Scientology

Gern Blansten

I used to think that Scientology was just a tax dodge...a way for wealthy snobs to make tax deductible contributions to a "religious" organization while that organization provided them with benefits like travel/entertainment/etc

These people are fucked....

http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/6.htm

http://www.scientology.org/

Have any of you dug into this?

Lizard

A few years ago I read about them strictly from the internet ---mostly anti-member boards-- to get their take. VERY WEIRD and you have to pay a lot of $$$$ to move up to the next level.

I also recently was read about Mormonism since I was curious---they have some beliefs that are whack (to me)-- like the Earth is only 10,000 years old, Dinosaurs did not live on earth but God brought their bones over here (not sure why!!), the Garden of Eden was in MISSOURI somewhere and also, the sun is powered by some other planet!!!!!!!!!


(cue the Twilight Zone music)

CJMST3K

...on the first read, I thought Lizard say "Moronism".

Pepe Silvia

Lizard wrote:

Dinosaurs did not live on earth but God brought their bones over here (not sure why

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwskEE_Ks_g

Lizard

Pepe Silvia wrote:

Lizard wrote:

Dinosaurs did not live on earth but God brought their bones over here (not sure why

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwskEE_Ks_g

Well thanks for that---now it ALL makes sense!!

kl277374

The most interesting thing about it is that it began as a bet between L. Ron Hubbard and Philip K. Dick (Minority Report, among others). Or so I've heard. They were both writing students and they bet each other as to who could start a religion first.
Urban legend? Maybe. But it's just too ridiculous to be less than skeptical. Kind of seems like the bet is a feasible explanation.

Gern Blansten

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFx4NvSh ... re=related

kind of funny

Jason P

I worked with a guy in San Diego that tried to turn me on to Scientology. I knew enough about the origins that I wanted to stay clear of it. It's one thing to place your faith in events that took place 2,000 years ago. But I'm able to shoot holes in any religion that has come about in the last 100 years. The whole background story is just absurd.

But I will say this, the scientologists all seem to be very happy and decent human beings. Maybe the real joke is on us . . .

FiveB247x

All religions are absolutely ridiculous on some obvious level if you don't yourself believe them. Half the world believe in zombie's or talking snakes, yet this is the mark of Christianity and the Bible. :shock:

Gern Blansten

yeah I always think it is interesting to hear christians say how ridiculous Scientology or the LDS beliefs are when they do the zombie thing

dcfaithful

Lizard wrote:

I also recently was read about Mormonism since I was curious---they have some beliefs that are whack (to me)-- like the Earth is only 10,000 years old, Dinosaurs did not live on earth but God brought their bones over here (not sure why!!), the Garden of Eden was in MISSOURI somewhere and also, the sun is powered by some other planet!!!!!!!!!

Jesus Christ...try living in Utah.

Bill Hicks has a great bit on their belief of the Earth's age and Dinosaurs by the way.

RIP Bill...we need you.

haffajappa

Scientology is BRILLIANT
observe any religion and you'll realise how much money you can make off its believers...
now just hike up the prices and you're set.
better business plan than creating google

Smellyman

Gern Blansten wrote:

yeah I always think it is interesting to hear christians say how ridiculous Scientology or the LDS beliefs are when they do the zombie thing

Yes, don't you know Jesus was born by a virgin, crucified for our sins and rose from the dead. Extremely plausible.

haffajappa

Gern Blansten wrote:

yeah I always think it is interesting to hear christians say how ridiculous Scientology or the LDS beliefs are when they do the zombie thing

lol i've never heard someone put it that way

Gern Blansten

haffajappa wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

yeah I always think it is interesting to hear christians say how ridiculous Scientology or the LDS beliefs are when they do the zombie thing

lol i've never heard someone put it that way

heh....I didn't even get to the talking snakes and burning shrubbery yet!!

haffajappa

Gern Blansten wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

yeah I always think it is interesting to hear christians say how ridiculous Scientology or the LDS beliefs are when they do the zombie thing

lol i've never heard someone put it that way

heh....I didn't even get to the talking snakes and burning shrubbery yet!!

or that we were all populated by a form of inbreeding? :shock:

Phantom Pain

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/50824/


Church of Scientology Probed by FBI Over Human Trafficking Claims: Report


The Church of Scientology is under investigation by the FBI over allegations that it engaged in human trafficking, according to an exclusive report by Lawrence Wright of The New Yorker magazine. In other reports, the Church has denied such claims, saying the "complaint was resoundingly dismissed" by a judge.

After interviewing former members of the church, including filmmaker Paul Haggis, Wright wrote that the L. Ron Hubbard-founded group is being investigated by the FBI over accusations that it unfairly treated workers.

Citing court documents, the magazine alleged that Church leader David Miscavige engaged in violent acts against staff and members, claims that Miscavige and Scientology have denied.

Wright, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, reported that at Gold Base, a main church headquarters in the California desert, Miscavige instructed Scientology leaders to be "violent" and "aggressive" in disciplining members of the Sea Org, the group’s religious order.

The New Yorker story also said the church subjected its members to forced labor camps.

“Sea Org members who have ‘failed to fulfill their ecclesiastical responsibilities’ may be sent to one of the church’s several Rehabilitation Project Force locations,” the article said. “Defectors describe them as punitive reeducation camps.”

Wright interviewed a former member, Claire Headley, who filed a lawsuit against the church.

“Every last trace of my life, as I knew it, was thrown away,” she told Wright. “It was like living in George Orwell’s ‘1984.’”

Citing former Scientology members, Wright also wrote that Miscavige drove around in fleets of luxury cars, flew on chartered jets, and lived a life of luxury. Wright noted that the Church also denied that these allegations were factual.

The Australian obtained a statement from the church which rejected the accusations against it found in Wright’s article.

"The Church [of Scientology] has never been advised of any government investigation, a fact The New Yorker knew before it went to print,” the church said in a statement obtained by the newspaper.

“Moreover, the subject of the alleged investigation was recently raised in a lawsuit by the same individuals who are the sources for the article and the complaint was resoundingly dismissed by a Federal District Court Judge," it added.

AOL News reported that the FBI has closed the case, which conflicts with Wright's claims that the probe is still open. "A federal law enforcement source told AOL News the investigation has fallen short and no criminal charges are expected to be filed," the report said.

However, Wright maintained that two FBI sources close to the investigation "assured me that the case remains open."

samsonite

Gern Blansten wrote:

yeah I always think it is interesting to hear christians say how ridiculous Scientology or the LDS beliefs are when they do the zombie thing

zombies?

Gern Blansten

samsonite wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

yeah I always think it is interesting to hear christians say how ridiculous Scientology or the LDS beliefs are when they do the zombie thing

zombies?

def: a corpse brought to life

Jesus = zombie

samsonite

Gern Blansten wrote:

samsonite wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

yeah I always think it is interesting to hear christians say how ridiculous Scientology or the LDS beliefs are when they do the zombie thing

zombies?

def: a corpse brought to life

Jesus = zombie

i see.

we (christians) do believe some weird things. of course, if we dissect anyone's belief/worldview we'll find we ALL believe in some pretty weird things.

JOEJOEJOE

Lizard wrote:

A few years ago I read about them strictly from the internet ---mostly anti-member boards-- to get their take. VERY WEIRD and you have to pay a lot of $$$$ to move up to the next level.

I also recently was read about Mormonism since I was curious---they have some beliefs that are whack (to me)-- like the Earth is only 10,000 years old, Dinosaurs did not live on earth but God brought their bones over here (not sure why!!), the Garden of Eden was in MISSOURI somewhere and also, the sun is powered by some other planet!!!!!!!!!


(cue the Twilight Zone music)

If dinosaurs never lived here, how do they explain Fred Flintsone's crane at Mr. Slate's quarry?

Cosmo

samsonite wrote:

i see.

we (christians) do believe some weird things. of course, if we dissect anyone's belief/worldview we'll find we ALL believe in some pretty weird things.

...
Which is the truth... ALL religions believe in some pretty wierd things. Whether it is spaceships, talking snakes, women made from a rib, reincarnation, volcanoes, etc... it's fine. It is called 'Faith'. Belief in something that cannot be proven... just like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or leprechauns.
I have no problems with religions... EXCEPT when they try to apply their beliefs on my life. I say, believe what you may... and go through your journey in peace. Just do me the same favor and let me go my way.

ONCE DEVIDED

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Lizard wrote:

A few years ago I read about them strictly from the internet ---mostly anti-member boards-- to get their take. VERY WEIRD and you have to pay a lot of $$$$ to move up to the next level.

I also recently was read about Mormonism since I was curious---they have some beliefs that are whack (to me)-- like the Earth is only 10,000 years old, Dinosaurs did not live on earth but God brought their bones over here (not sure why!!), the Garden of Eden was in MISSOURI somewhere and also, the sun is powered by some other planet!!!!!!!!!


(cue the Twilight Zone music)

If dinosaurs never lived here, how do they explain Fred Flintsone's crane at Mr. Slate's quarry?

thanks for clearing that up for me LMAO

tybird

Lizard wrote:

A few years ago I read about them strictly from the internet ---mostly anti-member boards-- to get their take. VERY WEIRD and you have to pay a lot of $$$$ to move up to the next level.

I also recently was read about Mormonism since I was curious---they have some beliefs that are whack (to me)-- like the Earth is only 10,000 years old, Dinosaurs did not live on earth but God brought their bones over here (not sure why!!), the Garden of Eden was in MISSOURI somewhere and also, the sun is powered by some other planet!!!!!!!!!


(cue the Twilight Zone music)

..and the lost Jewish tribe that migrated to North America a couple of thousand years or so back

Cosmo

tybird wrote:

..and the lost Jewish tribe that migrated to North America a couple of thousand years or so back

...
Made a wrong turn at the intersection of Sodom Blvd. and Jericho Street and ended up in Missouri. Yeah... that is one lost motherfuckin' tribe, Jack.

norm

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011 ... ntPage=all

Cliffy6745

norm wrote:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wright?currentPage=all

Just got my New Yorker in the mail today. Really looking forward to reading this. The article is getting crazy hype.

Byrnzie

They once collared me on the street in Brighton, England, and I went along with it for a couple of weeks. They got me to fill out a form and then persuaded me to go along to one of their seminars. After that, and after having read about 100 pages of the book by L. Ron Hubbard, I decided it was all a load of bollocks and so didn't want anything more to do with it. But they kept phnoning me, trying to get me to go back. They were still calling me about a year later.

Byrnzie

kl277374 wrote:

The most interesting thing about it is that it began as a bet between L. Ron Hubbard and Philip K. Dick (Minority Report, among others). Or so I've heard. They were both writing students and they bet each other as to who could start a religion first.
Urban legend? Maybe. But it's just too ridiculous to be less than skeptical. Kind of seems like the bet is a feasible explanation.

Philip K. Dick was one crazy dude (or was he?). I need to learn more about him.

BBC Arena Documentary here:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJehaCfn ... 2E92B08279
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhUXP_gL ... re=related
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhg3GYtC ... re=related
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYpuDLHI ... re=related
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_UR4m0- ... re=related
Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKcpNJHa ... re=related

pickupyourwill

So, I just read a little. I don't have the time right now. But I couldn't help thinking...my, what a lot of weird stuff in their father Hubbard's cupboard, eh? lol

Godfather.

L. Ron Hubbard = Timothy Leary ?...turn on tune out

Godfather.