib, reincarnation, volcanoes, etc... it's fine. It is called 'Faith'. Belief in something that cannot be proven... just like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or leprechauns.
    I have no problems with religions... EXCEPT when they try to apply their beliefs on my life. I say, believe what you may... and go through your journey in peace. Just do me the same favor and let me go my way.

    agreed. but i would also add that someone expressing their faith is not the same as forcing another to also believe. i think sometimes the distinction is lost and results in frustration on both sides.
    grace and peace
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    samsonite wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    samsonite wrote:
    i see.

    we (christians) do believe some weird things. of course, if we dissect anyone's belief/worldview we'll find we ALL believe in some pretty weird things.
    ...
    Which is the truth... ALL religions believe in some pretty wierd things. Whether it is spaceships, talking snakes, women made from a rib, reincarnation, volcanoes, etc... it's fine. It is called 'Faith'. Belief in something that cannot be proven... just like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or leprechauns.
    I have no problems with religions... EXCEPT when they try to apply their beliefs on my life. I say, believe what you may... and go through your journey in peace. Just do me the same favor and let me go my way.

    agreed. but i would also add that someone expressing their faith is not the same as forcing another to also believe. i think sometimes the distinction is lost and results in frustration on both sides.

    good call.

    Godfather.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    samsonite wrote:
    agreed. but i would also add that someone expressing their faith is not the same as forcing another to also believe. i think sometimes the distinction is lost and results in frustration on both sides.
    ...
    I completely agree with you. Faith is personal and you use it to guide you through your life. If you want to celebreate your belief... not a problem.
    I take issue with people wanting to LEGISLATE based upon their religious belief. Prayer in schools is an example. I have no problem with individual kids praying... I am opposed to school mandated prayers LEAD by school authority figures. That places one religion over all. Private religious schools... no problem. Public tax funded schools... problem.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    I think scientology is wacky ... yet most people in it seem happier then the average person. hmm ...

    I had a supervisor in San Diego that wanted to help me with my public speaking and gave me a number to call that offered classes to help. When I called it, the church of scientology answered ... I hung up immediately assuming I dialed the wrong number. I re-dialed and the same person answered ... and I hung up immediately once again.

    My rule of thumb is that if you are going to try to entice me into a religion, it has to have been around longer then my parents ... with the exception of the Jedi Order that is. It's hard to shoot holes into something that has been around for thousands of years, but if it's some dude who wrote science fiction books for a living ... and founded a religion that is based upon space aliens ... well, they have better have some super good looking females to seduce me in. It's going to take more then a speaking class and a book to fool me. ;)
    Be Excellent To Each Other
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  • blondieblue227
    blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    you can shoot holes in any religion regardless of its age.
    *~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*

  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,822
    blondieblue227 wrote:
    you can shoot holes in any religion regardless of its age.


    I agree, but it seems like an older religion with wacky rules has more credibility, since there isn't much proof of what really happened during the early stages.
  • blondieblue227
    blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:

    I agree, but it seems like an older religion with wacky rules has more credibility, since there isn't much proof of what really happened during the early stages.

    sorry i still disagree.
    age does not equal credibility as far as religion goes.
    *~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    when our time comes to pass then we will know,is it a gamble worth taking ?
    I'm not looking for a argument I'm just asking, anybody may believe as they wish
    I wouldn't judge anybody for their beliefs.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    blondieblue227 wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:

    I agree, but it seems like an older religion with wacky rules has more credibility, since there isn't much proof of what really happened during the early stages.

    sorry i still disagree.
    age does not equal credibility as far as religion goes.

    sounds fair but what does give credibility to any religion ? is it faith. ;)

    Godfather.
  • samsonite
    samsonite Posts: 210
    Cosmo wrote:
    samsonite wrote:
    agreed. but i would also add that someone expressing their faith is not the same as forcing another to also believe. i think sometimes the distinction is lost and results in frustration on both sides.
    ...
    I completely agree with you. Faith is personal and you use it to guide you through your life. If you want to celebreate your belief... not a problem.
    I take issue with people wanting to LEGISLATE based upon their religious belief. Prayer in schools is an example. I have no problem with individual kids praying... I am opposed to school mandated prayers LEAD by school authority figures. That places one religion over all. Private religious schools... no problem. Public tax funded schools... problem.

    i completely agree, especially when it comes to prayer in schools.

    where this gets tough to enforce is that everyone's faith functions as a worldview, which influences their choices in supporting, opposing, or creating legislation. now, i don't believe that christians, muslims, or any other faith should be forcing their practices on anyone through legislation, but it is impossible to suggest that anyone, of any faith, will function independent of their worldview. so christian lawmakers are going to support legislation that fits their understanding of a christian worldview, likewise muslim lawmakers are going to support legislation that fits their understanding of a muslim worldview, same for jews, atheists, etc. thankfully we can agree on a lot of the big stuff regardless of our faith differences.

    in my opinion. :D
    grace and peace

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